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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 9:56:49 AM   
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The main warship groups will operate out of Truk because there isn't enough fuel to use them much and they might as well stay out of harms way and near the fuel source.


At risk of damage operating from nearer front you will get more miles from your fuel.


You must keep the battlefleet safe for the decisive battle!!!



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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 9:57:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		looks like fuel is a very big problem in AE for the japs even early on ?

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 10:01:27 AM   
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What happened to Nagashima ie why his rank is WO*; What does the * mean?

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 10:07:58 AM   
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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 12:32:11 PM   
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looks like fuel is a very big problem in AE for the japs even early on ?


Well, keep in mind that this particular scenario has less fuel and supply than the others, the specific purpose in this one is to restrict operations more. In the grand campaign you also as a player can choose where and when to concentrate your fuel and supplies for operations. In a theater level scenario like this one you have to take what you're given.


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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 12:58:17 PM   
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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 1:14:53 PM   
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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 4:25:47 PM   
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The main warship groups will operate out of Truk because there isn't enough fuel to use them much and they might as well stay out of harms way and near the fuel source.


At risk of damage operating from nearer front you will get more miles from your fuel.


You must keep the battlefleet safe for the decisive battle!!!



Yeah!! In two years from now or so...er... what?!

Well maybe if he waits for two years more he'll be able to get tokyo express on the job every night...
Really, a *lil'* bit more of fuel for the Japanese player in this scenario WOULDN'T hurt. Once it's over, I'll go beg Nik!

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 4:55:29 PM   
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At risk of damage operating from nearer front you will get more miles from your fuel.


Sure, but improving the "miles per gallon" ratio is not my top priority. I could camp around Ontong Java Atoll - as the Japanese did historically - but then I would be draining the fuel from the AOs. So I am choosing to keep the AOs full (they are currently milling around just NE of New Ireland) while spending zero fuel from the warships sitting at Truk. This way, I will have maximum fuel forward for the "big sortie" of the fleet.

Once AE is out, everyone else can try the scenario and display your brilliance - I'm sure I'm doing a lousey job. This is a tough scenario due to the logistical constraints - but that makes it interesting as well!



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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/6/2009 9:35:27 PM   
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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/7/2009 6:18:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's definitely enjoyable to see a scenario where one side is worried about having fuel while the other is more concerned with how long it takes to refuel. Where have I seen that before? Oh, yeah, the REAL Pacific Theatre!

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/7/2009 12:38:17 PM   
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At risk of damage operating from nearer front you will get more miles from your fuel.


Once AE is out, everyone else can try the scenario and display your brilliance - I'm sure I'm doing a lousey job.



Nay you're not. Don't commit seppuku yet admiral!!!

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/7/2009 1:18:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: String

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The main warship groups will operate out of Truk because there isn't enough fuel to use them much and they might as well stay out of harms way and near the fuel source.


At risk of damage operating from nearer front you will get more miles from your fuel.


You must keep the battlefleet safe for the decisive battle!!!



Yeah!! In two years from now or so...er... what?!

Well maybe if he waits for two years more he'll be able to get tokyo express on the job every night...
Really, a *lil'* bit more of fuel for the Japanese player in this scenario WOULDN'T hurt. Once it's over, I'll go beg Nik!


Ah it was just a reference to how the scenario manages to recreate all the problems the japanese faced quite well.

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/7/2009 4:52:59 PM   
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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/7/2009 5:31:43 PM   
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Solomons
Unescorted SBDs run into our "Rufe Ambush" over the Shortlands (see pic). Shortlands airfield is 49% done, Buka second level is 3% done.

New Britain
Gasmata airfield is 31% done.

Papua
Apparently we cannot send 2xAPD to Finschhaven in one TF and have them unload in time to avoid day time airstrikes - so we will go back to sending just one. We had one APD bombed by B-26s.

Supply

Tass 600 with about 20% in the units
Rekata Bay 700
Shortlands 7500
Buka 3300

Rabaul 38000s 15000f
Gasmata 900

Finschhaven 2600
Lae 1400
Buna 1100

Planning
Operator error - did bad load on amphib TF at Truk now unloading so I can reload. One 2ID Regt is loaded and will proceed to holding area at Kavieng. Also loading third pair of AO at Truk. Bottomline loading for the Milne Bay Op has begun.

Here is pic of the Great Shortlands Bunny Shoot!




