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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/24/2009 11:01:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse
We're accepting nominations for better alternative spellings:

"Rifle of Canada" (what, the battalion had but 1 rifle among them?)
"RR of Canada" (a rest and relaxation battalion?)
"Canadian Hosers"
"A Canada Bn, eh"

What about "R.Rfl.of Canada"?

I agree its a tough one!

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/24/2009 11:29:26 PM

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I suggest: Rofl of Canada

No offence mapleleafs...

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/25/2009 12:05:01 AM

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The guys are one step a head, clicking on the yellow text "combat" cycles through the options :)

Cheers

Rob

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The coders have been real busy. We have just upgraded to the new build and this additional functionality has been added. While a minor change it really improves the human machine interface. In the past you had to click into each unit to see what mode and orders the unit had. This saves a lot of time each turn!

Nice feature. Would be even better if one could give the combat orders as well and preferably also for stacks outside a base.

Of course getting the baby out would have even higher priority...

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/25/2009 12:20:35 AM

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Yes this is still an issue and not completely tested... I guess we will know in about 18 months time when people get there! It can't be fully tested.

Just as IRL the Japanese command don't know that increasing in one area will restrict operations elsewhere. As the Japanese player you need to be spending as much effort on the ecomomy (monitoring usage and stockpiles) as you do on the operations. You have a number of management options open to you, just like they did IRL.

The fantasy of PACWAR and stock that allows the Japanese to advance faster and do more than was realisticly possible I think is (almost) gone. Also the fantasy that saw Allied players doing unrealistic things in 43 and 44 has also (almost) gone. You have less units (thanks to the new withdrawel rules) compared to stock.

IMHO I think this combined will make the game MORE enjoyable to both sides. In Stock it is fun for the Japanese player until about Jul/Aug 42. Fun for both players from Jul/Aug 42 to about Jan/Feb 43 then generally unfun for the Japanese player from mid 43 onwards (frustration from just being overrun by numbers and capability).

Now I think the balance point will come forward a little bit, and extend until the end of 43 (guess, no real facts). 44 onwards will still be hard (ie frsutrating) on the Japanese player (just as it was in real life).

Of course this is predicated on my style of gaming where the "fun factor" is in having a credible challange (hence I don't play the AI!). I don't find it fun crushing (or being crushed by) my game opponants, I guess I get to do that IRL :)

Now if you wnat the economy fully tested then set the relase date back another 12 months... I don't think ANYONE wants that :) At the moment it looks OK, but is being refined, I expect right up until release.

Cheers

Rob

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Is anyone else out there wondering how on Earth a Japanese player is supposed to build enough engines given that there seems to be about 20 Engine types ?? ... I'm fully in favour of more choices and tough decisions, but isn't is difficult enough to repair at 1000 supply/per Engine Factory (and others too including Arm/Veh/Planes etc). I do hope that someone has tested this economic model sufficiently as I have yet to see a major thread on it (thanks to jrcar for doing this much) & we all know that supply can be a real issue for Japan...

I realise that all of this can be modded anyway -- I guess we will just have to trust in the test team and hope that the Japanese are not so stymied that they cannot compete longer than the first few weeks/months of the war & I hope I am not overstating it here.

Although I have plenty of other issues with the "pacification" iirc (from threads in this forum area) of the Japanese war machine and other issues mostly related to Stock but not necessarily AE(so far as I can tell), I applaud your efforts and in good faith hope that the model will be sound, while looking forward to the added challenges this game will bring.

Once again, thanks Jcar for enlightening an enthrawled public.

I am not a JFB, more of a JWB (w=whipping). At the beginning of this AAR JRCAE did mention that he has played into late 1942 to check the economic part of AE for Japan. I dont have the experience to know if this is long enough. The few times I have played Japan I started running out of engines in late 42.

My experience in RHS is the Japanese economy goes off the rails in late 1942/early 1943. The initial cause is resources running out.

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/25/2009 3:48:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: khyberbill

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Not a typo -- the field allows a maximum of 15 letters/spaces. We're accepting nominations for better alternative spellings:

"Rifle of Canada" (what, the battalion had but 1 rifle among them?)
"RR of Canada" (a rest and relaxation battalion?)
"Canadian Hosers"
"A Canada Bn, eh"

The group below Rifles of Canda has 30 letters/spaces. Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion. I am confused. Easily confused in fact.

