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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/20/2009 10:37:01 PM   
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I noticed this post flipped the thread to a new page, for the beginning of this 2 year report click here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2170922

Anyways, this income report isnt entirely accurate. My expenses for the turn arent deducted from the Money, population consumption of food isnt taken into account, and strangely my wool income is reported only as the amount left over after textile consumption. This game has many odd inconsistencies like that, but its still a really good game, so I force myself to get over it.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/20/2009 10:41:37 PM   
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Ive done a surprisingly good job keeping up with military expansion on the Continent. Right now as you can see from the overview I am roughly the same size in total land forces as most of the other continental powers, yet I retain a substantial qualative edge and likely will till end game.

In order to have a long term presence on the Continent I will need to continue my planned military buildup without interruption and also hopefully make at least 1 friend on the mainland.

Sidenote: If my Continental presence proves unsustainable thats OK too, at this point its kind of a bonus for however long I can keep it, and given the 80,000 "free" troops from Hanover and Denmark, I can put up a good fight for it if necessary.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/20/2009 11:52:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Mus,

Here's a quick question for you after seeing you mention Sweden: Does Sweden have any chance for winning the game given their weak strategic position and weak armies? Does the Swedish player get easier victory conditions via house rules? It does seem, on initial appearances, like a tough row to hoe for the Swedish player given their expansion options. Granted I've only had the game for 2 days so my newbie question could be completely ridiculous.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/21/2009 12:46:22 AM   
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Hey Mus,

Here's a quick question for you after seeing you mention Sweden: Does Sweden have any chance for winning the game given their weak strategic position and weak armies? Does the Swedish player get easier victory conditions via house rules? It does seem, on initial appearances, like a tough row to hoe for the Swedish player given their expansion options. Granted I've only had the game for 2 days so my newbie question could be completely ridiculous.


IMO, they have no chance of coming in first in a multiplayer environment like this. To get in the upper half of the standings with a country like Sweden (or Turkey for that matter) would be a real achievement or luck in making the right alliances. Several players wanted to bid for countries and then start the game with glory penalties reflecting the bids for the more powerful nations to give a more level playing field but several other players were opposed.

I think some kind of community developed bidding system is needed for game balance purposes.

Certain countries are so small or have other disadvantages (Sweden and Turkey mainly) that I think they have very little chance of winning a multiplayer game with a historical starting scenario.

There is a fictional "balanced" scenario for multiplayer use, but have never played it.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/21/2009 4:57:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the response Mus. The bidding system is a brilliant way to solve the unbalanced nature of some of the scenarios. Best of luck with the rest of your match.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/22/2009 6:29:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately this game will be on hold for at least a few days. Matto, our Austrian player in this game, has suffered some computer hardware failures and will need some time to get back up and running.

See you guys in a few.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/26/2009 1:19:35 PM   
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According to a player that responded in my thread, Light Infantry upgrade is a requirement for Rifle Infanty and they can be built at 7 barracks. So I will be purchasing that upgrade ASAP to find out if thats the case.

Crossing fingers.


Sorry about the bad advice. I only started playing the 1792 scenario last weekend and that's when I noticed barracks 7 and the light infantry upgrade wasn't allowing me to purchase rifle infantry.

Did you actually get the danish fleet when it became your protectorate? I've had holland and denamrk as protectorate's in the 1792 scenario and never got any fleets? I even checked the units list and didn't see them.

In the current 1792 scenario holland is independent and I see the dutch fleet in the mediterranean.......if someone else get's it.

Try building a guard or 2. They seem to help in quick combat. 190k french barely defeated 325k austrians at the successful siege of vienna in 1795.

I wonder if the morale bonus guards give to surrounding troops applies to quick combat.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/27/2009 12:50:08 AM   
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Sorry about the bad advice. I only started playing the 1792 scenario last weekend and that's when I noticed barracks 7 and the light infantry upgrade wasn't allowing me to purchase rifle infantry.

Did you actually get the danish fleet when it became your protectorate? I've had holland and denamrk as protectorate's in the 1792 scenario and never got any fleets? I even checked the units list and didn't see them.

In the current 1792 scenario holland is independent and I see the dutch fleet in the mediterranean.......if someone else get's it.

Try building a guard or 2. They seem to help in quick combat. 190k french barely defeated 325k austrians at the successful siege of vienna in 1795.

