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Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/22/2008 5:36:03 PM   
RayKinStL

 

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Status: offline 		With the way the game does entire phases turn based, is there a way to request an alliance, create the alliance, request access from said ally, and be granted access all in the same month. I thought I remember being able to do this in F2F games, but since it has to resolve the whole diplomacy phase in one go, and I can't request access until someone is an ally, I don't see a way I can do this. Am I missing anything, or do I simply have to create the alliance in one month and request access in the next?

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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/22/2008 5:55:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you have that right. It can't be done all in one month. This is a change from the board game. It was done for speed in PBEM games.

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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/22/2008 6:33:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RayKinStL

With the way the game does entire phases turn based, is there a way to request an alliance, create the alliance, request access from said ally, and be granted access all in the same month. I thought I remember being able to do this in F2F games, but since it has to resolve the whole diplomacy phase in one go, and I can't request access until someone is an ally, I don't see a way I can do this. Am I missing anything, or do I simply have to create the alliance in one month and request access in the next?

Ray


As far as i remember, i think 1.02 had a fix, where you dont need to request access, but your ally needs to check his allow access box.
Then its checked after each nations reinforcement phase if access is allowed and to who.
So its important for your new ally to check the box in his reinforcement phase, or the access wont get allowed before, request access, or his next reinforcement phase (with the box checked) happens.

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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/22/2008 6:35:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		That seems like a bad thing.  I could think up many scenarios where it would be beneficial to ally simply to get access because you see a major weakness.  But the fact that you have to wait a month could alert someone to a possible weakness.

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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/22/2008 7:18:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RayKinStL

That seems like a bad thing.  I could think up many scenarios where it would be beneficial to ally simply to get access because you see a major weakness.  But the fact that you have to wait a month could alert someone to a possible weakness.


Ray im 90% certain, "would need a test to be fully" that by check "allow access" in reinforcement phase grants access same month Atleast i seen it work so before on 1.02.

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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/25/2008 1:23:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bresh


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ORIGINAL: RayKinStL

That seems like a bad thing.  I could think up many scenarios where it would be beneficial to ally simply to get access because you see a major weakness.  But the fact that you have to wait a month could alert someone to a possible weakness.


Ray im 90% certain, "would need a test to be fully" that by check "allow access" in reinforcement phase grants access same month Atleast i seen it work so before on 1.02.

Regards
Bresh


This should be the way it was changed to allow access and alliances int he same month in 1.02. Let me know if you see differently.



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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/25/2008 5:53:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		It looks good Marshall.  I did not realize it was possible to request access in the reinforcement force.  Slightly counter-intuitive, but I understand why it had to be done this way, given the turn-based nature of the game, and people not being in the same room.

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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/25/2008 12:04:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that this was a little counter intuitive but this was the best way to do this without adding another phase (Diplomatic Reaction) phase to the game thus slowing the pace a bit.


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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/25/2008 1:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		In actual fact you can grant access in any phase, even the naval or land phase -- just tick the "grant access to" button on the diplomatic reactions screen and your ally is in (provided they move after you grant them access).

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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/25/2008 1:47:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: delatbabel

In actual fact you can grant access in any phase, even the naval or land phase -- just tick the "grant access to" button on the diplomatic reactions screen and your ally is in (provided they move after you grant them access).



Not quite.
You can check the box each phase yes.
But for my experience, its only granted by request (in diplomacy phase, only needed for playing with AI), while the rest checks allow access to their ally in reinforcement step and it then takes effect when their phase is submitted. You can actually follow this by examining nations.
I know in one game i didnt check till naval, and the access was not granted before next month.
While my ally granted in his reinforcement phase, and gave me access the same month.

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Bresh

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RE: Diplomacy Phase Question - 8/25/2008 10:06:30 PM   
Marshall Ellis


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Status: offline 		Hey guys:

I changed for 1.04 where checking the box will request and/or accep AND you can also grant access in the same diplomacy phase.


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