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ORIGINAL: khyberbill

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Again? When was the last time the French declared war on Britain? I'm guessing the American revolution.

Well, there was that little dust up at Waterloo in 1815. Prior to that there was a rather famous battle at Trafalgar. I dont think there has been any conflict since then except on the soccer and rugby fields.

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ORIGINAL: marky

ahh the french would just surrender 

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The first of the wars started in 1793. I thought it was started after French fortress at Brest fired upon a British frigate.

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ORIGINAL: gladiatt

Well, first, Hasting in 1066: duke of Normandy William won a conquest war against saxon kings (damn, can't remember wich one; Alfred ?)

Then, just took time for second generations to come, and from 1100 there were endless war, rivality, trials, treaty, exchange, successions, between french power and english power...last clash was in Africa, at Fachoda, something like 1888.

The french navy had a real rivality status against english navy...it was even bitter after Mers-El-Kebir....

Edit: even if our two country had hard time, and even if i don't know if personnaly, i must add that i feel ok with my favorite english threader here: Dixie. HYE Dixie

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

From today's strategypage.net


http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20090215.aspx

Cruiser On The Rocks

February 15, 2009: The USS Port Royal, an American cruiser, ran aground on February 5th, as it returned to its base in Hawaii after the first day of sea trials. The ship slid into a shoal of sand and rock, which was actually construction debris from a nearby air port. The Port Royal had spent the last four months in a shipyard, getting a normal batch of upgrades and maintenance. The 9,600 ton ship has been in service for 15 years, and is the 27th, and last, Ticonderoga class cruiser to be built.

It took four days to get the cruiser off the shoal, which was done by removing about a thousand tons of weight from the ship. It's not been announced how it hit the shoal, which is marked on charts. The Port Royal draws 33 feet of water, and the shoal is 22 feet under water. The captain of the Port Royal was relieved, which is normal for a grounding such as this.

The only damage mentioned is to the propellers (the tips were torn off), and a leak in one of the sonar domes. There was no hull breach. It is also believed that propeller shaft and shaft bearings will probably have to be replaced as well. In the old days before electric drive, her engines might have been screwed as well in this kind of situation. So hooray for electric drive, it saved the navy a lot of money in this case.

So after one day of sea trials, the Port Royal is headed right back to the shipyard and dry dock. There will probably be courts martial for whoever screwed up the navigation that put the ship on a known shoal. Professional mariners don't do that sort of thing in clear weather and calm seas.

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

From today's strategypage.net


http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20090215.aspx

Cruiser On The Rocks

February 15, 2009: The USS Port Royal, an American cruiser, ran aground on February 5th, as it returned to its base in Hawaii after the first day of sea trials. The ship slid into a shoal of sand and rock, which was actually construction debris from a nearby air port. The Port Royal had spent the last four months in a shipyard, getting a normal batch of upgrades and maintenance. The 9,600 ton ship has been in service for 15 years, and is the 27th, and last, Ticonderoga class cruiser to be built.

It took four days to get the cruiser off the shoal, which was done by removing about a thousand tons of weight from the ship. It's not been announced how it hit the shoal, which is marked on charts. The Port Royal draws 33 feet of water, and the shoal is 22 feet under water. The captain of the Port Royal was relieved, which is normal for a grounding such as this.

The only damage mentioned is to the propellers (the tips were torn off), and a leak in one of the sonar domes. There was no hull breach. It is also believed that propeller shaft and shaft bearings will probably have to be replaced as well. In the old days before electric drive, her engines might have been screwed as well in this kind of situation. So hooray for electric drive, it saved the navy a lot of money in this case.

So after one day of sea trials, the Port Royal is headed right back to the shipyard and dry dock. There will probably be courts martial for whoever screwed up the navigation that put the ship on a known shoal. Professional mariners don't do that sort of thing in clear weather and calm seas.

I'm not sure how the USN handles this sort of thing, but I believe that in the RN the captain is always responsible for his vessel. This applies with civilian pilots guiding the ship as well. Which is as it should be really, if he's (or she's) in charge of millions of pounds of my tax money I damn well want someone to get in trouble for smashing it up

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

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ORIGINAL: gladiatt

Well, first, Hasting in 1066: duke of Normandy William won a conquest war against saxon kings (damn, can't remember wich one; Alfred ?)

Then, just took time for second generations to come, and from 1100 there were endless war, rivality, trials, treaty, exchange, successions, between french power and english power...last clash was in Africa, at Fachoda, something like 1888.

The french navy had a real rivality status against english navy...it was even bitter after Mers-El-Kebir....

Edit: even if our two country had hard time, and even if i don't know if personnaly, i must add that i feel ok with my favorite english threader here: Dixie. HYE Dixie

Le Hello mate The BAttle of Hastings was King Harold.

During the Napoleonic Wars Britain was, I think, the only nation that remained at war with Frnace for the entire duration since we were protected by the Royal Navy. I'm not sure who declared war on who though.

It's interesting that Mountbatten made a visit to Richelieu when she was part of the Eastern Fleet, the date he went aboard was 3rd July 1945, the fifth anniversary of Mers-El-Kebir...

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

I'm not sure how the USN handles this sort of thing, but I believe that in the RN the captain is always responsible for his vessel. This applies with civilian pilots guiding the ship as well. Which is as it should be really, if he's (or she's) in charge of millions of pounds of my tax money I damn well want someone to get in trouble for smashing it up

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"

Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.

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ORIGINAL: Hornblower

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"

Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.

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Civil war battle 1862..

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay


It seems that some of our Yankee friends are unfamiliar with certain southern euphemisms for the War of Yankee Aggression.