I wonder if the morale bonus guards give to surrounding troops applies to quick combat.


Not a big deal. I had been thinking of not making any Light Infantry this game, but now that I know I cant get Rifle Infantry until after 1800, LI seems the way to go.

Naw, Im not going to be building Guards this game. I have a theory that they arent much worth it in quick combat because they too readily lose their Guard status.

So my plan is to build several light infantry and replace my lowest 2 morale regular infantry with Rifle Infantry much later in the scenario when they are available.

Also, in lieu of a real "Guards" unit I do have 2 infantry units with the "Legendary Grenadiers" upgrades which is basically meant to model the same kind of elite troops in a less concentrated fashion. Legendary Grenadiers gives units bigtime QC bonuses.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/27/2009 3:43:52 AM   
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Not a big deal. I had been thinking of not making any Light Infantry this game, but now that I know I cant get Rifle Infantry until after 1800, LI seems the way to go.


I like light infantry in detailed combat, but in quick combat with -1 assualt and +2 counterassault(doesn't apply against arty) I'm not sure if light infantry are worth the textiles.

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Naw, Im not going to be building Guards this game. I have a theory that they arent much worth it in quick combat because they too readily lose their Guard status.


Are you saying guards in quick combat become pow's easily?
I think the only way guards lose their guard status is if they become pow's. I've seen guards with 8.0 morale take 4.5 morale replacements from the draft pool and not drop below 8.0 morale. Unlike what happens with other units where taking replacements when their morale is above 4.5 causes their morale to drop,





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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/27/2009 3:51:08 AM   
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I like light infantry in detailed combat, but in quick combat with -1 assualt and +2 counterassault(doesn't apply against arty) I'm not sure if light infantry are worth the textiles.


They still beat normal infantry (especially considering that +2 counterassault means a stronger hit back at any unit that attacks them) and as Great Britain when you consider the very small size of your army I think they might be worth it.

I have such high textile production I wont be hurting because of this. I recently produced a diplomat in this game just to avoid consuming textiles for morale purposes.

I plan on building 2 Heavy Artillery units, 2 Lancers, a Horse Artillery and a Heavy Cavalry first though.

Whatever infantry I build will be to slowly increase the size of my corps as the game goes on, using surplus textiles. The Army and Corps structure of my military is almost totally established.

Really the thing slowing me down is the Iron production necessary. More than 600 just for the Heavy Artillery units. I have more than 400 right now.

Check some of my AAR pages on my imports/exports to see the kinds of trade deals I have managed to secure with other players. Like I said earlier in the AAR, initially I had wanted to experiment with not getting LI as Britain. Finding out Riflemen arent available till 1800 changed my mind, even if I hadnt been fooled into buying LI doctrine as a result of your bad advice.



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Are you saying guards in quick combat become pow's easily?


Nope, Im saying I have seen them revert to normal infantry after taking a big morale hit in a losing battle. Losing a quick combat and taking big losses in combination seems to do it pretty regularly in our PBEMS.

Also, the British seem to be the worst country to buy a Guard with if you dont start the game with them. So many of their units start with morale at a level that cant be obtained or maintained through combat experience and high quality replacements it seems a shame to lower them a big chunk for one measly unit.

Especially considering how fragile Guard status is in PBEM.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/30/2009 2:20:51 AM   
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This turn is mostly just looking at where the game left off and making sure everything is still ok.

I start a new barracks in Midlands. This will allow me to build high quality troops here as well if needed, including horse artillery with a good fast build time because of the combination of barracks and factories. It will also boost my land experience gained every quarter. I start new banks in Anglia and Wales to increase my income some more.

Send a few trade deals to the Turks that we had discussed in the lengthy downtime between T23 and T24. Turks want to trade cotton for money and textiles for iron. These trades suit me well as I can ramp up production of British domestic iron fairly easily and I need more cotton and textiles for all the specialized units and diplomats I plan on building.

Austria declared war on Saxony this turn. I think this was a move to try to push some of the german minors into Prussian hands. Dont know if that will work very well though because Prussia and Austria are allied.

I subsidize Prussia and Spain this turn, 25 money each.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 7/31/2009 7:35:17 AM   
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Send a few more trades to Turkey, iron for textiles. Also send an enforced peace to Prussia and an enforced alliance offer to Turkey.

