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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/10/2009 10:49:48 PM   
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You could sprinkle little bases all over the place to simulate certain things, but I am against doing that - the game design is what it is.






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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/10/2009 11:07:07 PM   
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Sorry. Here is the list of off map bases:

UK, Canada, US East Coast, Cristobal (Panama), Balboa (Panama), Port Stanley, Cape Town, Mombasa, Aden, Abadan.

Andrew


No worries. The only new one that I did not know about was Abadan. Nice to have plenty of options.

Thanks again for the reply.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/10/2009 11:19:29 PM   
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We discussed the concept of "bases" very early in AE development. In theory, every land hex should be a "base" hex, because it is possible to build port facilities and/or airfields just about anywhere. The base concept for WitP goes back a very long way though, and a total redesign was not possibility, so we stuck with the "base" concept as is. The major difference is that there are a lot of new bases due to the larger map size.

You could sprinkle little bases all over the place to simulate certain things, but I am against doing that - the game design is what it is.

Andrew

And it is good. I like it. It is easy to push soldiers out of an airplane when you are sitting at a computer. A little bit harder IRL!!! We have to remember that this is a game and we can't always drop a company behind the lines to cut off an army!!! Even if we do bag a few Indian or Chinese divisions in the process.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 3:04:02 AM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 11:47:31 AM   
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Different question. The map shows a border splitting Timor in half, but the bases are Dutch on both sides. Are the Portuguese in-game in any way? There's no sign of Macao in China - what about Goa, India?


No the Portuguese are not present. Macao is not present but Goa is (as an Indian base).

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 12:27:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Should have posted this earlier. The map legend, showing the terrain types. This might make the other screenshots more understandable.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 12:29:59 PM   
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If possible can we get a look at the Noumea, Efate and Espiritu Santo area?


OK, here is that area...

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 12:33:59 PM   
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Andy, could I see Burma?


I think Burma screenies have been posted in the AAR threads already, but here is another one that covers all of Burma.

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BTW, there might be a workaround for the problem of airborne ops away from bases. Does a 'beach' count for air landings? Most of central Burma (and a lot of other areas) could be treated like a 'beach.


Maybe you should get together with Treespider to make a mod





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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 12:40:37 PM   
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Requests:

1. Guam, Tinian and Saipan area.
2. Palau, Yap and Ulithi area.


I managed to squeeze these into one screenshot. Here it is.

Andrew






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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 12:52:47 PM   
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Thanks in advance, Andrew!!

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 1:01:17 PM   
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I remember, I read something about limitation of ships able to use navigable rivers. Can not find it, could you repeat that one please ?
Secondly, in one of the sreen shots in an recent AAR, i saw the river navigable between HANKOW/WUCHANG and NANKING. But it seems to me it is not navigable between NANKING and the CHINA SEA. Is that right, or is it just the quality of the screen shot ?

Tx in advance !

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 2:34:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bhamo is a town halfway between Myitkyina and Lashio.

It looks like there's a beach at Indaw. The secondary road reaches the Chindwin from Indaw.

There was a major base complex at Dimapur. Is that the beach at the base of the Imphal road?

The secondary road from Imphal to Kalewa continues on to Shwebo and Mandalay.

The road north from Mandalay stays to the east of the Irrawaddy until it reaches Indaw.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 3:08:20 PM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 3:11:13 PM   
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I managed to squeeze these into one screenshot. Here it is.

Andrew



Thanks for posting those!

Great to see Babeldaob and Rota in there too, not to mention the other small islands around Pagan.

Just curious:

What is the size and potential size of Babeldaob's port and airfield? It was a much, much larger island than Peleliu, but I dont know how much of that was good for base building.

Thanks again

Chad

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 3:18:45 PM   
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Everything looks terrific !!!

I was wondering if you could show some of Canada :)  Is Vancouver Island actually an Island now?  Victoria and such? 

How far east does the map go?  Winnipeg?

Cheers
John

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 4:15:52 PM   
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Would it be possible to see all the "off-map" areas?

Thanks in advance, Andrew!!


I would second this request.

Thanks.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 4:51:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		So there are "secondary railroads" now? Maybe they have less capacity than major RRs?

Also, I noticed some railways in the same hex as roads in northern Oz -- maybe you can choose which to use?

Finally, I'm curious about the compass rose next to the legend. I assume this is a reference for setting air search arcs. It's not a big deal, but I'm curious: is East the same everywhere, lol? Because of the projection, 090 degrees might look like "hex directly to the right" near Los Angeles, but more like "hex to the bottom-right" near Japan. I assume "the hex directly to the right" is always 090 (East)?

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 6:15:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Legends - what is the clear hex with the lines (Bottom Right) ?

Three legends are the same and show clear hex.


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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 6:41:16 PM   
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Would it be possible to see all the "off-map" areas?

Thanks in advance, Andrew!!

I would second this request.

Thanks.

That would be a bit hard, since they are scattered all over the edges. Maybe Andrew can figure something out. But they are basically 1 hex boxes, like what you see in Andrew’s post #11. They have paths going ‘to’ and ‘from’, which run along the map edges, but these might lead you to a wrong conclusion about distance. Paths lead to ‘Holding Boxes’ like shown in his post #66.

