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Extremely Effective Japanese Subs - 5/28/2002 2:29:35 AM

EDDUNN115

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I've conducted very heavy ASW ops around Noumea with both air and sea assets. To date, I've had at least 6-10 sub chasers and destroyers sent to the bottom to no losses to the Japanese. Given the large ASW taskforces, the results seem to be lopsided! Can the subs effectiveness be tweeked down in a patch or make hopefully for PACWAR?

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- 5/28/2002 10:20:10 PM

David Heath

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I would check your crews ratings. If they are low you chould try some shakedown operations to raise your crews ratings. More can be found in the manual.

David

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Also... - 5/28/2002 10:35:53 PM

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You may already be doing this, but combining some low altitude ASW patrols with aggressive Surface Combat TFs set on Patrol/React will generally give you the best results against subs.

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- 5/29/2002 12:06:01 AM

juliet7bravo

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My first full run through of scenario #17, playing as Allied, historical, full realism ect...

By mid-June '42 I lost 12 SC's, 4 DD's, and 3 PG's in ASW ops around Numea, not to mentioning sending 4-6 DD's back to Pearl after being badly damaged. If the DD's hadn't been hit very close to Noumea, so I could immediately rotate them to Pearl, they probably would have sank as well. Didn't sink or badly damage a single IJN sub BTW.

In the same time frame, I lost every "S" class sub to IJN ASW. Simple story...IJN sub meets USN, USN dies. USN sub meets IJN, USN sub dies. Literally, I didn't have a single "S" class sub survive its first contact with an IJN ASW capable ship of any type. As soon as you see the "attacks with Type 95 DC" message show, you can write off another sub.

The only effective USN ASW weapon I've found is to chase the IJN subs with DM's and drop mines on them...IJN subs appear to have a "magnetic attraction" (har har) to mines. By July I'd sank 4 IJN subs with mines.

I tried SC TF's set in every combo of SC's, DD's, and PG's. I tried sitting offshore on patrols to gain experience. I've seen little improvement in experience, period. Even ASW ships that are part of a SC TF that's been attacked don't seem to gain much (if any) experience.

I've yet to see a single attack by AC on a sub of either side. I've tried loading bases where I know there's IJN subs with PBY's, Bostons, and B-17's set on ASW. They find the subs, but never attack.

Something isn't right. There's a trade off point between over effective ASW and the survivability of the ASW platform. I don't neccesarily think the USN ASW ships should be more effective sub killers at low experience levels, but they should at least have a hope of surviving long enough to gain enough experience to be effective. I don't even bother using SC's any more, they sit in the ports at Noumea and Brisbane.

Also...the USN subs are too effective against shipping (before they get killed). Trade off there that needs tweaked as well.

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Why your subs all died... - 5/30/2002 8:16:23 AM

JohnK

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I'll bet big $$$ that you sent all your S class subs to bases or coastal hexes......

I did that and I lost all of mine, too. Reviewed the manual and noticed they said subs have trouble escaping in coastal hexes.

So the Japanese sit there and lob DCs at you till you die.

I started putting the subs in open water areas on known Japanese routes, and got fewer contacts, but the Japanese haven't even HIT one of my subs with DCs yet..they fire 1-2 and the encounter is over.

Just stop sending subs to Truk, Rabaul, Shortland, etc.....put them a hex or two OUTSIDE of those places.

Notice all the Japanese subs are all in open ocean areas, not coastal ones?

However, I agree the complete worthlessness of aircraft, and the helpless slaughter of sub chasers and whatnot, against subs, is a problem.

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