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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/6/2009 7:55:00 PM   
NormS3


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the maps Andrew!

They look great!

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/6/2009 10:56:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Burma is the most fascinating early battle for me and Andrew's map makes it so hard for both sides in AE

Burma COmmand has less than 2 Divs at start but by carefull juggling of reinforcements can end up with 7 pretty quickly making it a real challenge for the Japanese player.

(Assuming you divert 18th Brit, 6th Aus, 7th Aus and 44th and 45th Indian Bdes - e.g. concentrate all of your available reinforcments in 1st 4 months to Burma !!!)

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/7/2009 3:45:59 AM   
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Thanks Andrew

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/7/2009 3:57:04 PM   
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Thanks !
As an ARMY-guy, I am not familiar with all that NAVY stuff. (expecialy not with those trying to play real soldiers)



Except that the Coast Artillery is branch of the US Army.


*Was* a branch (abolished in 1950).



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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/21/2009 6:22:32 AM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/21/2009 10:42:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		How are the Andaman and Nicobar islands represented on the map ?
is it only Port Blair or are there more (dot) bases present.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 7:44:26 AM   
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Can I see a screenshot of northern Australia from Broome to Darwin with Timor if it fits?? The trails/roads were different from stock to Andrew's and I want to see what they are plus added bases.


Here is a map of that area. There are some more bases in Northern Australia compared to stock.







The dot base representing Gove (or Nhulunbuy) is in the wrong hex - it should be one hex further NW. Curious to hear what ratings it got by the way??

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 12:36:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Where is the island of Komodo located?  It was in the news lately about some divers getting stranded there and having to fight off the dragons until they were rescued.  I don't expect there was a base on that island...

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 12:52:05 PM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 1:33:03 PM   
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Where is the island of Komodo located?  It was in the news lately about some divers getting stranded there and having to fight off the dragons until they were rescued.  I don't expect there was a base on that island...


The Aussies are lucky the Australian version of the Komodo dragon (Megalania prisca) is extinct.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 1:49:25 PM   
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The dot base representing Gove (or Nhulunbuy) is in the wrong hex - it should be one hex further NW. Curious to hear what ratings it got by the way??


Golly you are right Well spotted, and something I will correct. Gove is a Port 0 (2) and airfield 0 (5).

Andrew

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 3:25:32 PM   
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The dot base representing Gove (or Nhulunbuy) is in the wrong hex - it should be one hex further NW. Curious to hear what ratings it got by the way??


Golly you are right Well spotted, and something I will correct. Gove is a Port 0 (2) and airfield 0 (5).

Andrew



Ha! Nice to know i've contributed something useful to AE!!

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 4:03:04 PM   
Flying Tiger

 

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Status: offline 		Gove was my hometown for a couple of years - thus the interest.

I know it is an off map area, but what are the ratings for Mauritius (my current 'hometown')?

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 4:54:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		So how will the addition of so many bases affect either the players' or the AI's strategy?  I've started my first 1941 campaign game vs the AI recently and the sheer number of bases the AI ends up assaulting in stock is huge.  I've noticed sometimes it acts really odd at times; even though there's a half dozen infantry units in Rabaul right now, for example, the AI only bombards and doesn't assault my garrison.  Similarly it dropped off a base force at Brunei and waited on a LCU to march in from a nearby base before attacking there.

Will the AI be able to handle having to deal with so many bases to attack, or will it just start randomly picking some and eventually 'fill in' after it has enough taken in an area?  When I'm on the attack I expect to be able of choosing undefended or weakly defended bases and building them up, rather than finding myself facing a 'roadblock' of several well defended bases I have to take to continue moving forward.

Oh, can we see a screenshot of the Dutch East Indies?  I'd like to see how the bases have changed from stock VitP.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 5:06:19 PM   
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So how will the addition of so many bases affect either the players' or the AI's strategy?  I've started my first 1941 campaign game vs the AI recently and the sheer number of bases the AI ends up assaulting in stock is huge.  I've noticed sometimes it acts really odd at times; even though there's a half dozen infantry units in Rabaul right now, for example, the AI only bombards and doesn't assault my garrison.  Similarly it dropped off a base force at Brunei and waited on a LCU to march in from a nearby base before attacking there.

Will the AI be able to handle having to deal with so many bases to attack, or will it just start randomly picking some and eventually 'fill in' after it has enough taken in an area?  When I'm on the attack I expect to be able of choosing undefended or weakly defended bases and building them up, rather than finding myself facing a 'roadblock' of several well defended bases I have to take to continue moving forward.

Oh, can we see a screenshot of the Dutch East Indies?  I'd like to see how the bases have changed from stock VitP.


I imagine that is why AE hasn't been released yet. We thought the AI for WITP was probably difficult to program. Just think of programming the AI for hundreds of extra bases!

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 11:16:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The major reason AE was delayed was due to the fact that when it came time to program the AI, the old AI was lacking.  A new AI was created that is programmable from the editor.  Andy has had a bit of a tutorial on it here on the forum.

