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The Map - 2/28/2009 12:16:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here we are the day before landing. We are coming ashore without have had a single ship hit in any manner!






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D-1 - 2/28/2009 12:37:06 AM   
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March 17, 1942

I said in an email I sent to the players that I am a fickle player when it comes to the weather.  When this day dawned it immediately told us the Air Ops had been canceled for the FOURTH straight day at Rangoon and CV Operations were canceled for the second day in a row.  At first I was very pissed...

The plan had been to hit Madras for the day.  Prior to the 17th it had shown a standard of about 20-25 fighters and that was it.  With the CVs unable to launch, a Mavis did recon over the target and found over 60 Fighters (mainly Hurricanes and P-40s) flying CAP.  Now I was THANKFUL to the weather Gods for having the bad weather.  Fickle as I said before...

The Landing shall occur tomorrow and we shall see what the endeavor brings Japan.

India
Diamond Harbor
We did have a major strike fly this day.  Magwe sent a force of 75 Zero, 15 Oscars, and 100 Sally/Helen to attack the AF.  The strike was met by 20 Hurricanes on CAP.  For a cost of 7 Zero, 2 Oscar, and 1 Bomber we shot down 15 Fighters and did very minor damage to the AF.  NOT a good exchange if you ask me!

B-17s!!!
I KNEW these planes were present in India.  We hadn't seen a B-17 for over 2 months until this day.  They flew from Madras in an impressive number of 41 B-17 (in 2 models) and 13 Brit Bombers against the leading edge of the Invasion Fleet.  Brad had 14 Zero on CAP flying from Hosho and Taiyo.  We lost 3 Zero for 1 B-17 and 2 Wellington with another 15 bombers damaged.  NO HITS SCORED!

New Zealand
Auckland
A combined strike of 32 Zero, 27 Kate, and 40 Betty attacked this city for the first time.  There was no aerial resistance and we got porr results from the attack.  The strike did reveal 7 Units present. 

There are 4 at Wellington so we shall give Wellington a crack.  If we cannot grab the North Island then will will pull back, load troops, and redeploy.  This attack has always been done on a Shoestring and was not be too serious.

SE PAC
Savaii
AF went to 3 this day and it got some Zero and Betty to begin attacks on Pago Pago.

Pago Pago
Target will be bombarded tomorrow and then invaded within 3 days by the 56th Inf Div.

KB
The KB finished refueling between NZ and Australia.  It will no move slowly towards Sydney to see if it can catch anything without undue risk.


EDIT: WOW! This is my 3,000th Post on the Forum.


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RE: D-1 - 2/28/2009 12:50:47 AM   
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There was no aerial resistance and we got poor results from the attack.


Recon....Recon
How many Recon LBA do you have in Nz?? Got to get that detection level (DL) up to get good hits on the AFs.

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RE: D-1 - 2/28/2009 12:54:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have two Chutai of Mavis/Emily present.  This is a good note.  I will move some Dinah (long trip) down to NZ.



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The Leader Board - 2/28/2009 1:01:47 AM   
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RE: D-1 - 2/28/2009 1:04:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		All us "old" WitP players will need to get use to doing Recon every day from my readings of AE. If not, you will not know what is out there. 

As an AFB, I would love to have about 10 Chutai (3 planes each) of Dinah to play with.

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RE: D-1 - 2/28/2009 1:06:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed!  NO MORE MAGIC CURSOR!  Thank goodness...

Should you be working on a Mod or something useful?? 



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RE: D-1 - 2/28/2009 2:04:39 PM   
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March 18th

Today was D-Day at Vizingapatam, at least for the lead elements; 3 divisions, plus tanks and artillery. We had sighted 4 units there a while ago, and that made me a little nervous. But more on that...

Vizingapatam

One of the reasons we picked Viz is because it's at least 5 hexes away from any serious airbase; this means any air attacks are going to be unescorted, and not include torpedo planes.

We had a CAP of 40 Zeros over the beachhead, provided by the nearby carriers (Car Div 2 and Baby KB), against several attacks by B-17Es and IL-4s. For the day we brought down 7 bombers, and they inflicted 1 bomb hit on a transport (which is now empty). Another transport hit a Dutch mine.

Bad weather grounded the bombers at Magwe, but they are set to bombard Calcutta, where those B-17s took off from.

We now have precise intel on what's there: Rawalpindi District Brigade, 2 artillery units, and a base force. Not much in other words. We will unload more tommorow, and attack the next day. Once that happens, we can move to Phase 2: Conquest of India!

Pago Pago

A BC force bombarded the base, to take a chunk out of the CD guns. 56th Division should come ashore in 2 days. We suspect there is a Marine Def Bn, and a base force, so it should go fairly smoothly.

