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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

It's funny how often people remember the bad low probability rolls they had to endure and forget the good ones they enjoyed. You need my WIF Die Roller and Luck Tracker Visual Basic program which tabulates all the rolls and keeps track of their probabilities and records them by roll, session and game for each player. Then at the end of the game you'll know if you really have the right to bitch.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: winky51

Most WIF games I played a shift in win % can usually be attributed to 1-2 summer turns either ending early or some weirdo weather pattern. It didnt say it determines the game, it just has a serious impact. And for some weird reason it doesnt even out.

Like if a game looks as if the axis are going to win if they continue along their path 70% because they are crushing Russia (BAM 1 end of turn June, BAM 1 end of turn July) now it drops to 50% because the allies passed.

Guess the argument can be made is that if the allies were any good they wouldnt need to pass.

Ive also seen the endless summer turn in Russia where POOF there goes the game.

Ive seen in 1944 the USA fleet absolutely destroyed by the Japs or just the opposite in 1942.

Ive seen a german player pretty much never fail to roll a 1 on convoy searches for 2 years straight with their suns.

ive seen a german player never roll above a 12 in barbarosa for the 1st 2 years... actually this was the last game my buddy played (I wasnt in it) and he is the best player we got.

Its a shift not an absolute. I have had 1 in 5 games where the shift wasnt significant and the luck was even.

It's funny how often people remember the bad low probability rolls they had to endure and forget the good ones they enjoyed. You need my WIF Die Roller and Luck Tracker Visual Basic program which tabulates all the rolls and keeps track of their probabilities and records them by roll, session and game for each player. Then at the end of the game you'll know if you really have the right to bitch.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Version 3 tabulates the rolls based simply on probability normalized to a scale of -10 to +10 (minus being a failure, + being a success).

Version 4 is having its functional spec written currently to correct some sequencing issues in naval Search and Intercept, and to fix the fact red-circled planes were not handled in Ground Striking, and to adjust the luck measurement for weather and combat because desired weather does not have a way to define success versus a linear 'target number' (plus say all higher or all lower numbers) and combat will include a comparison of attacker objective (FREX inflict casualties, or don't flip, or take the hex) versus attacker and defender losses. Also players will have the ability to define an agreed "multiple" for the weather and initiative rolls - essentially making them worth more than a single air battle roll FREX.

I'm also thinking of adding a way to designate a combat as having higher importance - again a "multiplier" - which would be used for things like an attack on Leningrad or Gibraltar, etc. However we have already had some disagreements about setting target numbers for success (these are the main reasons for making the changes for weather and combat). So it would be goofey to have something built as a play aid turn out to actually slow the game down! So I think that function will work like the doubling cube in Backgammon where once you use it, you can't do so again until after your opponent does.

But Orm, you and Gridley are right - there will always be claims made that this roll or that roll was far more important to the outcome of the game then what the program calculated based simply on probability. That is why another spec for Version 4 will be to turn off the measurement of player luck and just retain the info about the Means and Standard Deviations of all the die rolls. BTW, if you ever wondered how many die rolls are typically made in a game of WiFFE, we are just starting MA45 and there have been 4525 rolls (excluding choosing builds, which we do the old fashioned way).

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

One person's unlucky roll is his opponent's lucky rollInstead of 13 quasi-reasonable attacks on Gibraltar failing, consider a single mediocre attack on Gibraltar succeeding.

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ORIGINAL: Missouri Rebel
As to a future for ASL on computer, that would really be the best. I got into that game a bit right when Hasbro was going under and bought every module for it (and duplicate copies still in shrink wrap) with the hopes of finding opponents within my group of friends. They quickly tired of the rule reading and quit their efforts after only a few infantry scenarios. Since then I have studied the rules in detail and have found that I really enjoy the system so I, for one, would greatly benefit from a computer adaptation of it.

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ORIGINAL: winky51


Ive seen in 1944 the USA fleet absolutely destroyed by the Japs or just the opposite in 1942.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

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ORIGINAL: winky51


Ive seen in 1944 the USA fleet absolutely destroyed by the Japs or just the opposite in 1942.

hmmm, that would be kind of like the ..... Battle of Midway perhaps? Even with the US intell advantage that one could have gone either way and to me has always been a good example of why we roll dice to decide a gaming battle.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: coregames

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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish
I thought I saw that this project was cancelled 2 or 3 years ago. I could be wrong.

Given how the two products, MWiF and MaWaW, might step on eachother's toes a bit, that wouldn't surprise me.

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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish
Avalon Hill was sold a couple of years later.

Interesting line of acquisition: AH > TSR > WoC > Hasbro.
Does Hasbro, GMT or Bruce Harper now own the A3R franchise? I just visited the GMT site and it's still up; Harper and GMT own AWAW at least, but does that include A3R and ERS?

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ORIGINAL: po8crg

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ORIGINAL: coregames

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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish
I thought I saw that this project was cancelled 2 or 3 years ago. I could be wrong.

Given how the two products, MWiF and MaWaW, might step on eachother's toes a bit, that wouldn't surprise me.

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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish
Avalon Hill was sold a couple of years later.

Interesting line of acquisition: AH > TSR > WoC > Hasbro.
Does Hasbro, GMT or Bruce Harper now own the A3R franchise? I just visited the GMT site and it's still up; Harper and GMT own AWAW at least, but does that include A3R and ERS?

AH was sold direct to Hasbro (by Monarch Press, its previous parent company).