Extensive playtesting has revealed that we can now use 19 letters/spaces per unit (suffixes, like "Battalion" are in addition). The bad news is that the extensive playtesting has pushed back the release date another 6 months.

But when AE comes out, "Rifles of Canada" at least, will be possible!

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/25/2009 8:31:02 AM

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"Now if you want the economy fully tested then set the release date back another 12 months..."

I would say more like 36 months to fully test it!

If 19 spaces:
Royl Rfls of Canada

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/25/2009 3:23:20 PM

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I vote for "DemNorthGuys"

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/25/2009 6:29:26 PM

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I kinda like..."HOSERS DOWN THE HALL"..

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/26/2009 4:11:16 AM

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Sorry, m10bob, but that's 20 spaces.....

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/26/2009 5:24:32 PM

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How about the 'RLTG' Royal Lumberjack territorial Guards!!

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/26/2009 6:18:34 PM

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How about the 'RLTG'� Royal Lumberjack territorial Guards!!

CUe the Monty Python music: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok .........

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 2/27/2009 3:06:37 AM

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31 Dec - 1 Jan 1942

Overall quiet

I take Port Blair (Andaman Islands0 by para assault. Port Blair is the key to the Malacca straights and the defence/use of Rangoon. Aircraft and air support will move in.

Over Singapore there is no opposition from the air, AA is damaging my planes a bit, enough that production can't keep pace. Engine production has stepped up.

In Burma I'm bombing stuff... I have a cunning plan...

My advance continues in Malaya, I'm getting some minor swipes in, but Cathartes is getting away in reasonable order. I'm ground attacking with everything except the Sally's (They are reserved for singapore).

I continue to consolodate in China, and improve my strategic position. Cathartes attacks with a large stack on a blocking force, which is forced to retreat. Chusien is my main target, it is almost surrounded and the attack units are almost in place.

Philipines based P-40's launch unsuccesful attacks on my shipping unloading. I defend with some Nates. I loose a few, for no kills, but the ships are fine. I have now surronded a blocking force and can attack. Another division is in the process of unloading.

In Australia I begin the advance out of Darwin towards Katherine. More forces and supplies are coming in... I have plans in this area :)

A lot of stuff unloads at Kendari. I'm preping for Timor and the rest of Sulawesi.

As noted in my industry screens last turn I need to increase engine production. HA-35 (Oscar, Zero, Kate, Val) is increased a lot. I also increase Oscars some more. Even with PDU off you need a lot of them to upgrade airunits.

Otherwise it is quiet, starting to put in place minor resource/oil/fuel convoys to get stuff back to the home islands.

Cathartes is quiet, I'm not in a rush :)

Cheers

Rob

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/2/2009 9:22:47 PM

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Jan 2, 1941
Lots of sub action in the Celebes Sea, but nothing coming of it. SS KXI takes a couple hits, and it's clear that the CVL Ryujo is still in the area. S-39 sent 4 torpedoes toward her two turns ago, but they all missed. You can get an idea of who still owns what in this region. Rob-san has been picking off a few of my transports around here with Ryujo's strike planes, but fortunately he's not finding most of them.

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/2/2009 9:32:21 PM

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Dispatch Kuala Lumpur, Malaya, Jan 2, 1941
I'm on the run in Malaya, and I'm being chased and taken down as if a pack of hungry wolves were at my heals.

Once your troops are disrupted, they are unmanageable, and the enemy can easily bear down on them and chew them up. That's exactly what's happened to the 6th Indian Brigade as they try to escape south. They are disappearing before my eyes as air strikes and Japanese tanks take them apart.

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/2/2009 9:43:13 PM

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Meanwhile, there are more wolves taking me down south of Darwin...

I was powerless to stop the invasion here, and was utterly overwhelmed. Rob had carriers in support, so it would have been suicide to send Dutch and American cruisers to intervene. The USS Boise is alive and well, but I don't want to see how tough she is just yet.

Darwin fortifications and guns mauled several Japanese transports and a couple DDs. I don't know how badly though. I'm not seeing any new FOW sinkings.

Right now, the path to Tennant Creek is wide open. We may recruit some local Aboriginals to launch a guerrilla campaign.

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/2/2009 10:00:43 PM

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And in Luzon I suffer a one-two punch that sends a blocking force reeling back to Clark.