There were some things with the AI that could not be changed.  It's still "script" driven.  That is, when on offense, it is told which bases to take.  There is some flexability and some randomness that can happen, but if a base is not on the list, it won't be taken by that script.  Andy has been careful to ensure that all the new bases, as well as the old ones are included in the scripts.

While the AI was being rewritten and tested, we also fixed up a lot of other things and added some other features that originally were not planned for the initial release.  So the delay to redo the AI has had other benefits.

I think I'm one of the few people on the team who has played the AI in the original game much.  The AI in AE is craftier and generally tougher than the original game.  Care has also been taken so the AI doesn't just roll over and quit after a while.  A good human player will always be better than the AI.  That's true for just about every game out there (that's been the complaint of good chess players and computerized chess games for at least 25 years).  However, the AE AI will give an average player much more of a challenge than the original game did.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/25/2009 11:22:22 PM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/26/2009 12:37:22 AM   
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Burma is the most fascinating early battle for me and Andrew's map makes it so hard for both sides in AE

Burma COmmand has less than 2 Divs at start but by carefull juggling of reinforcements can end up with 7 pretty quickly making it a real challenge for the Japanese player.

(Assuming you divert 18th Brit, 6th Aus, 7th Aus and 44th and 45th Indian Bdes - e.g. concentrate all of your available reinforcments in 1st 4 months to Burma !!!)

What if your opponent just goes around and lands at Madras?

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/26/2009 1:36:10 AM   
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Burma is the most fascinating early battle for me and Andrew's map makes it so hard for both sides in AE

Burma COmmand has less than 2 Divs at start but by carefull juggling of reinforcements can end up with 7 pretty quickly making it a real challenge for the Japanese player.

(Assuming you divert 18th Brit, 6th Aus, 7th Aus and 44th and 45th Indian Bdes - e.g. concentrate all of your available reinforcments in 1st 4 months to Burma !!!)

What if your opponent just goes around and lands at Madras?


Doh!

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/26/2009 1:55:38 AM   
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Burma is the most fascinating early battle for me and Andrew's map makes it so hard for both sides in AE

Burma COmmand has less than 2 Divs at start but by carefull juggling of reinforcements can end up with 7 pretty quickly making it a real challenge for the Japanese player.

(Assuming you divert 18th Brit, 6th Aus, 7th Aus and 44th and 45th Indian Bdes - e.g. concentrate all of your available reinforcments in 1st 4 months to Burma !!!)

What if your opponent just goes around and lands at Madras?


Then you move there... Duh...

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/26/2009 3:32:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Andrew,

did i see you have included Broken Hill as a resource centre on one of the southern australian map images posted earlier ?

Funny if the japanese ever take it, they get all of australias gold wealth as it was stored in the local gaol for safe keeping during WWII

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/26/2009 8:27:43 AM   
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The major reason AE was delayed was due to the fact that when it came time to program the AI, the old AI was lacking.  A new AI was created that is programmable from the editor.  Andy has had a bit of a tutorial on it here on the forum.

There were some things with the AI that could not be changed.  It's still "script" driven.  That is, when on offense, it is told which bases to take.  There is some flexability and some randomness that can happen, but if a base is not on the list, it won't be taken by that script.  Andy has been careful to ensure that all the new bases, as well as the old ones are included in the scripts.

While the AI was being rewritten and tested, we also fixed up a lot of other things and added some other features that originally were not planned for the initial release.  So the delay to redo the AI has had other benefits.

I think I'm one of the few people on the team who has played the AI in the original game much.  The AI in AE is craftier and generally tougher than the original game.  Care has also been taken so the AI doesn't just roll over and quit after a while.  A good human player will always be better than the AI.  That's true for just about every game out there (that's been the complaint of good chess players and computerized chess games for at least 25 years).  However, the AE AI will give an average player much more of a challenge than the original game did.

Bill



How do you address the frame problem? That is, when you notice a change in your external environment, how do you know what to change in your internal representation or model of the situation? This internal model is what you use to choose your behaviour. This is an important hard problem in building an AI for a game.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/26/2009 2:59:42 PM   
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Is is possible to see what Alaska and British Columbia look like?


Here is some of Alaska:







Is Bethel going to be accessible by sea, or is it Ice Locked?

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RE: AE map screenshots - 3/26/2009 3:03:48 PM   
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WOW! That is an exceedingly cool map. Any Allied units pushed back to Myitkyina in 42 will be in for some major heartache.



Looks like Paratroopers will be very usefull in Burma, given the number of poor quality trails in the area.

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RE: AE map screenshots - 4/21/2009 6:24:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andrew , the islands in the SE Pacific that aren't on the WITP map, is it possible to get a look of the area or areas when time permits.

As always thanks!

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RE: AE map screenshots - 4/21/2009 6:37:04 PM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 4/21/2009 6:54:19 PM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 4/21/2009 7:01:52 PM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 4/21/2009 7:02:23 PM   
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RE: AE map screenshots - 4/21/2009 7:04:50 PM   
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What if a player takes all the dots in this GREAT map, stick them one next to other... How long will be the line? A mile? Two?


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