Spain and Austria are jumped out to an early Glory lead but thats largely illusory. One bad war for them and their Glory leads will evaporate. Prussia and France are the real long military and glory threats IME.

Picking my friends in this game is tricky.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/1/2009 3:24:41 AM   
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Not much of a turn for me.

I basically just double check all my labor sliders to ensure things are on track and make sure nothing is falling apart unnoticed.

I send out some subsidies.

Next turn I will have enough Labor stockpiled to start my first Heavy Artillery.

In behind the scenes negotiations I manage to secure an alliance with Maestro06, the Sultan of Turkey.

Turkey doesnt start the game very powerful militarily, but I know with enough time to develop Turkey can be quite a thorn in the side of Austria and/or Russia , plus the mutually beneficially trade situation could use a more firm foundation for continued positive relations.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/4/2009 1:45:50 AM   
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Trade and economy.

I secured some more textile for iron and cotton for money trades with Maestro, as I may have mentioned before, so my production and intake of textiles totals 28 a turn.

I finish production of my first "super-diplomat" and send him to the Continent, renaming him Smithers.

I start production of my first Heavy Artillery unit in York. I hope to start a Lancer in Anglia soon as well, as soon as I have sufficient textiles. 1-2 more turns I think. Originally I was going to build simple light cavalry for my infantry corps, but my textile production is now so high I might as well field the superior unit. Lancers perform better in QC and are better for scouting and pursuit and withdrawal scores, although I still dont know precisely how that works.

Diplomacy.

My alliance with the Ottomans goes into effect this turn.

Prussia still has a weird attitude towards me. I offered to allow them to take control of Hesse unopposed (right now I am maligning and subsidizing) and trade Brunswick for Mecklenburg and 10 colonies. That is him taking 2 provinces and receiving 30,000 Hessian troops of good quality without further opposition and me receiving 1 province and 10 colonies. No dice, he doesnt budge.

I am not really sure what Prussian strategy is at this point. If my position on the Continent becomes untenable I can always withdraw behind my fleets and abandon it. Prussia is not in the same boat, if you will pardon the pun. Both countries positions become more difficult without positive relations, but his more so, so I dont understand the attitude and strategy.

He has countless times accused me of "bullying" when I act in my self interest, even at times when his actions inadvertently gave me some benefit, like when Brunswick became my protectorate automatically after his failed coup attempt.

Prussia might mistakenly believe he can trust the Austrians and the French. Also, being an inexperienced player, he may not correctly value British friendship. In all my PBEM games I have noticed how beneficial a Prussian/British friendship is - to both parties- but particularly to the Prussians. It might also be a case of him getting bad advise from other players to their benefit and his detriment.

All the same he at least signed my enforced peace agreement, averting any immediate chance of war.

Military.

All my units are full strength and range in quality from 4 to 6.5 morale. I have an army of roughly equal size to the other major powers. This will not last forever, but my edge in morale quality and my large number of specialized units should be retainable.

My British forces, 1st Army, are in garrison in Anglia, Devon and Hampshire to save money. My 2nd Army, containing the Hanover and Danish Corps, is in the vicinity of Holstein on maneuvers. I am seriously contemplating placing a division of infantry each in Holstein and Zeeland to heavily garrison those superfortresses. While this would reduce my maneuver force on the Continent I dont feel this force along is sufficient for offensive operations anyways, and if an offensive was launched against Hanover and Denmakr would wait for reinforcements from the British Isles.

I was glad to be able to secure my alliance with Turkey. This provides a strategic depth to the power dynamic between Britain and any coalition of nations in central Europe that threatens me.

The player for Turkey, Maestro06, has real life experience in military matters that make him a valuable ally and a good wargamer. He has a good strategic and economic grasp and is quickly turning Turkey around using the money from trades with Britain. Turkey also has the second largest cash reserve in the game at the moment.

His military is also one of the largest if not THE largest, although he wisely has them split up into small corps and put into garrison to reduce costs, so it may not be apparent to other powers.

He has fully implemented a corps system and has a number of Nizam-i-Cedid units fielded and is working on his overall morale situation. He has a field force well in excess of 300,000 men, of which he has stated around 250,000 would be available for offensive operations, the rest needed for the defense of sensitive areas. Although of mixed quality(Nizam-i-Cedid are almost like guards in morale, the rest of his infantry is under 3 for the time being), this is still a very large and potent force capable of swiftly marching on, for example, Vienna, and knocking Austria out of a war if Austria had its forces concentrated against me.

