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Engineers... - 1/23/2009 12:41:31 AM   
Pzt_Serk


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Status: offline 		Let's hope it is not too late for the next patch but...

Are the engineers in War supposed to represent close assault specialists?? If so I think they should include, with the explosives, a flame thrower and more SMGs or even a light MG 42 or BAR, as seen in many historical CCV mods.

As they are now, they are more or less a basic rifle team with an extra bomb. Not really a team designed to storm ennemy positions...

Any thoughts about this?

Cheers,

Serk
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RE: Engineers... - 1/23/2009 12:59:38 AM   
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they are a weak BG involved in roadworks etc.

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RE: Engineers... - 1/23/2009 3:50:47 AM   
TheReal_Pak40

 

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Status: offline 		I found this gem on google. Go down to page 22. It has a pretty detailed equipment and personnel list. I don't see any mention of BARs and there are very few smgs in an combat engineer company. No mention of flame throwers either.

http://books.google.com/books?id=POSRqpmFLu8C&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=%22combat+engineer+battalion%22+world+war+2+composition&source=bl&ots=2l0gLxf9BZ&sig=yCKJv6b1j22RQmNhKy2eiyfU-Vs&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA22,M1

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RE: Engineers... - 1/23/2009 4:10:45 AM   
Pzt_Serk


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the link,

I meant more like assault engineers to attack bunkers and the like. I know Germans had this kind of team (Sturmpionier) but I don't know for the US, maybe they simply had some ad-hoc assault team, who knows...

Here is a nice link for german Sturmpionier composition and tactics:http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/engassault/index.html

cheers,

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RE: Engineers... - 1/24/2009 1:30:16 PM   
[GD]Vernichter


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ORIGINAL: Andrew Williams

No

they are a weak BG involved in roadworks etc.



That may be true for the american engineer BG, but I think Serks problem were the actual engineer teams in your forcepool.
I cannot speak for the american side, but the german PzPioniere should be more like the Sturmpioniere in CC V (even in the vanilla version they had many SMGs and a flamethrower). Just take a look at the link Serk provided. The germans are in the offensive, I think that the german pioneer teams should definitly resemble Sturmpionier assault teams!

But i have another problem with my pioneers, it seems that they are to dumb to be trusted with high explosives! They seem to throw the dynamite exactly in the direction they are running or at enemies who are too close for a non-suicidal use of explosives. It happened at least three times in the GC im currently playing and took out roughly half of the team. Are they supposed to be suicide bombers?

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RE: Engineers... - 1/24/2009 3:47:49 PM   
UltraGott


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Status: offline 		don´t forget the lack of half automatic weapons (G43).
Its not comprehensible for me, that there are so few soldiers being equipped with that rifle while having the order to push the allies back to the channel. marching with Kingtigers, Heavy Tankdestroyers and other fine german equippment and the G43 does appear only with FJ snipers? that´s quite questionable, isn´t it?

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RE: Engineers... - 1/24/2009 7:17:19 PM   
TheReal_Pak40

 

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ORIGINAL: Pzt_Serk

Thanks for the link,

I meant more like assault engineers to attack bunkers and the like. I know Germans had this kind of team (Sturmpionier) but I don't know for the US, maybe they simply had some ad-hoc assault team, who knows...

Here is a nice link for german Sturmpionier composition and tactics:http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/engassault/index.html


For the U.S. I think it was more of an Ad-hoc unit within regular infantry/airborne. Every U.S. division had a combat engineer battalion and they were primarily defensive in nature when used in combat. These will be the engineers you see in WaR. Only the airborne eng bat had flame throwers as far as I can tell so maybe they had more of an offensive role against fortified positions.

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RE: Engineers... - 1/24/2009 7:33:34 PM   
Pzt_Serk


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Status: offline 		So in the end, replace all pioniers teams for germans to sturmpionieres and add some assault team for US AB and leave the normal US engineers as they are and we got a deal?

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