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Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/4/2008 11:46:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do the new torpedo supply/resupply rules apply for both ships/subs/PT's & aircraft?

How will float planes that carried torpedoes and the ships that carried them be handled, such as the I-400 class subs (sub carrier SVL or SVD ) & M6A1 Seian Float Planes?

How will CS, AS, AD, or AV's effect the supply/resupply of torpedoes?

If I base a CS, AV, or AVD at an undeveloped atoll, will float planes still be resupplied with torpedoes?


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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 2:14:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ships is unchanged. You need a large port or tenders to replace your torps.

Aircraft have torp loads built into the ships that carry them and HQs from land bases.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 5:24:29 AM   
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Ships is unchanged. You need a large port or tenders to replace your torps.

Aircraft have torp loads built into the ships that carry them and HQs from land bases.


So ships like a CS and subs like the I400 will have torpedo loadouts for float planes that carry torpedoes?

Will AV's provide torpedoes for float planes based at an undeveloped atoll?


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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 6:43:35 AM   
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Ships is unchanged. You need a large port or tenders to replace your torps.

Aircraft have torp loads built into the ships that carry them and HQs from land bases.


So ships like a CS and subs like the I400 will have torpedo loadouts for float planes that carry torpedoes?

Will AV's provide torpedoes for float planes based at an undeveloped atoll?



CS and subs do not have planes capable of carrying torps, so no, they do not. AVs do have torp loadouts for the planes that use them.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 8:52:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Will PT,AS tenders and other tenders that have torpedo availability will have a torpedo load like carriers or availability is driven from base supply like for land based aircrafts?

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 9:05:36 AM   
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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 9:09:17 AM   
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Will PT,AS tenders and other tenders that have torpedo availability will have a torpedo load like carriers or availability is driven from base supply like for land based aircrafts?


Well land based aircraft need a HQ with a torp capacity now but no, tenders just need supply. There is no loadout on tenders.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 9:29:16 AM   
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Ships is unchanged. You need a large port or tenders to replace your torps.

Aircraft have torp loads built into the ships that carry them and HQs from land bases.


So ships like a CS and subs like the I400 will have torpedo loadouts for float planes that carry torpedoes?

Will AV's provide torpedoes for float planes based at an undeveloped atoll?



CS and subs do not have planes capable of carrying torps, so no, they do not. AVs do have torp loadouts for the planes that use them.


Oh? So the M6A Seiran is no longer capable of launching torpedoes?

They were the only reason I ever considered converting the Ises.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 2:50:06 PM   
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Ships is unchanged. You need a large port or tenders to replace your torps.

Aircraft have torp loads built into the ships that carry them and HQs from land bases.


So ships like a CS and subs like the I400 will have torpedo loadouts for float planes that carry torpedoes?

Will AV's provide torpedoes for float planes based at an undeveloped atoll?



CS and subs do not have planes capable of carrying torps, so no, they do not. AVs do have torp loadouts for the planes that use them.


Oh? So the M6A Seiran is no longer capable of launching torpedoes?

They were the only reason I ever considered converting the Ises.



At least in stock and a couple of mods, the Ise and Hyuga conversions never carried any Seiran bombers.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 3:04:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		In AE, the I-400s carry Glens. At least when you click on them in the reinforcement track in Dec 41. Maybe they upgrade later when the plane is available, but regardless. The I-400 has no torp loadout for its aircraft therefore they cant carry torps on strikes.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 3:47:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ships is unchanged. You need a large port or tenders to replace your torps.

Aircraft have torp loads built into the ships that carry them and HQs from land bases.


So ships like a CS and subs like the I400 will have torpedo loadouts for float planes that carry torpedoes?

Will AV's provide torpedoes for float planes based at an undeveloped atoll?



CS and subs do not have planes capable of carrying torps, so no, they do not. AVs do have torp loadouts for the planes that use them.


Oh? So the M6A Seiran is no longer capable of launching torpedoes?

They were the only reason I ever considered converting the Ises.



At least in stock and a couple of mods, the Ise and Hyuga conversions never carried any Seiran bombers.


Not by default, but most floatplanes can upgrade to the M6A - atleast in CHS.


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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

In AE, the I-400s carry Glens. At least when you click on them in the reinforcement track in Dec 41. Maybe they upgrade later when the plane is available, but regardless. The I-400 has no torp loadout for its aircraft therefore they cant carry torps on strikes.


Is it possible to add the torpedoes to them through the editor? While I tend not to build these, they were historically intended to launch torpedo armed aircraft and thus should have that capability.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 4:31:05 PM   
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Ships is unchanged. You need a large port or tenders to replace your torps.

Aircraft have torp loads built into the ships that carry them and HQs from land bases.


So ships like a CS and subs like the I400 will have torpedo loadouts for float planes that carry torpedoes?

Will AV's provide torpedoes for float planes based at an undeveloped atoll?



