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RE: Aden Look - 2/5/2009 5:40:39 PM

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I think there is some confusion on the part of those of us that are on the outside looking in as far as drop tanks. We know that you have the option to use them or not but why? If using drop tnaks does not affect performance, fatigue, or any other factor other than increasing range, why would you not use them. Have I missed something here?

If players goes drop-tank crazy, they will not only eat up supply, but they will push pilots and machines closer to the limits. If you're carrying drop tanks, you're typically flying farther and longer, accruing more fatigue for man and machine. As a consequence combat effectiveness will suffer, ops losses will be higher. Extended range is not a freebie. This is the design as I understand it, and testing continues.

Primary purpose for DTs is to extend range for Shorter range fighters to escort Longer range bombers.

Secondary purpose is to extend loiter time for CAP

Tertiary purpose is to Provided extended ferry ranges

In AE DTs do all three of these things though the 3rd purpose is an assumption as far as the code is concerned. In other words it just does it, you don't have to select DTs.

Flying longer distances or for longer periods increases pilot fatigue. It also increaes supply used in the form of AVGAS, and perishable Drop tanks. Assumptions here are that DTs are dropped priot to combat, thus the Supply/logistics piece of AE requires they be replaced.

The give and take here is obvious and simple...feel free to fly long range missions fx:

Fly your P-47s to Wewak, you can only do it with DTs
Fly your A6M2-21s to Guadalcanal, you'll only make it with DTs
Fly Sweeps over Singapore from indochina with you Oscars, but make sure you have DTs and plenty of supply!

Do these things, but watch your Air units for pilot fatigue, increased Ops losses, & A/C wear and tear.

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RE: Aden Look - 2/5/2009 5:54:40 PM

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Are DT's expended (i.e. not reused) when used for a ferry (base transfer) mission (in the game)?

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RE: Aden Look - 2/5/2009 6:35:13 PM

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Fly Sweeps over Rabaul from indochina with you Oscars, but make sure you have DTs and plenty of supply!
Do these things, but watch your Air units for pilot fatigue, increased Ops losses, & A/C wear and tear.

I hope this is a typo, because this would mean that with droptanks, they can fly halfway around the world .....

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RE: Aden Look - 2/5/2009 7:05:14 PM

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Fly Sweeps over Rabaul from indochina with you Oscars, but make sure you have DTs and plenty of supply!
Do these things, but watch your Air units for pilot fatigue, increased Ops losses, & A/C wear and tear.

I hope this is a typo, because this would mean that with droptanks, they can fly halfway around the world .....

typo...fixed

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RE: Aden Look - 2/5/2009 7:09:03 PM

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Are DT's expended (i.e. not reused) when used for a ferry (base transfer) mission (in the game)?

You read too much into this. There are droptanks in the code. They are in the database as devices, but when the code runs and A2A is performed there are no DTs that are tracked or even AVGAS going into the A/C. It is assumed to happen. A given. All that happend is the Supply burn while DTs are selected is doubled. Ferry missions are not subject to double supply as far as I know. In this case DTs would be retained.

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War Begins! - 2/5/2009 8:38:43 PM

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Ok the results from the first two days of war.

The Peral Harbour strike gives results a bit on the Low side, 1 BB and 1 DD sunk, but we get a fair few aircarft on the ground:

BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 2
AV Tangier
DM Breese
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 4, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 8, on fire
CM Oglala
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Selfridge, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1
PC Taney, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Strikes on the second day are also disapointing... ah well! ( In testing I have sunk between 0 and 6 BB's)

Nell Strikes on Singapore face a heavy CAP of Buffaloe... but get good lot of hits and a number of aircraft on the ground.

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 54

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 17 destroyed, 36 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 17 damaged
Buffalo I: 3 destroyed on ground
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed on ground
Hudson I: 1 destroyed on ground
Vildebeest III: 2 destroyed on ground
Catalina I: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 51

Invasion wise my troops land at Kota Bahru north as per the Japanese plan.