On the other side of the coin, if Russia or some other power attacked Turkey I would raise hell with my navy and could land Corps well in their rear once they had committed their armies to the Turkish front.

I think its a good defensive arrangement for parties, and lays a firmer foundation for our continued trade.

I would like to be able to come to a similar arrangement with Prussia, but he has a weird sense of entitlement so that every move in my self interest has served to offend him in some way.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/4/2009 5:44:29 AM   
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Not much of a turn.

I start building a Lancer in Anglia. I increase labor production because my labor resource is critically low and I will soon need labor as I have several developments between 1 and 3 turns from completion, plus I want to start my second Heavy Artillery unit as soon as I have sufficient Iron.

I send an agreement to Prussia as follows:

Britain will respect the neutrality of Hesse.

Britain will cede Brunswick to Prussia.

Prussia will cede Mecklenburg to Britain.

Prussia will cede 10 colony units to Britain.

I entitle the treaty A Fresh Start. I dont know if Prussia will accept this treaty or not, but its my last attempt in the short term to make nice with Prussia. This arrangement would almost guarantee that they get Hesse, give them Brunswick and give me Mecklenburg and 10 colonies to make up for the lost empire points. It would also make our respective territory nice and compact and contiguous.

I was fiddling with my sliders and I may be able to get my textile production/importation combined to over 30 textiles a turn. The next unit I produce to consume a lot of textiles will either be a 2nd Lancer or a 2nd Super Diplomat.

I think I may build up my courts some more in Anglia before I build another Diplomat. My last one came out with 60/40/60 Espionage/Influence/Legal. At least one and maybe two more level of courts may be in order.

Spanish operations in the Med picqued my curiousity this month. Portugal proved to be a sticking point in earlier negotiations with Spain. Both powers want Portugal. I would prefer Portugal as a protectorate. My mob limit is really low and this would give me another really nice Corps that doesnt count against that

Spain is bringing back a large Army that it had originally dispatched to Italy. I am not sure the purpose of the expedition. Maybe he intended to invade a minor in Italy but ended up backing down in negotiations with some other power or perhaps it was intended as a show of force in a similar situation? Who knows? Some of the troops being brought back were also involved in the earlier Spanish conquest of North Africa unless I am mistaken.

Here is a screenshot, note the bulk of the Spanish fleet at anchorage and 2 of my 4 front line fleets offshore in the Med:






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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/7/2009 11:30:21 PM   
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Not much happens. My barracks in York is completed and a farm in Aberdeen. I start another barracks in York and a road in Aberdeen. Over the next couple turns several developments will be completed so I continue to produce lots of extra labor.

My textile production this turn was 29. With some trades that went through this turn I should hit 30 next turn.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/10/2009 8:41:50 AM   
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Prussia counteroffers a straight across Mecklenberg for Brunswick deal, which I already told him wouldn't fly. I reject it. This closes the book in the near term on any positive relations with Prussia. Maybe he will be a little more friendly after France has chewed on him a bit.

In other news, I actually hit +33 Textiles this last turn. Developments were completed in 4 territories and new ones started in their place.

The diplomatic back and forth in Hesse continues. Prussia still maintains a large advantage but I am making it the most expensive protectorate in the history of COG.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/13/2009 2:21:38 AM   
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I finally have enough to buy Naval Guns. This gives me a +1 assault to all my ships in Quick/Instant combat, a pretty nice "always" advantage. My next naval upgrade will be Colonial Warfare II. Next Quarter I should have enough land experience to get Skirmisher Doctrine a nice bump for my infantry in combat. I finish a development in Midlands and start another culture there.

I will have enough to start my 2nd Lancer next turn and will build a couple Vanilla and Light infantry after this while I build up the necessary iron to build my 2nd Heavy Artillery.

Russia sends an agreement for a long term alliance/royal marriage to Turkey. Hopefully they will not accept. I dispatch messages asking them the Sultans thoughts on that and other subjects.

This game is still a slow simmer type. I have a feeling when things start happening all Hell is going to break loose.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/13/2009 8:19:12 AM   
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Start my 2nd Lancer unit this turn, and a farm in Anglia.