He determined the distance between off-map/off-map and off-map/entry, and knowing the speed of a TF, the time/distance calc is simple. A TF will mosey along the path and sit in the Holding Box till time/distance is done and then, poof, show up at the entry hex.

Which, btw, is NOT the hex just next the Box. And, iirc, moves around a bit, so you can’t get gamey with huge sub TFs lying in wait.


Hope this is what you wanted to know.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/11/2009 6:50:47 PM   
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. . .

Hope this is what you wanted to know.

Ciao. John


That sums it up. Thanks for the post.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/12/2009 4:41:50 AM   
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Hi Andrew,

I remember, I read something about limitation of ships able to use navigable rivers. Can not find it, could you repeat that one please ?


Ships have to be smaller than 15,000 tons to be able to use navigable rivers.

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Secondly, in one of the sreen shots in an recent AAR, i saw the river navigable between HANKOW/WUCHANG and NANKING. But it seems to me it is not navigable between NANKING and the CHINA SEA. Is that right, or is it just the quality of the screen shot ?

Tx in advance !


The "river" below Nanking is actually made up of ocean hexsides. This means that: Ships of any size can cross them, just like any other ocean hexside. Also, LCUs cannot cross them. So no crossing by LCUs of the Yangtse below Nanking unless you use a ship, and also any size ship can move as far along the "river" as far as Nanking. Between Nanking and Hankow it is ships smaller than 15,000 tons only.

Andrew

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/12/2009 4:54:33 AM   
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Just curious:

What is the size and potential size of Babeldaob's port and airfield? It was a much, much larger island than Peleliu, but I dont know how much of that was good for base building.

Thanks again

Chad


Babeldaob is a port 3(2) and an airfield 4(3).
Peleliu is a port 0(0) and an airfield 1(2).

Andrew

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/12/2009 4:55:42 AM   
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Legends - what is the clear hex with the lines (Bottom Right) ?

Three legends are the same and show clear hex.




The extra clear hexes in the legend are just unused bits. Maybe I should "remove" these.

Andrew

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/12/2009 4:59:42 AM   
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So there are "secondary railroads" now? Maybe they have less capacity than major RRs?


There are no capacity limits for railways (yes we did consider adding them but it was decided to be "out of scope"), but the "minor" railways have a lower movement rate than the "major" railways.

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Also, I noticed some railways in the same hex as roads in northern Oz -- maybe you can choose which to use?


Yes, that is one change in AE - you can choose to use either the road or the railway. Note that there are restriction on using the railways - using them is considered a form of strategic movement.

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Finally, I'm curious about the compass rose next to the legend. I assume this is a reference for setting air search arcs. It's not a big deal, but I'm curious: is East the same everywhere, lol? Because of the projection, 090 degrees might look like "hex directly to the right" near Los Angeles, but more like "hex to the bottom-right" near Japan. I assume "the hex directly to the right" is always 090 (East)?


You are right, East is not the same direction in different parts of the map. The "N, S, E, W" letters on the compass rose are for aesthetics only. The "rose" is there to help with setting search arcs as you guessed.

Andrew

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/12/2009 7:15:20 AM   
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A TF will mosey along the path and sit in the Holding Box till time/distance is done and then, poof, show up at the entry hex.

Which, btw, is NOT the hex just next the Box. And, iirc, moves around a bit, so you can’t get gamey with huge sub TFs lying in wait.


That is a VERY nice feature!

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/12/2009 3:04:29 PM   
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You are right, East is not the same direction in different parts of the map. The "N, S, E, W" letters on the compass rose are for aesthetics only. The "rose" is there to help with setting search arcs as you guessed.

Andrew


So, are those bearings given relative bearings for every hex, then, that is, no matter where you are, the bearing directly perpendicular to the right will be 090, the bearing directly ahead of and away from you will be 000, etc., etc., etc.


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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/12/2009 4:26:01 PM   
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Babeldaob is a port 3(2) and an airfield 4(3).
Peleliu is a port 0(0) and an airfield 1(2).

Andrew



Thanks Andrew. Interesting possibilities for both sides there now . . .

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/12/2009 4:26:18 PM   
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N - E - S - W are actually Up - Right - Down - Left on the map, regardless of the true direction on the real earth.

In AAR's and other posts on the forum I often see people use the compass direction in that same fashion. For example if you left Columbo to fly to Cox's Bazaar on the game map you fly East, in reality you would fly North. What I've seen is people just go with 'East' because it matches 'Right' on the map.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/13/2009 3:57:02 AM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 2/13/2009 4:00:49 AM   
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We discussed the concept of "bases" very early in AE development. In theory, every land hex should be a "base" hex, because it is possible to build port facilities and/or airfields just about anywhere. The base concept for WitP goes back a very long way though, and a total redesign was not possibility, so we stuck with the "base" concept as is. The major difference is that there are a lot of new bases due to the larger map size.

You could sprinkle little bases all over the place to simulate certain things, but I am against doing that - the game design is what it is.

Andrew

And it is good. I like it. It is easy to push soldiers out of an airplane when you are sitting at a computer. A little bit harder IRL!!! We have to remember that this is a game and we can't always drop a company behind the lines to cut off an army!!! Even if we do bag a few Indian or Chinese divisions in the process.



That is less likely to happen anymore...due to how the hexside control works.

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