New Zealand

John's "raid" at Gisbourne, with basically just South Seas and a couple SNLF, appears to be seriously freaking them out. SS Det is closing on Wellington, driving a Cav Bde back in the process. I have no idea if North Island is takeable, John and I would love feedback. Once Pago Pago falls, would 56th Div seal the deal?



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RE: D-1 - 2/28/2009 4:18:00 PM   
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To strengthen the LR CAP over Viza, Adm Yamaguchi closes the town by 60 miles, rotates his LR CAP CVs and shifts the ground attack assignments to the smaller CVs so they can get some needed experience.

On the eastern side of Australia, Adm Nagumo slowly closes Australia looking for enemy shipping...

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D+1 - 3/1/2009 1:58:58 AM   
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This day brings a bit more of give-and-take but looks to be another solid day for the Empire.

India
Viza
The landing truly gets rolling the defenders are faced with aerial and naval bombardment attacks.  Three Japanese TF hit the area off the beaches inflicting decent casualties.  Mines are bit more of the problem as 3 AP and 1 AK get hit by single mines during landing operations.  The capture of the base will be tomorrow.

Bay of Bengal
A group of 6 PTs hit a small convoy of 2 MSW and 2 AK and manages to put 1 Torp into an AK.

Only one major air raid occurs in the afternoon and the Allies do draw important blood.  Eight Zero try to stave off an attack by 17 Brit Bombers and 10 B-17 flying out of Madras.  They get through the weak CAP and (on the last bombing pass) manage to plant a 500lb bomb on little Hosho.  Luckily the CVE isn't too badly hurt and should easily get to Port Blair.

Diamond Harbor
A large Japanese strike of 93 Zero and 144 Betty fight their way through 18 Hurricanes.  The strike does terribly little to the AF and the Japanese lose 6 Zero and a Betty for 14 Hurricanes.  Not a very good exchange.

Royal Navy LEAVING??
Ro-34 is on the shipping lane at the edge of our map.  It is attacked by 5 first-rate Brit DDs due west of Sabang, Sumatra.  Does this mean that the Allies are totally ceding the IO to Japan?  It might be a serious possiblity.

I write to Brad that I had better think about bring the reinforced CarDiv2 over the NZ quickly if that is the case.  We shall have to see...

New Zealand
Wellington
The town is hit by 17 Zero and 38 Betty destroying one Hudson on the ground.

Hamilton
I have 3 units approaching this town to see if we can split the island in half.

SoPac
Pago Pago
In an idiot move, I forget to tell the 56th ID to 'not land.'  I had intended to transfer a CL and CA to the Invasion Froce PRIOR to landing.  This did not happen and the troops stormed ashore in the face of 700 CD shots!  Will certainly lose a few MSW and a couple of AK/AP.  Thought I had given the order to wait but screwed up.  Regardless, the 56th get a 2-1 on the assault and driops Forts from 3 to 1.  Will have the atoll tomorrow and get some new POWs.

China
If one can believe it, the Chinese are ATTACKING throughout Central and Southern China!  Nanchang and Kuik(??) have 8 units each attacking them and Canton has 13 investing it.  Cannot help but think this could be an opportunity for a big land victory.  Have an idea germinating to draw the Chinese further east and then fall on them on both flanks.  Will post that thought with a screenshot later.


Thoughts
1.  CarDuv2 will remain near Viza until the AF can take care of itself and then retire for fueling.  Am thinking about hitting Trincomalee on the way out yo finish off the 4-8 damaged ships that are still present.  There are hardly any fighters protecting the base now.

2.  We have 3 Inf Brigades in China ready to lift out for deployment.  I'm thinking of taking one to NZ and leave two somewhere central to act as a response force to any early Allied counter attack.

3.  The 3rd Inf Brig and 56th ID will TRY to finish off the North Island of New Zealand.  I give it about a 50-50 chance of success.  Regardless it shoudl force the Allies to start fighting down there instead of elsewhere.  In theory at least...

4.  India should be fun to watch.  Brad has total control of Burma and India and I hope to watch some magic occur!

5.  What are they doing in China???



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RE: D+1 - 3/1/2009 3:14:29 PM   
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John and I have some major strategic moves we need to make, now that we have accomplished two objectives this month. The major one is getting a large land army ashore in India; the secondary one was taking Pago Pago. We're still rolling, but have some decisions to make.

Vizingapatam

This base fell to an attack on the first try. We have 7 Divisions now unloaded or finishing unloading at Viz, along with 4 tank rgts, 2 Army HQs, 4 SNLF units, 4 Eng Rgts, base forces, construction units, artillery.....pretty much everything we could haul.