Bunch of diplomacy this turn.

Turns out the Russian agreement was actually just an enforced peace and royal marriage, not an alliance. Turkey accepted because he does not want to end up fighting Russia and Austria at the same time. Can't say I blame him in that case.

I also talk to Turkey about renewing and extending our alliance and various long term strategic issues.

I send a message to the French telling them I am officially withdrawing British objection to them taking action against the Prussians. I also offer to extend my enforced peace with France. This is in line with my decision to abandon any attempt to form a partnership with Prussia in the near term.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/14/2009 4:26:25 AM   
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I start a regular infantry unit in Anglia this turn. Next turn I will build another Corps. My inflation is up a bit (at 12%) so I may take it easy for awhile with unit building. The 2 Lancers and the Heavy Artillery really made it pop. My Heavy Artillery being built in York is almost done.

Time for another round of Bank building I think. Every province but York and Anglia will build a Bank this next cycle to ensure my money level stays up. York will build another Barracks and Anglia will build another level of Courts for superior Diplomat construction.

Bavaria revolts from Prussia this turn. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. This knocks him down below empire status, which is going to give him a big hit on his national morale/glory and also has real morale effects in combat. If I didn't have an enforced peace with him I would be really tempted to attack him right now.

If you haven't been reading the entire AAR here is why:

I had originally wanted to do a sort of middle ground where I stuck up for British interests in the germanic minors while respecting Prussian interests in Saxony and Bavaria, but me and Prussia really clashed personality wise and he refused to come to any mutually beneficial arrangement. He would accuse me of "bullying" whenever I stood up for my own interests and seemed to think a "fair" deal would be one where I would trade a minor province for a protectorate and in the mix lose enough points to fall below Empire status.

At one point he even threatened to ally with the French against me, which I found laughable since I already had a nice enforced peace with the French as a decent foundation to a working relationship and had already intervened back channel with the French asking them not to attack Prussia and suggesting a deal over the division of Bavaria that would avert war.

Next month I should receive my quarterly experience points and be able to invest in Skirmisher Doctrine. In Detailed combat that allows vanilla infantry a chance to deploy skirmishers, in Quick/Instant combat I guess it just gives a slight boost in effectiveness to all our infantry units.

I send out a 3 year enforced alliance extension to Turkey and send a 2 year enforced alliance extension to Sweden. I hope to be able to secure another 2 year extension on my enforced peace with France.

I am moving troops into a position to be able to capitalize on any opportunities on the mainland caused by the Bavarian revolt. The British 2 and 3 Corps will move to the mainland to reinforce our protectorate forces. My 1 Corps will remain behind as our reserve along with our soon to be formed 4 Corps. These Corps being held in reserve will receive the Lancers as their cavalry and the new Heavy Artillery as they are produced as their guns, as well as my first 2 Light Infantry.

PS I think I might get Double Line instead of Skirmisher Doctrine. Don't know that it matters, I guess it's just for flavor. Wish WCS would publish the effects of the Upgrades on Quick/Instant Combat. When you fight a Quick battle it lists your applicable upgrades for each unit type when you mouse over them, and Instant is just like "Quick" but with no battle to watch, so we know they have SOME effect, just don't know what.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/15/2009 10:44:30 AM   
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I Start a Light Infantry in Anglia. Play around with my labor sliders a bunch in several provinces and start a new Bank in N Ireland in line with my decision to bump up money production again.

I am critically low on labor. Am going to try to lay off unit building for awhile to build up another large quantity for my 2nd Heavy Artillery. I put off making another Corps container because of my labor shortage. They build so fast there's no rush anyways.

I continue my moves to get additional forces on the Continent.

I bought Double Line Formation with my 120 land experience this turn. Only had 1 point left over. My next land doctrine will probably be Skirmish Doctrine (and next naval doctrine will be Colonial Warfare II).

Next turn, barring some Earth shattering events, I am going to include some screenshots and some indepth reports on various aspects of the the game, the diplomatic situation, my economy, etc., after 3 years of play.

Had some more diplomatic messages back and forth with various powers. France and Turkey mainly. Tensions in Europe seem to be running high, and I believe this game is going to be heating up soon.