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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/8/2009 1:06:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have any plans to utilize Woodlark Island? In Witp, I saw it as a pretty vital base for recon and overall control over the Coral Sea... Is it still valuable, or has it's base size been nerfed in AE?
Thanks for the AAR.

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/8/2009 1:21:44 AM   
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Solomons
At Shortlands the SBDs are trying their hand at night bombing - our Rufe's are resting

Papua
The single APD run to Finschhaven was unmolested this turn.

Planning
One regiment of the 2ID is aboard transports heading towards Kavieng to wait. The flubbed loaded group is still unloading at Truk. We will do a re-load of these guys and start them South before starting to load the guys at Rabaul.

As to the question about Woodlark - in the campaign game the SPS will be different than in this scenario - in this scenario the SPS of many bases start at 0(0), 0(0) to channel the action along historical lines. Woodlark could be used as a seaplane/floatplane base - and in another playing of the scenario - I might try that - but I would expect it to attract a lot of negative attention.



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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/8/2009 1:55:40 AM   
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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/8/2009 1:56:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Question about the naming of units...

The South Seas Det/Horii Force had elements of 55 Inf Div.:
  HQ, 55th Inf. Grp (MGen Horii)
     144th Inf Rgt COL Kusonose
     I Bn/55th Mnt Arty
    3d Co/55th Cav Rgt (+ AT Gun Pl)
    1st C0./55th EN Rgt
  Co./47th  AA Bn
  Det/Med Unit/55th Inf Div
  Det/1st Fild Hosp/55th Inf Div
  Det/Water Supply Unit/55th Inf Div
  5th Co(+) Maizuri 2d SNLF

In the AARs you've show us, I see separate targets like the Mtn Gun and EN element,  and the Horii  Force.  I'm confused.  Do you have separate  elements/units  dintinctly different than the Horii Force or what?  Theoretically, one the one hand, you could have an HQ for the SS Det plus separate units for its parts, to facility recombining later with the 55th Div (somewhere in SE Asia by now), but on the other hand, I think it would be awkward to have div artillery at a bn level, and eng. at the co. level.  A screen shot of the SS Det might help me understand this a bit better.

Second, the Kure force at Tassafaronga should be a SNLF, not a Nav Gd. unit. 

THESE ARE NOT COMPLAINTS OR GRIPES!!!  Just a grognard curious about the units in the game.  You and Nik are doing a great job with these AARs and I, for one, greatly appreciate your time and effort. 

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/8/2009 2:26:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The representation of Horii Force in our S004 is that of a "mini-division". So there is a "division HQ" called "Horii Force, commanded by MG Horii himself, and then a pile of units which are sub-ordinate to this HQ. Basically everthing that starts at or within one hex of Buna.

The arrival schedule of units in S004 is not strictly historical - the changes were made with much gnashing of teeth - but Nik made the final decisions. We actually went through all this back in the days when we developed the scenario for stock. The trade-offs were precise historical units and arrival times on the one hand - versus - a more accurate presentation of the historical commanders fears and expectations - on both sides - on the other hand.

The Aussies at PM thought the Japanese forces comming at them in July could perhaps take PM - the Japanese driving towards PM - or at least their bosses - though THEY could take PM. By accelerating the arrival of the Japanese forces at bit, these expectations are more accurately modeled - the realities of the troops on the ground less so.

Game or Simulation design is much about the trade-offs between more accuractely modeling one aspect while less accurately modeling another. GuadMod tried very hard to make all of the key decisions KNOWN to the modeler (nik) so that the trade off decisions would be INFORMED decisions. My role was historical research and play tester. Nik's was historical research and scenario designer.

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/8/2009 6:27:48 AM   
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More SBD night attacks against Shortlands - our Rufe's go up to greet them - no runs - no hits - no errors - on either side. We are 55% towards the airfield. Tass has 747 Supply. We made our first single DD fast transport run down to Tass this turn.

New Britain
We have begun loading the 4xSNLF at Rabaul. One Regiment of the 2ID is aboard transports at Kavieng.

Truk
We formed up our six carrier groups - each one has a BB as well - 89 ships total - 5 groups of 15 ships each - and one group of 14 - this will be the "big lunge" of the scenario. We will head South off New Ireland to rendevous with the oilers there. Even if some ships survive it would take a month to regroup and another month to build up enough fuel to do anything. So maybe a final wiggle in Jan 43 at best. This Op will be the show.





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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/8/2009 8:09:44 AM   
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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/8/2009 4:04:48 PM   
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Solomons
Same SBD vs Rufe night battles over Shortlands - no hits by either side.