I land at Laog (rather than Batan Is).

I land at Sorong to protect my flank as I go into the DEI

Otherwise that is it! The "warpmode" invasions of everywhere just don't happen in AE (unless you modify the scenario).

I do have a large force moving into a DEI Target... they should land at the end of the next two day turn.

KB didn't use too many torpedoes (hence not so many ships sunk) so I don't HAVE to send her home (The closest base to rearm is in Japan, nowhere else can do it yet).

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 8:41:53 PM

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Rob any screenies please?

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 8:42:12 PM

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Here is Malaya with the default invasions.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 8:46:12 PM

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Are the Tf icons slightly smaller or do my eyes decieve me?

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 8:48:03 PM

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And the Phillipines.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 9:00:38 PM

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I know you haven't gotten there yet, but can I see a screenshot of northern Australia from Broome to Darwin with Timor if it fits?? The trails/roads were different from stock to Andrew's and I want to see what they are plus added bases.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 9:01:44 PM

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Are the Tf icons slightly smaller or do my eyes decieve me?

Not smaller. They are unique to a type of TF. CV and SFC TF are SAIEW. The TFs you see in the Malaya Screenie are Amphibious, SFC, and at Singora you see a Multiple TF Icon. As in more than one TF. Probably a Amhib and SFC TF as Escort.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 9:03:36 PM

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Are the Tf icons slightly smaller or do my eyes decieve me?

Not smaller. They are unique to a type of TF. CV and SFC TF are SAIEW. The TFs you see in the Malaya Screenie are Amphibious, SFC, and at Singora you see a Multiple TF Icon. As in more than one TF. Probably a Amhib and SFC TF as Escort.

Thanks Elf

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 9:18:16 PM

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Man, those maps are beautiful. It is odd to see such a "big stretch of water" between Formosa and the Philippines.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 10:23:09 PM

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This is fantastic! Thanks for all the info. I intend to read this thread multiple times daily.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 11:03:01 PM

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When I see all of new bases and locations, I have to ask;

1. Does the AI still take locations on or before it's historical dates?

2. Does the AI capture all of thoese little places or do they just turn Japanese once the major bases are taken or a when a country surenders?

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RE: War Begins! - 2/5/2009 11:25:59 PM

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When I see all of new bases and locations, I have to ask;

1. Does the AI still take locations on or before it's historical dates?

2. Does the AI capture all of thoese little places or do they just turn Japanese once the major bases� are taken or a when a country surenders?

Of course not. If we were to make the AI do all that we'd have to delay the release of AE to the point where people were really beginning to wonder if it even existed. They'd have to sate their appetite for AE with scarce snippets of info from varying threads and scarce AARs, and a screenie or two, and then ask questions that really aren't intended to be answered, but make a point to the developers that...oh wait...

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 12:03:21 AM

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Okay, I see that you're in Naples... SO.
1. Be careful.
2. Are the "Hey Joes" still around?
3. Do they Med-moor the Burkes? If so, can you get me a picture? and;
4. Which side of the tunnel do you work on?

Other than that, don't go in the Gut until the game is done - capiche??

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 3:09:55 AM

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Of course not. If we were to make the AI do all that we'd have to delay the release of AE to the point where people were really beginning to wonder if it even existed. They'd have to sate their appetite for AE with scarce snippets of info from varying threads and scarce AARs, and a screenie or two, and then ask questions that really aren't intended to be answered, but make a point to the developers that...oh wait...

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 3:43:25 AM

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December 9, 1941
Pearl Harbor is a mess, and the Pacific Fleet took a pounding. Nonetheless, sturdy, American-made belt armor saved a few of our battlewagons from oblivion... so far. KB is only about 120nm to the northeast of Oahu, and it's likely they will strike again. If so, they may be in for a little surface surprise.

