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Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 11:35:37 AM   
Minedog

 

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Status: offline 		OK, how does this work? 11 Zeros sent, 16 shot down, and 17 scored as losses for VP. So 150% VP of the actual loss. I know plots over claim, but that is counted for VP?


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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ASW attack at 62,80

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 6
PC Ch 5
PC Ch 4

Allied Ships
SS Greenling

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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 24
Kittyhawk I x 27
Hudson I x 55
P-400 Airacobra x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 41
A-20B Boston x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 16 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 7 destroyed
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-400 Airacobra: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
A-20B Boston: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
216 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 89

Aircraft Attacking:
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RE: Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 12:03:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		looks like a bug, I think 6 zero's where destroyed on the ground instead of in the air. Most likely some variant of the the replay bug....

< Message edited by wild_Willie2 -- 9/5/2008 12:04:27 PM >

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RE: Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 12:31:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Air combat sometimes sucks in planes from other hexes during the combat, and sometimes planes still on the ground are added in to the combat. These additions are not listed on the report. Sometimes you will see plane types shot down that werent even reported in the combat.

It isnt "really" a bug, its part of the FoW (or so I am told).

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RE: Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 12:35:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

looks like a bug, I think 6 zero's where destroyed on the ground instead of in the air. Most likely some variant of the the replay bug....


I don't see how, the Zeros were on long range CAP, and this was the only combat.

This isn't the first time either, I've lost 4 zeros out of 3, and I think 18 Zeros out of 17. This is just the most extreme thus far encountered.

Scenario is stock South Pacific.. nothing different

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RE: Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 12:40:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Air combat sometimes sucks in planes from other hexes during the combat, and sometimes planes still on the ground are added in to the combat. These additions are not listed on the report. Sometimes you will see plane types shot down that werent even reported in the combat.

It isnt "really" a bug, its part of the FoW (or so I am told).


If that were true then I should be down by 17 Zeros, but I had two squadrons of this type within range, one went from 27 to 22 (and 23 pilots) and one went from 15 to 9.. 5 + 6 = 11 Zeros missing.


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RE: Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 5:27:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I assume you checked the air losses detail to make sure some recon plane or patrol plane wasn't lost to a2a?

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RE: Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 6:51:56 PM   
Minedog

 

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

I assume you checked the air losses detail to make sure some recon plane or patrol plane wasn't lost to a2a?


as far as I could. You can see the entire combat report with the exception of the bombing altitudes.
The attack was on Lae, which has no aircraft left on it, and the Long Range CAP was from Rabaul.

Between the plane type, the limited map area and the ranges involved, it is pretty easy to isolate the units involved.

I have one other squadron of Jakes in combat, flying recon missions, but it is at full complement of 9.
Just no connection between actual losses and listed losses for VP that I can see.

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RE: Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 7:43:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the score board (that you posted above) click on the top right button that says 'Aircraft Losses'. Then sort the column that is today's losses and you will see all the losses. Those will match up to the amounts in the scoreboard and answer all your questions.

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RE: Aircraft losses and VP - 9/5/2008 11:44:22 PM   
Minedog

 

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

On the score board (that you posted above) click on the top right button that says 'Aircraft Losses'. Then sort the column that is today's losses and you will see all the losses. Those will match up to the amounts in the scoreboard and answer all your questions.


According to the report, 16 Zeros and a Jake. No problems with the Jake, but still wondering about the 16 Zeros out of 11.




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