Sent some subsidies to minor and major powers this turn as well.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/15/2009 10:59:01 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/16/2009 2:41:31 AM   
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This game is 3 years old, so I will produce some screenshots giving you an idea of the overall situation.

Pardon me if I vent a little. I got hit with mysterious empire point loss this turn with no territory loss on my part. This happened to me in my "No Frills 1792" game in which I play Austria, and once again the amount of empire points lost is 4.

Here is a screenshot of the country details screen after 3 years:








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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/16/2009 2:46:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a shot of the general situation in Central Europe:




I missed one of my initiative rolls to Force March to Berg, and Austria is already sitting on Munich with his army, so I may end up failing to secure any of Bavaria before it gets captured. You can see the Prussian Army in Hesse. I am not in a diplomatic position to stop any of that right now, so will just let it ride.

I have a theory on my Empire point loss I am going to run by Eric from WCS:

Spain got the Papal States as a Protectorate this turn, and the Papal States owns Malta. Malta might be considerd a "Homeland Province" for Britain, which is supposed to result in a loss of 3 empire points. Still doesn't explain the loss of 4 but I am going to run the theory by somebody from WCS.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/16/2009 2:56:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a screenshot of my income situation after 3 years:




You can see this hasn't changed much from last year, which is good because last year was a really good year.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/16/2009 2:59:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		And here is my trade situation:


Again, not much has changed. I actually secured more wool/cotton and textiles through trade with Turkey in the last year, so that has actually improved. A bit of Iron is going out to secure textiles, but that is well worth the cost.




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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/16/2009 3:05:59 AM   
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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/16/2009 3:06:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		And here is the general Glory situation after 3 years:






Last Turn I DOW Bavaria in an attempt to get control of Berg before Prussia or Austria could attack it and get it back. That move might not work as I failed to make my marches and Austria is sitting on top of Munich with 150,000 troops. They probably will not fail to take it in one turn with that number of troops, so I will probably fail.

I may DOW Nassau in order to end up getting something out of all this.

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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/16/2009 11:58:51 AM   
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Having some weird diplomatic conversations this turn.

There have been some discussions about Austria and Spain, the 2 highest glory powers thus far. France was talking about declaring war on Austria and I asked how he was planning on dealing with Prussia since Austria and Prussia have a mutual defense pact. He told me Prussia had basically said they were not going to help Austria.

This statement really gets my gears turning.

If Prussia were to stand by and do nothing while France attacked Austria, Austria would want to punish Prussia for their disloyalty. France in fact can't do enough damage to Austria in one war to prevent Austria from exacting revenge on a rather weak Prussia.

Here is where my paranoia kicks in.



Since I don't believe Prussia is quite THAT stupid (just stupid enough to alienate his most natural and powerful ally in the entire game, LOL), I wonder if France and Prussia have some arrangement. It is also possible that France is telling Prussia what he wants to hear in exchange for a free hand against Austria. I have known Terje for a few months now, and our "Another PBEM" game is almost 80 turns old. He is kinda devious. Gotta stay on my toes here.

I plan to press him in further conversations.



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RE: PBEM 109: Bad food and Bad attitudes - A British AAR - 8/17/2009 4:34:52 AM   
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Had a few more PM conversations with France and Sweden, confirming some of my suspicions about Prussia. I also have additional messages out to France, Spain, Turkey and Sweden.

Several of the major powers in Europe are on the brink of war. Most particularly France and Austria, and possible allies of France against Austria as well.

What's crazy about Prussia supposedly standing by and dishonoring it's mutual defense agreement with Austria (particularly in such a public way this early in the game) is that Prussia's friendship and word would become useless. Who would trust a country that wouldn't abide by a mutual defense pact, particularly one in which the pact was formed as a condition of Austria ceding massive tracts of Polish territory to Prussia? This would show to the entire world that you can't buy Prussian friendship even by giving away half of Poland!

I think Prussia must be getting terrible advice from somewhere. Either that or his pride was so injured by our earlier war of words via email (at his instigation I might add) that he is blindly pursuing suicidal policies just to get back at me.

Either way I benefit.



PS I have been thinking about using one of my mobilization points on beginning production of some more 1st/2nd rate SOLs and perhaps some more frigates. I may also disband some 4th rates as I start to approach the upper limit of my mobilization points to make some additional space for more 3rd rates or an extra land unit.

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