The enemy carriers lingered for two days' worth or raids pulverizing the airfield and mincing our Army Air Corps. At best, two dozen IJN aircraft were downed over Pearl during this time. With such light losses the Japanese pilots must have all been inspired by the Divine Brady Wind.

A few invasions in the DEI and PI. Kuantan will probably fall soon. Buffaloes did well over Singapore against unescorted Japanese bombers. The brightest spot of the day was off of Midway Island where the SS Argonaut avenged the USS Tennessee at Pearl. I'm worried for what's about to befall Midway...

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 4:10:22 AM

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Yes a true day of infamy, an innocent Japanese oiler is sunk without warning by an American submarine, in retaliation we "touch up" the submarines home base. We demand that the submarine skipper is bought before the Imperial courts to take his punishement!

All we were doing was droping off some oil to the native population of Midway who are being cruelly oppressed by the American military!

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 4:40:53 AM

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Yes a true day of infamy, an innocent Japanese oiler is sunk without warning by an American submarine, in retaliation we "touch up" the submarines home base. We demand that the submarine skipper is bought before the Imperial courts to take his punishement!

All we were doing was droping off some oil to the native population of Midway who are being cruelly oppressed by the American military!

Cheers

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Native population? What are the albatrosses going to do with a bunch of fuel oil? The garrison commander at Midway writes an emphatic note to Green Peace, the Sierra Club, and anyone else who will listen protesting this environmental disaster perpetrated by the IJN

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 4:42:28 AM

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But I doubt the "goonies" much like crude oil.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 4:46:30 AM

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Bah Details datails... it was fish oil as the Americans had depleted the fishing areas so much we need to hand feed the birds with imported oil, please prepare a welcoming party for the teenagers who have volunteered to help feed the fish oil to the birds.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 6:04:37 AM

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Yes a true day of infamy, an innocent Japanese oiler is sunk without warning

You mean I actually sunk it! I think I like these joint AARs!

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 10:29:33 AM

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Could you perhaps expand a bit on the possibilities of replenishing carrier's stock of air torpedoes? I see a mention it can only be done in Japan at the moment, what about other places to be conquered/built up soon?

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 12:17:01 PM

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Love the new sub attack screens, and have always preferred full hull pig boats......Excellent!

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 6:10:07 PM

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When I see all of new bases and locations, I have to ask;

1. Does the AI still take locations on or before it's historical dates?

2. Does the AI capture all of thoese little places or do they just turn Japanese once the major bases are taken or a when a country surenders?

Of course not. If we were to make the AI do all that we'd have to delay the release of AE to the point where people were really beginning to wonder if it even existed. They'd have to sate their appetite for AE with scarce snippets of info from varying threads and scarce AARs, and a screenie or two, and then ask questions that really aren't intended to be answered, but make a point to the developers that...oh wait...

If you can't answer questions then there isn't much point in posting here!

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 6:36:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: pad152

When I see all of new bases and locations, I have to ask;

1. Does the AI still take locations on or before it's historical dates?

2. Does the AI capture all of thoese little places or do they just turn Japanese once the major bases are taken or a when a country surenders?

Of course not. If we were to make the AI do all that we'd have to delay the release of AE to the point where people were really beginning to wonder if it even existed. They'd have to sate their appetite for AE with scarce snippets of info from varying threads and scarce AARs, and a screenie or two, and then ask questions that really aren't intended to be answered, but make a point to the developers that...oh wait...

If you can't answer questions then there isn't much point in posting here!

Actually...time they spend HERE...is time they cannot be THERE........I prefer they do their thing, and I will be grateful for any snippets they CAN provide, without mistakenly thinking it an obligation.

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RE: War Begins! - 2/6/2009 6:57:52 PM

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If you can't answer questions then there isn't much point in posting here!

No offense man, but Elf DID answer your questions, albeit indirectly through use of a rhetorical device called "irony". If you read his response, he said the AE-AI would only be able to do those things you asked about IF certain other events had occurred. All of which HAVE happened.