There were major PT and air attacks this turn at the base. We sank a dozen PT's in exchange for a couple PGs, and shot down 20 Blenheims and IL-4s for a couple bomb hits. Overall, we have yet to lose a transport on this landing, and though we have lost more Zeros than I would like, we have also really put a hurt on the RAF. I don't see how this landing could have gone better, other than catching more of the RN in port on the Trincomalee raid.

Pago Pago

I didn't look at the shipping losses here; not extreme, but we lost a few. The good news is the base fell today, resulting in 5000 US POWs.

Next Steps: The Fleet

John and I need to exchange ideas, and I agree with one thing: We figure it to heat up in the Pacific. We think the RN has moved ships to Australia, and they are probably itchin' to get back at us to take pressure off India.

John and I need to figure out a division of forces, but Car Div 2 (plus the 2 Zuihos) should be moved to the Pacific. That leaves Ryujo, Junyos, and CVEs; they would be useful in the IO in the short-term to cover supplise to Viz, we may want to organize a landing on Addu Atoll. Once we have the Southern tip of India though, not sure we even need those CV's. In terms of surface ships, in India we need DDs to keep PT's away, and probably a force to CAs to bombard land targets, but most modern DDs and CLs can be moved to the Pacific. Either way, most of the IJN Fleet needs to be moved to the Pacific.

We do need Bettys/Nells in India, as well as Timor/Northern Oz to keep the Allies at bay there, if we have no fleet. More of the IJN air units are in the Pacific as our rapid reaction force. I advocate we take these valuable units off any Land attacks, and have them all on the lookout for enemy ships.

As a side note, we had concentrated a ton of shipping in the IO to move the IJA. We need to send transports back to the Home Islands to move reinforcements, and we are also short of fuel in many places. Most of the oil stockpiles are now loaded up and in or heading to Japan, so I have ordered all TKs in the SRA to move to Japan to get fuel, rather than wait for Oil to stock up. We'll get it later. We need fuel now. There isn't a drop in the SRA south of Soerbaya, and Truk is almost dry. Port Blair soon will be, along with Singapore. This is about to be a big problem.

Next Steps: India

I am looking for advice here, but the obvious is a drive toward the line of the Ganges to take Calcutta, and cut off the troops in Burma from supply sources. This is priority #1. Concurrently, we are going to send a division to Madras to lay siege or chase the units out, as well as some tanks and another division to drive toward Bombay and cut off Southern India. I want to force them to either evacuate everyone toward Karachi, or having them cut off.

They have alot of troops in Burma, mostly Chinese, way more that we could ever dislodge head-on. By cutting them from India, they will slowly starve, or at least be unable to attack.


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IO map with Vizagatapan OURS! - 3/1/2009 3:25:11 PM   
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RE: IO map with Vizagatapan OURS! - 3/1/2009 3:29:27 PM   
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Kiwi's and Hobbits! - 3/1/2009 3:44:18 PM   
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RE: IO map with Vizagatapan OURS! - 3/1/2009 3:49:13 PM   
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SoPac
Pago Pago
In an idiot move, I forget to tell the 56th ID to 'not land.' I had intended to transfer a CL and CA to the Invasion Froce PRIOR to landing. This did not happen and the troops stormed ashore in the face of 700 CD shots! Will certainly lose a few MSW and a couple of AK/AP. Thought I had given the order to wait but screwed up. Regardless, the 56th get a 2-1 on the assault and driops Forts from 3 to 1. Will have the atoll tomorrow and get some new POWs.


There seems to be a "feature" that if you move a transport TF with troops aboard, set to not unload, to an enemy held hex and you have no ground units there, the TF will start unloading anyway. Note that it will not continue to unload the next turn unless you tell it to.

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SE PAC - 3/1/2009 3:52:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nomad--THANKS--I was unaware of this until a couple of turns ago. So I DID have it set to not unload but it did so anyway due to the AI? That at least makes me feel better.

Last Screenshot---Here are the ships disbanded in PP Port:






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RE: D+1 - 3/1/2009 5:32:16 PM   
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They have alot of troops in Burma, mostly Chinese, way more that we could ever dislodge head-on. By cutting them from India, they will slowly starve, or at least be unable to attack.


Now that your invasion of India has started, have you noticed if the Allies are trying to airlift units out of Burma into India?

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RE: D+2 - 3/1/2009 7:56:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't noticed any changes.  We could find out pretty quick by placing LR CAP over Lashio and Mandalay.  Brad--what do you think of that?  Even Oscars would work and we would know inside a day if they are trying that.