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ORIGINAL: Whipple

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay


It seems that some of our Yankee friends are unfamiliar with certain southern euphemisms for the War of Yankee Aggression.

Yes they are. Most think the war was about freeing the slaves. It was really about yankee governmental intrusion into states rights as set forth in the constitution.

Whipple

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I wasn't talking about the cause of the war. I was talking about the way we southerners will rarely use the same name for the war that Yankees do, so when we mention it they don't realize that's what we are talking about! 

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I wasn't talking about the cause of the war. I was talking about the way we southerners will rarely use the same name for the war that Yankees do, so when we mention it they don't realize that's what we are talking about! 

i think most people recognize the "code name" without too much difficulty...

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ORIGINAL: Feinder
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There is no, "I was asleep. The XO had the conn." You're the Captain, you're responsible, period. Ultimately it would be argued that if the XO wasn't a competant navigator, captain shouldn't have put him at the conn.
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ORIGINAL: USS America

Great pictures, Tom! 

Oh, and the pictures of the cruiser are good too. 

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"

Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.

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The US Navy has gone through a dizzying series of name change procedures since 1945.
CV's were named after US battles, or old ships of the USN.The USS Frankin D. Roosevelt changed this. Then presidents, Secretaries of defense and even congressmen had carriers named after them.
Battleships and large monitors (also Armored cruisers) were named after states. With the arrival of the Ohio class, States became names for SSBN's , then SSN's. Conneticut , then Virginia class.
Cruisers traditionally had city names , small cities and towns became gunboat names (also some old USN ships names). After the Long Beach , we stopped building cruisers, and begame building "Large Frigates" (which sounded less agressive. ) Large frigates were named after people...Truxton, Bainbridge, Yarnell and Halsy for examples. (They were DLG's). In the late 1970's they were renamed "cruisers" and the Ticonderoga class aegis cruisers had Carrier names....battles and old ships of the USN.

During this period city names went to LSD's, various landing vessels , LKA's , replenishment ships. In 1976 Hyman Rickover began naming submarines after cities to appeal to congressmen who were on good terms with him (the Los Angles class) . When pressed about the submarines traditionally being named after fish , he's quoted as saying "fish don't vote". He also named four submarines after congressmen. Also battle names were going to amphiibious landing ships like Tarawa, Saipan and Inchon. Today these ships are named Wasp, Essex and the newest one ,America.

Virtually every single naming tradition has been scrapped and rescrapped.The worst example is the three SSN's of the Seawolf class. Seawolf was to be a return to traditional naming. The next boat was named Connetict , the last Jimmy Carter! Confused yet?

In the mid 80's , I was asked to help out a local recruiter at nearby mall on a recruiter day . (He wanted a aviation type present , as we were a naval air station , and he was a surface type). An old timer wearing a USS Leyte cap came up to me. "I hear that they gave the name of my old carrier to a tin-can. Is that true ?' , he asked. "No , actually it's a cruiser " I replied. "Really? I was also on the Portland before the war. Is there a ships named for her?' "Yes , it's LSD", I replied. He looked panic stricken. "I was also on the cruiser Los Angles after the war. What the hell is she now a submarine?!". "I don't know how to tell you this, but yes, she is". "G--D----0 Navy"! he said, walking off and shaking his head.

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ORIGINAL: khyberbill

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The US Navy has gone through a dizzying series of name change procedures since 1945.
CV's were named after US battles, or old ships of the USN.The USS Frankin D. Roosevelt changed this. Then presidents, Secretaries of defense and even congressmen had carriers named after them.
Battleships and large monitors (also Armored cruisers) were named after states. With the arrival of the Ohio class, States became names for SSBN's , then SSN's. Conneticut , then Virginia class.
Cruisers traditionally had city names , small cities and towns became gunboat names (also some old USN ships names). After the Long Beach , we stopped building cruisers, and begame building "Large Frigates" (which sounded less agressive. ) Large frigates were named after people...Truxton, Bainbridge, Yarnell and Halsy for examples. (They were DLG's). In the late 1970's they were renamed "cruisers" and the Ticonderoga class aegis cruisers had Carrier names....battles and old ships of the USN.

During this period city names went to LSD's, various landing vessels , LKA's , replenishment ships. In 1976 Hyman Rickover began naming submarines after cities to appeal to congressmen who were on good terms with him (the Los Angles class) . When pressed about the submarines traditionally being named after fish , he's quoted as saying "fish don't vote". He also named four submarines after congressmen. Also battle names were going to amphiibious landing ships like Tarawa, Saipan and Inchon. Today these ships are named Wasp, Essex and the newest one ,America.

Virtually every single naming tradition has been scrapped and rescrapped.The worst example is the three SSN's of the Seawolf class. Seawolf was to be a return to traditional naming. The next boat was named Connetict , the last Jimmy Carter! Confused yet?

In the mid 80's , I was asked to help out a local recruiter at nearby mall on a recruiter day . (He wanted a aviation type present , as we were a naval air station , and he was a surface type). An old timer wearing a USS Leyte cap came up to me. "I hear that they gave the name of my old carrier to a tin-can. Is that true ?' , he asked. "No , actually it's a cruiser " I replied. "Really? I was also on the Portland before the war. Is there a ships named for her?' "Yes , it's LSD", I replied. He looked panic stricken. "I was also on the cruiser Los Angles after the war. What the hell is she now a submarine?!". "I don't know how to tell you this, but yes, she is". "G--D----0 Navy"! he said, walking off and shaking his head.

Yes, it is kind of sad. I wont let a Navy person tell me about tradition any more.