91st PA Inf Div and 12th PA Inf/3 Battalion are attacked at Bayombong and forced to retreat into Cabanatuan. They are then immediately attacked by the IJA 4th Tank Rgt which I don't recall even seeing in this hex. Cab. falls and these units are further shredded.

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/2/2009 11:09:32 PM

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Awwwwwwwwwwwww. Gimme gimme gimme!!!!!!!!!

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 2:38:04 AM

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So given that Japan has successfully invaded Australia at Darwin, by January 2, 1941.

Can some one go over again the trigger for conditional reinforcements for Australia?

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 4:16:11 AM

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I tried to cut the blocking force off, I should have attacked the second base first, then attacked the blocking force. In stock this would have worked, but as I didn't control the hex side or the base the blocking force escaped... but got mauled.

FOW is now a lot trickier with land as well, you don't always see every unit even when they are in the next hex...

Cheers

Rob

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ORIGINAL: Cathartes

And in Luzon I suffer a one-two punch that sends a blocking force reeling back to Clark.

91st PA Inf Div and 12th PA Inf/3 Battalion are attacked at Bayombong and forced to retreat into Cabanatuan. They are then immediately attacked by the IJA 4th Tank Rgt which I don't recall even seeing in this hex. Cab. falls and these units are further shredded.

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 4:18:03 AM

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It is further south, around Brisbane/Alice I think... but Andrew will have to answer.

These forces would normally be used in the Philipines, I'm accepting risk there to move here.

Cheers

Rob

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ORIGINAL: Heeward

So given that Japan has successfully invaded Australia at Darwin, by January 2, 1941.

Can some one go over again the trigger for conditional reinforcements for Australia?

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 7:28:48 AM

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So given that Japan has successfully invaded Australia at Darwin, by January 2, 1941.

Can some one go over again the trigger for conditional reinforcements for Australia?

Historically, Australia planned to conduct a fighting retreat to a line between Brisbane and Adelaide. Western Australia was to be given up if necessary, although Perth would have given Japan a good port. The militia were organised into two corps, one for the north and one for the south. Each corps had an armoured division in support. The AIF armoured division and other assets (including troops returned from the Middle East) formed the army reserve. In terms of logistics, Japan would have been in very serious trouble.

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 7:31:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: jrcar

I tried to cut the blocking force off, I should have attacked the second base first, then attacked the blocking force. In stock this would have worked, but as I didn't control the hex side or the base the blocking force escaped... but got mauled.

FOW is now a lot trickier with land as well, you don't always see every unit even when they are in the next hex...

Cheers

Rob

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ORIGINAL: Cathartes

And in Luzon I suffer a one-two punch that sends a blocking force reeling back to Clark.

91st PA Inf Div and 12th PA Inf/3 Battalion are attacked at Bayombong and forced to retreat into Cabanatuan. They are then immediately attacked by the IJA 4th Tank Rgt which I don't recall even seeing in this hex. Cab. falls and these units are further shredded.

One of the best new additions IMO

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 7:35:34 AM

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Well I'm sitting at Sydney airport, just sent another turn, waiting for my plane to fly me to the newly occupied territory around Darwin. I'd like to thank Cathartes for the overflight permissions :)

If I get a chance I'll try to get a photo of the battery positions now they are in our control :)

Cheers

Rob

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 11:57:48 AM

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Recently we have been told AE includes observation planes, some of which were part of LCU TOE's IRL..Will their presence affect this FOW, as far as the above instance in which an enemy unit was not observed earlier in an adjacent hex?

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 12:03:25 PM

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Recently we have been told AE includes observation planes, some of which were part of LCU TOE's IRL..Will their presence affect this FOW, as far as the above instance in which an enemy unit was not observed earlier in an adjacent hex?

All observation planes are classified as recon and they are in air units. There are a lot of odds and ends aircraft classified as recon like some Stearman trainers in the Philippines at start. There were a number of aircraft built for training or civilian purposes pressed into the search role early on.

Bill

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/3/2009 12:06:28 PM

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TY Bill..

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RE: WITP AE AAR Feb 09 Cathartes-JRCAR (Jap) - 3/4/2009 9:25:19 AM

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Here is the right hand 9.2in gun emplacement at Darwin after we captured and cleaned up the area :)

The gun has been removed and will be used as seige arty :)