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RE: D+2 - 3/1/2009 8:03:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Haven't noticed, but that is a terrific idea that we will be implementing. We definitly know they airlifted units from China to Burma; we destroyed a number of transport planes on the ground

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Central China Crisis - 3/1/2009 9:47:28 PM   
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RE: Central China Crisis - 3/1/2009 9:57:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is an interesting idea, and could work....sort of like Cannae, right? Lure in the center and close the trap on both flanks. You'll have some troops soon because Pucheng looks like it will crack in a few days.

I think the most important thing in China is to destroy the Resources and HI. We need to kill off their supply sources there.

I am going to post a screenshot of India with some other comments

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RE: Central China Crisis - 3/1/2009 9:59:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Attached is a map with the initial plan for India. Alot depends on what the Allies do: Will they stand and fight for Madras and Northeast India? Or will they do a fighting withdrawl toward Karachi?

I am betting on the latter, so the most important early moves are to the west and North.




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RE: Central China Crisis - 3/2/2009 1:12:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		That---Ladies and Gentlemen--is Brad's first EVER Screenshot!  Well Done Sir!

The thoughts for India sound good to be.  I concur regarding the Cannae-like thought in Central China.



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IO, IO, it off to work IO... - 3/2/2009 2:29:34 AM   
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RE: IO, IO, it off to work IO... - 3/2/2009 5:02:15 AM   
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The Allies POUNDED Viz with all they had this turn; B-17s, Martins, Blenheims, etc. They did a number on the fighters there, but the airbase still went up almost 50% in one day in levels, with so many troops there. We are starting to spread out. They want to stop us from getting a bomber base, and it will work momentarily, but in the end we will get what we need. It appears they intend to defend the south, we will try to cut those forces off.

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RE: Central China Crisis - 3/2/2009 12:10:06 PM   
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That is an interesting idea, and could work....sort of like Cannae, right? Lure in the center and close the trap on both flanks. You'll have some troops soon because Pucheng looks like it will crack in a few days.


Having taken Pucheng myself a few days ago, I wouldn't count on having the troops there available immediately. All the ways out are trails so you'll need some weeks before they are on a road again. They also will have lots of fatigue accumulated.

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RE: Central China Crisis - 3/2/2009 3:13:43 PM   
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India

This is a quick report that I am sure John will add to from his side of the map, but I wanted to update the action in India, because there is some.

The Allies are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Vizingapatam; 15 B-17s, 51 Blenheims,7 Wellingtons,21 IL-4s,9 Martins, all from Madras. They destroyed 15 aircraft on the ground, and are roughing up the air units. But there are so many units at Viz that the airbase built up past Size-2 today, so we flew in more Zeros (HR on airplane limits). Hopefully we can fend them off.

On the ground, there are 6 units digging in at Cuttack, and 6 more digging in at the riverline to the south of Viz. The door is wide open to Raipur though, so I am sending 3 divisions and troops that way, toward open country; if we can't force them out of those river lines, we can outflank them.

Someone posted a suggestion before about interdicting transport aircraft; sure enough, we intercepted C-60 Lodestars at Mandalay. Great idea whoever suggested that!



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RE: Central China Crisis - 3/2/2009 3:43:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any idea what's across the river at Cuttack?  Is it a cobbled-together, weak force?  Do you have enough information, and enough "oomph" in your force, to cross?  Or are you relying on the flanking movement?  I understand trepidation about river crossings against a strong force, but at the same time they can buy time by persuading you to flank.  Tough decisions!  But you guys have come ashore in great shape and it's going to be a nervous few months for the Allies.

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RE: Central China Crisis - 3/2/2009 6:12:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dan, good questions. I am sending 2 divisions, an Army HQ, and tanks straight toward Cuttack as well. We have enough to drive multiple prongs. The only half-hearted effort is directly at Madras, but they will eventually have to commit to an evacuation or seige there.

There are Sea Gladiators at Hyderabad. I had commented before when they were at Madras that HMS Hermes had to be at Madras, or her airgroup. Japanese Intelligence is fairly certain that Hermes is not at Hyderabad. If they took those fighters off, what did they do with Hermes? Put more Swordfish on board?

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RE: Central China Crisis - 3/2/2009 7:52:08 PM   
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That is an interesting idea, and could work....sort of like Cannae, right? Lure in the center and close the trap on both flanks. You'll have some troops soon because Pucheng looks like it will crack in a few days.


Having taken Pucheng myself a few days ago, I wouldn't count on having the troops there available immediately. All the ways out are trails so you'll need some weeks before they are on a road again. They also will have lots of fatigue accumulated.



I get so frustrated with the slow rate of movement there! Hopefully the town will fall by the end of the month.


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