New Britain/Ireland
The carriers refueled off NW New Ireland and will stage down to the area North of Buka. We want to appear to be heading towards Lunga for as long as possible.

Papua
We see the 30 Bde still rushing through the jungle towards Milne Bay - with our luck they will probably arrive just in the "Nik" of time.

Planning
Our Amphibious elements will depart Rabaul and Kavieng and head towards Shortlands - this reinforce the idea that we are heading towards Lunga.

However, we see the American carriers in the Eastern center of the Coral Sea, so they are positioned farther West than we would like (see pic). Also we see Allied shipping at Milne Bay. This is the second "large" delivery we've spotted at Milne Bay, so counting 30 Bde, we could be facing 4 Brigades at Milne Bay by the time we get there. Our four SNLFs and one regiment will be likely to evaporate in the face of such opposition.

We staged the recon planes down to Lae and Rabaul and will start increasing the DL at Milne Bay this turn. Also we staged a "spare" A6M2 unit down to Rabaul and will start to "weed" the CAP over Milne Bay as well.






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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/9/2009 5:57:22 AM   
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Small Allied surface force bombarded Shortlands, looks like they got luck and damaged one Jake and destroyed two Rufe!

Planning
Our carriers and Amphibs will move in accordance with the red and orange lines. We will send two DD in to Milne Bay to determine what is there. We will send a zero units to sweep the skies above Milne Bay. If we are not destroyed by USN carriers this turn we will begin the approach to Milne Bay next turn.

Here is our high level fleet org for the six carrier TFs:

Unyo (9Z, 16V), Mutsu, 5 CX, 8 DD
Zuiho (18Z, 6K), Hiei, 2 CX, 10 DD
Ryujo (24Z, 12 K), Kirishima, 2 CX, 11 DD
Junyo (18Z, 27V, 6K), Yamato, 5 CX, 8 DD
Shok (27Z, 27V, 18K), Kongo, 6 CX, 7 DD
Zuik (27Z, 27V, 18K), Haruna, 6 CX, 7 DD

123Z, 99V, 60K (282 carrier planes total)






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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/9/2009 9:26:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Who's gonna provide fire support for the landing? Do you plan on mixing some CVL TFs to do the job and get your BBs together?

As long as you're still in range of Rabaul, you shouldn't hesitate to CAP your TF with the Zeroes - you can always sweep whatever you want over Milne Bay once you'll have got rid of the US carriers.
The same way, I often load Rufes aboard Nisshin and Chitose so they can lend a hand. Frankly, the more Zeroes you have over the fleet, the better you feel...

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/9/2009 11:20:29 AM   
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This AAR really is fine marketing!


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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/9/2009 12:04:49 PM   
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Solomons
Small Allied surface force bombarded Shortlands, looks like they got luck and damaged one Jake and destroyed two Rufe!

Planning
Our carriers and Amphibs will move in accordance with the red and orange lines. We will send two DD in to Milne Bay to determine what is there. We will send a zero units to sweep the skies above Milne Bay. If we are not destroyed by USN carriers this turn we will begin the approach to Milne Bay next turn.

Here is our high level fleet org for the six carrier TFs:

Unyo (9Z, 16V), Mutsu, 5 CX, 8 DD
Zuiho (18Z, 6K), Hiei, 2 CX, 10 DD
Ryujo (24Z, 12 K), Kirishima, 2 CX, 11 DD
Junyo (18Z, 27V, 6K), Yamato, 5 CX, 8 DD
Shok (27Z, 27V, 18K), Kongo, 6 CX, 7 DD
Zuik (27Z, 27V, 18K), Haruna, 6 CX, 7 DD

123Z, 99V, 60K (282 carrier planes total)








What is a CX? Cruiser?

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/9/2009 12:10:04 PM   
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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/9/2009 1:44:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a point studying ww2 all my life and to see CV.BB.BC.CA.CL.DD.DE.SS.PB.PT....is normal for me...but in this game there are many more i am not use to.I would like to see when you go to a ship you see its full Type stated here ,now you have type in top left corner BB then Class .I would love to see this replaced only in this view. it could be say BB.Battleship class Ise to make it clear what type of ship it is at a glance.There are many ship types and i am shore many do not know what they are!(going to the list in the manual does not cut it for me)oh yes this AAR is co0l keep it up.

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RE: Guad Mod - AE Scenario 4 - AAR - No Nik - 6/9/2009 2:22:59 PM   
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