CS and subs do not have planes capable of carrying torps, so no, they do not. AVs do have torp loadouts for the planes that use them.


If the M6A1 Seiram is in the database (the plane was designed for the I-400 subs), there needs to be some allowance for the ships and subs that would/could carry them!

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 5:15:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Someone that knows something about the editor is going to have to answer that question. My best guess is no, there isnt a spot in the SS database for it. But I'd be about 80% certain I am wrong on that also

Like I said, I know nothing about the editor. Never played with it.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 5:22:48 PM   
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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 5:41:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ive read that the standard loadout for the I-400s was 4 torpedoes, 3 800kg bombs, and 12 250kg bombs.

The attack on Panal Canal called for a strike with 6 torpedoes and 4 bombs.

The kamikaze attack on the american forces at Ulithi in '45 was to use the 800kg bombs.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 6:03:50 PM   
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Ive read that the standard loadout for the I-400s was 4 torpedoes, 3 800kg bombs, and 12 250kg bombs.




I find this really surprising - was the thing the size of a B-17?

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/5/2008 6:56:27 PM   
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Ive read that the standard loadout for the I-400s was 4 torpedoes, 3 800kg bombs, and 12 250kg bombs.




I find this really surprising - was the thing the size of a B-17?


Thats for the subs, not the planes. The M6A could at most carry either a single torpedo or a single 800kg bomb..

Considering the I-400s were meant to carry three A6Ms, thats at most 1 torpedo sortie, and 5 bomb sorties with 1 equipped with 800kgs. If the planes survive that long.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 7:13:35 AM   
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Ive read that the standard loadout for the I-400s was 4 torpedoes, 3 800kg bombs, and 12 250kg bombs.




I find this really surprising - was the thing the size of a B-17?



I guess a I-400 submarine was quite a bit bigger than a B-17. Didn´t have the wingspan though! You weren´t thinking that the float plane was designed to carry that loadout, were you?

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 12:18:58 PM   
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Ive read that the standard loadout for the I-400s was 4 torpedoes, 3 800kg bombs, and 12 250kg bombs.




I find this really surprising - was the thing the size of a B-17?



I guess a I-400 submarine was quite a bit bigger than a B-17. Didn´t have the wingspan though! You weren´t thinking that the float plane was designed to carry that loadout, were you?


The I-400s were larger than most destroyers, so Im pretty sure he thought I said plane could carry all that - I wish.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 2:50:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		In AE, is there a possibility to force planes to carry bombs instead of torpedoes?
For example, i want to launch a raid on an ennemy surface TF but because of a high
expected flak fire (at 200feet), i prefer to attack at high altitude with betty with bombs!!

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 3:27:28 PM   
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In AE, is there a possibility to force planes to carry bombs instead of torpedoes?
For example, i want to launch a raid on an ennemy surface TF but because of a high
expected flak fire (at 200feet), i prefer to attack at high altitude with betty with bombs!!


Yes, this is possible. It is your choice to use bombs instead of torpedoes.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 8:38:23 PM   
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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 9:38:33 PM   
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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 9:54:49 PM   
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Thats for the subs, not the planes. The M6A could at most carry either a single torpedo or a single 800kg bomb..



only by removing the primary float.



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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 10:16:24 PM   
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Thats for the subs, not the planes. The M6A could at most carry either a single torpedo or a single 800kg bomb..



only by removing the primary float.




M6A did not have a centerline float like the A6M2-N - so all weapons were carried on centerline. Thus Im pretty sure it didnt need a modification to carry even the torpedoes or 800kg bombs.

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/6/2008 10:27:31 PM   
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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/7/2008 3:15:16 PM   
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M6A did not have a centerline float like the A6M2-N - so all weapons were carried on centerline. Thus Im pretty sure it didnt need a modification to carry even the torpedoes or 800kg bombs.


According to Peattie, it did. (removal of the float(s)). Not alot of info on the plane, so being forced to google , a consistancy that cropt up was that the plane was designed to be either recoverable, or ditched on mission completion (minus the floats). Armament is listed as 'either' a 250kg bomb, or an 800kg load. It would seem that the recoverable loadout would be with the smaller bomb load while the latter would be sans float hence requiring sacrifice of the plane after mission completion. This would track with what Peattie wrote of the plane in his book "Sunburst" (on Japanese naval aviation)


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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/8/2008 5:51:49 AM   
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Armament is listed as 'either' a 250kg bomb, or an 800kg load. It would seem that the recoverable loadout would be with the smaller bomb load while the latter would be sans float hence requiring sacrifice of the plane after mission completion. This would track with what Peattie wrote of the plane in his book "Sunburst" (on Japanese naval aviation)


So the plane would drop the floats just after jumping from catapult?

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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/8/2008 6:28:09 AM   
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RE: Torpedo supply/resupply - 10/8/2008 2:47:48 PM   
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I doubt the floats would be attached. They arent needed for takeoff.


One of the websites i looked at indicated that they wern't if catapulting.



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