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Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 1:25:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was going through my dad's old photos and found this postage stamp sized picture. His caption read "The B-29 that dropped the 1st atomic bomb. That's me or Swanfield besides it. I'm not sure but use a magnifying glass to enlarge." Thought I would share it with all on the forum this memorial day.




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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 2:04:53 PM   
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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 2:50:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, My dad was stationed at Tinian during the war. He took a slew of photos which I just started going through. I'll post some of the local color photos and other materials in this string in the future. Any comments are welcome.

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 3:06:37 PM   
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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 3:08:25 PM   
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Nice...it always makes me wonder what other treasures are tucked away in closets that have yet to be discovered.




You never know. At one Naval museum I worked (Bremmerton) we used to get boxes whenever someone cleaned out the basement. One day I recieved a photobook of sepia prints from the twenties that had belonged to someones grandfather. Besides some incredibly good war game shots , there were photo's of four pipers . When I checked the date of the photo's , then the destroyer's hull numbers , I relized that these photo's were taken the week before the same DD's went up on the rocks of Honda. Another box I was inventoring simply said "Naval Flags". When I looked at the very warn and dirty signal flags , I found nothing special, till I found a note that read "USS Pennsylvania, Dec.7, 1941. " I used to find stuff like that all the time that people were about to throw out.

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 3:08:48 PM   
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Thanks, My dad was stationed at Tinian during the war. He took a slew of photos which I just started going through. I'll post some of the local color photos and other materials in this string in the future. Any comments are welcome.


Looking forward to this!

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 3:24:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ravincravin

I was going through my dad's old photos and found this postage stamp sized picture. His caption read "The B-29 that dropped the 1st atomic bomb. That's me or Swanfield besides it. I'm not sure but use a magnifying glass to enlarge." Thought I would share it with all on the forum this memorial day.






Great pic...Thank you for sharing......

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 4:08:39 PM   
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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 4:10:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow...look at the runway. It looks like they just piled 18 inch of crushed coral on top of the soil.

Can you imagine all the solvents and tire dust and petroleum products that run right into the ocean every time in rains. I wonder how long it took to get the EIR through.

Also, how did they get a prop blade pointing exactly vertical on all 4 engines? Does that happen as a result of some mechanical mecahnism or luck or did some ground crewman turn the props manually or electrically when the engines were stopped??

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 4:23:56 PM   
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Wow...look at the runway. It looks like they just piled 18 inch of crushed coral on top of the soil.

Can you imagine all the solvents and tire dust and petroleum products that run right into the ocean every time in rains. I wonder how long it took to get the EIR through.

Also, how did they get a prop blade pointing exactly vertical on all 4 engines? Does that happen as a result of some mechanical mecahnism or luck or did some ground crewman turn the props manually or electrically when the engines were stopped??


I can't speak for 1945, but it is normal today (at least in the Navy) to "dress the props", that is line them up so that the blade at least in part covers the intake. It wouldn't matter on the radial engines of a B-29, but it would still "look nice".

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 7:24:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		My dad served on B-29s out of Tinian, but alas no pictures and the memories are fading.  He's a frail 87 now.

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 7:36:17 PM   
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Thanks for taking time to post the picture.

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 10:21:40 PM   
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Wow...look at the runway. It looks like they just piled 18 inch of crushed coral on top of the soil.

Can you imagine all the solvents and tire dust and petroleum products that run right into the ocean every time in rains. I wonder how long it took to get the EIR through.

Also, how did they get a prop blade pointing exactly vertical on all 4 engines? Does that happen as a result of some mechanical mechanism or luck or did some ground crewman turn the props manually or electrically when the engines were stopped??


Radial engines collect oil in the lower cylinders and the engine starts better if the prop is turned a few times by hand before starting the engine. This pumps some of the oil up to the upper cylinders. B-29s had the largest engines deployed up to that point and the engines were marginal enough already, so hand cranking the props were a fairly standard procedure for the ground crew. They probably left the props in one, known position so it was obvious that the props had been turned.

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/25/2009 11:52:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ravincravin

I was going through my dad's old photos and found this postage stamp sized picture. His caption read "The B-29 that dropped the 1st atomic bomb. That's me or Swanfield besides it. I'm not sure but use a magnifying glass to enlarge." Thought I would share it with all on the forum this memorial day.







Nice Picture.

I'm not sure what memorial day is, is it the Victims of the Atomic Bomb we remember or the ones who dropped it ?



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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 12:00:45 AM   
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Memorial Day is a United States federal holiday observed on the last Monday of May (May 25 in 2009). Formerly known as Decoration Day, it commemorates U.S. men and women who died while in the military service. First enacted to honor Union soldiers of the American Civil War (it is celebrated near the day of reunification after the Civil War), it was expanded after World War I to include American casualties of any war or military action.


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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 1:27:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ravincravin

I was going through my dad's old photos and found this postage stamp sized picture. His caption read "The B-29 that dropped the 1st atomic bomb. That's me or Swanfield besides it. I'm not sure but use a magnifying glass to enlarge." Thought I would share it with all on the forum this memorial day.







Nice Picture.

I'm not sure what memorial day is, is it the Victims of the Atomic Bomb we remember or the ones who dropped it ?