SPI was bought by TSR, which was bought by WotC, which was bought by Hasbro. All the wargames, roleplaying games, etc, are gathered together in the WotC division of Hasbro.

Hasbro / WotC sublicense the rights to many of the old Avalon Hill / SPI wargames they own to various specialist companies that publish them and continue to develop them. For example, MMP license Advanced Squad Leader and the GCACW series, GMT license A3R and ERS, and then both of them have developed their own products based on those systems.

Hasbro are prepared to negotiate reasonable terms for sublicensing their AH/SPI copyrights on any games that aren't already being reprinted.

For games that AH made under licence themselves, the rights have usually reverted to their original publisher, e.g. Empires in Arms back to Australian Design Group, Civilization back to Francis Tresham.

There are a handful of games where the rights are such a mess they are unlikely ever to be reprinted, notably Advanced Civilization and 1830; for both of these, you would need licences from both Tresham and from Hasbro.

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SPI was bought by TSR, which was bought by WotC, which was bought by Hasbro. All the wargames, roleplaying games, etc, are gathered together in the WotC division of Hasbro.

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ORIGINAL: cwie

The rights to many SPI Boxed game titles were sold by TSR to Decision Games in the early 80's. DG have updated and reprinted various SPI titles over the past 20 years. SPI's flagship magazine S&T ( with a game in each issue ) has been published 6 times a year by Decision Games since the late 80's - it's been in continuous print for over 40 years.

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Any informations about adaptation of AR3 (Advanced Third Reich, I suppose) as PC game

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ORIGINAL: pzgndr

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Any informations about adaptation of AR3 (Advanced Third Reich, I suppose) as PC game

It would be great if someone/anyone would update the old Computer Third Reich PC game to current O/S and overhaul the AI. The game itself was fine except for a few bugs correctable by 3R Gold. Maybe won't be so critical when the MWiF Fascist Tide scenario is available?

I got tired of waiting and made my own A3R adaptation as a PC game, using the Strategic Command series editor with text editable AI scripting. I just posted something about this last week at General Discussion. Finding just the right balance for both Axis and Allied AI as challenging computer opponents has been tough. The scripting approach may or may not be the ideal way to do it, but it's certainly doable for the average modder and doesn't require programming skills. The MWiF LAIO approach appears solid and it will be interesting to see how it performs. After MWiF is done done, I'd love to see a similar project for A3R/WaW.

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Pzgndr I downloaded 3rd Reich from the where Welk told me to go ...what is the conclusion of where does the game lie now, with what company?

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ORIGINAL: bo
Pzgndr I downloaded 3rd Reich from the where Welk told me to go a week ago and I am enjoying it , actually was having a rather bad time from the AI until I started to remember the rules and German tactics, since then I am doing much better defeating Russia etc. but as I move on in the game I can see the very same thing that had me remove it from my computer years ago, poor AI, I am now the allies and it is winter 1942 and still Germany has not attacked Russia[?] I have not read all of the posts but what is the conclusion of where does the game lie now, with what company?
Bo

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ORIGINAL: SewerStarFish

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ORIGINAL: bo
Pzgndr I downloaded 3rd Reich from the where Welk told me to go a week ago and I am enjoying it , actually was having a rather bad time from the AI until I started to remember the rules and German tactics, since then I am doing much better defeating Russia etc. but as I move on in the game I can see the very same thing that had me remove it from my computer years ago, poor AI, I am now the allies and it is winter 1942 and still Germany has not attacked Russia[?] I have not read all of the posts but what is the conclusion of where does the game lie now, with what company?
Bo

The 3rd Reich PC game requires a DOS shell emulator to play and the AI is atrocious but man, it's the only thing tiding me over until MWif is ready.

If I play the Axis I always force myself to conquer every country on the map (yes Arabia and Ireland) before finishing the last Alllied major. Playing the Allies is even worse. Germany will not only often not attack Russia but also can occassionally decide to not attack Paris until the Allies lands in Europe. I have had several games where the last French 2-3 holds Paris against repeated attritions until I decide to land forces in Europe. Almost every game ends with huge SW advantage just crippling the inept lame AI.

But I love it.

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ORIGINAL: bo

...dont know anything about WIF's ranking.

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ORIGINAL: ETF

Here here!!

Lets face it Wif is just a ported board game......or am I missing anything? Mind you it was one of the best wargames ever made!

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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

Bo,

You are not Anti-Matrix, you just disagree with the way they run their business. You have a right to feel that way, but let it go. How many times do you want to write the same thing? It gets a little boring after the first time.

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ORIGINAL: tactician93612

With that being said, this game while still in development is going to be one of the best boardgame to PC
transitions! I am at an awe with this venture. I would like to see it as a stepping stone for Advanced
Squad Leader to be ported on to the PC platform (yeah, I know.. don't hold my breath!). Here's to hopes
and prayer's none the less. =)

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With that being said, this game while still in development is going to be one of the best boardgame to PC
transitions! I am at an awe with this venture. I would like to see it as a stepping stone for Advanced
Squad Leader to be ported on to the PC platform (yeah, I know.. don't hold my breath!). Here's to hopes
and prayer's none the less. =)

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ORIGINAL: Palle

It has been for a long time, it is called Steel Panthers, there is a WaW and a SPWWII/MBT variant from two different companies of the same old Steel panthers engine. I prefer the SPWWII/MBT one. It is a free DL from Shrapnnell Games.