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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 2:24:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think he means "Do you honor the somewhere between 11 and 23 American POWs who were held prisoner in Hiroshima when the bomb was dropped." - probably the best translation IMHO.

Yes, Japan, we do...but I do not consider them victims of the bomb...I consider them heros who gave all.

Thanks for reminding me of them...had to do some research on that one. Seems there would have been more but the Japanese army moved some of them away for some sort of testing.





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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 2:25:41 AM   
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Nice...it always makes me wonder what other treasures are tucked away in closets that have yet to be discovered.




You never know. At one Naval museum I worked (Bremmerton) we used to get boxes whenever someone cleaned out the basement. One day I recieved a photobook of sepia prints from the twenties that had belonged to someones grandfather. Besides some incredibly good war game shots , there were photo's of four pipers . When I checked the date of the photo's , then the destroyer's hull numbers , I relized that these photo's were taken the week before the same DD's went up on the rocks of Honda. Another box I was inventoring simply said "Naval Flags". When I looked at the very warn and dirty signal flags , I found nothing special, till I found a note that read "USS Pennsylvania, Dec.7, 1941. " I used to find stuff like that all the time that people were about to throw out.


What do they do with that sort of stuff?

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 2:34:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Knavey

Nice...it always makes me wonder what other treasures are tucked away in closets that have yet to be discovered.




You never know. At one Naval museum I worked (Bremmerton) we used to get boxes whenever someone cleaned out the basement. One day I received a photo book of sepia prints from the twenties that had belonged to someones grandfather. Besides some incredibly good war game shots , there were photo's of four pipers . When I checked the date of the photo's , then the destroyer's hull numbers , I realized that these photo's were taken the week before the same DD's went up on the rocks of Honda. Another box I was inventorying simply said "Naval Flags". When I looked at the very warn and dirty signal flags , I found nothing special, till I found a note that read "USS Pennsylvania, Dec.7, 1941. " I used to find stuff like that all the time that people were about to throw out.


What do they do with that sort of stuff?


That's the problem. At the Bremmerton Museum, I cataloged the stuff , made people aware of what we had, then prayed that someday we would have room to display it. The problem is modern museums don't like to display artifacts, they want hd displays , interactive games and gee-whiz tech-no-gadgets. Artifacts take time, preservation , space , and most of all, money. And most important of all, public awareness and public concern.

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 12:15:27 PM   
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I never knew anything about this US day, and as it was called "Memorial Day" I figured it could mean anything, but obviously something people was suppose to remembering or think about. I guess i should have looked at Wiki instead of asking.  Anyway thanks for the help.





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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 1:59:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the comments. To continue, I have an aerial view of a picture without any comments. Judging by the size of the island I think it is Tinian, not Saipan. My best guess is that this pic was taken sometime in ’44 or early ’45.

When I was flying over to my duty station, we stopped in Okinawa which was said to be a concrete island but I think this one beats it.





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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 2:08:55 PM   
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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 2:16:04 PM   
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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 2:35:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the link. Try http://northernmarianas.50webs.com/ then click on Tinian.

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 2:48:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		http://www.airdaleamericanhistory.com/ProjectMarianasHome.html For your entertainment. I found the Guam section personally interesting , as I lived there from 1998 to early 2001. I lived on Nimitz hill and worked at the Military museum in old Sumay at "Big Navy". A really facinating place.

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 2:51:57 PM   
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I was going through my dad's old photos and found this postage stamp sized picture. His caption read "The B-29 that dropped the 1st atomic bomb. That's me or Swanfield besides it. I'm not sure but use a magnifying glass to enlarge." Thought I would share it with all on the forum this memorial day.



Cool pic. I'm hoping to get a closeup look at a B-29 under restoration at the Boeing Museum one of these days.



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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 3:06:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ravincravin

I was going through my dad's old photos and found this postage stamp sized picture. His caption read "The B-29 that dropped the 1st atomic bomb. That's me or Swanfield besides it. I'm not sure but use a magnifying glass to enlarge." Thought I would share it with all on the forum this memorial day.



Unless they have moved it, it belongs to the Museum of flight, and their restoration center is Paine Field. It won't go to the Museum's main site at Boeing field till it's finished. (I could be all wet , as I haven't been there for two years).
Cool pic. I'm hoping to get a closeup look at a B-29 under restoration at the Boeing Museum one of these days.





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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/26/2009 3:18:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		You may be right. GF unit and I were purusing both websites last nite planning next weekend's visit to Paine Field. Gonna be awesome. They have an A6M3 and an I-16 among other specimens. Gonna take some phot-ows!

here's the link:

http://www.flyingheritage.com/

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RE: Enola Gay at Tinian personal photo - 5/27/2009 12:40:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the great web links guys. Interestingly enough, today I just took Guam in the game I currently am playing. Visiting these websites makes playing WitP even more rewarding and enriches the experience. I never had the pleasure of visiting the Pacific besides flying over it to be stationed in Korea during the Viet Nam war era. It's something I wish I could have done.

A little known fact. When I was a kid a built a flying model of the Boeing P-31 "Peashooter". The P-31 was the only pursuit fighter that Boeing ever built and I believe it was the first all metal fighter. They were phased out just about the time the 2nd World War started.

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Jake's Jalopy - 5/27/2009 1:50:15 AM   
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The rows are inverted as the front is really the back, etc.

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