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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 7:53:16 PM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

Great picture. Is the 4th ship a CVE ?

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 8:14:14 PM

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If it's the San Jacinto, it's a CVL.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/21/2009 2:13:08 AM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

Wrong end!

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/21/2009 2:55:00 AM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

That's a great shot. When carriers are in port or at anchor, they erect a mast and fly the colors. From memory, our modern day carriers usually fly the colors at the bow, but apparently, flying the flag a the stern was common during WWII.

One of the first orders given after a carrier weighs anchor or casts off from the pier is, "Shift colors." At that time, the flag is lowered from the removable mast and raised above the island. It's kind of required before conducting flight operations.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/21/2009 3:13:23 AM

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Flight ops? Is that what that big flat deck is for on top? Rarely made it up there. Thought it was for steel beach picnics!

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/21/2009 8:58:11 AM

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1) Despite an evident strong breeze, and with the mainsails and a jib set, she appears to be making no headway
Sailing ships arent that fast. Also they is sheltered by shore from the wind (Locate the fort in Plymouth and see it is somewhat deep in the bay with nice piese of ground just in the way of wind). Notice the wake behind the ship. (Note: they are topsails, not mainsails)

2) The boat approaching the ship of the line will never be able to come safely alongside with her underway.
Depends on the speed of the ship. The boat is actually rowing away from the Bellerophon.
3) Why are her guns run out?
Gun salute? Usually ships make one entering harbor with some official in it. Plymouth surely had some officials deserving salute.

4) Those stratonimbus are waaaay too low
I am not a weather man, but how did you figure it out? Do you - weathermen - usually climb to the cloud base?
5) The officer on the poop deck as early 17th Century epaulets
You have to wear pretty strong glasses to make it out ..

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6) Those are african swallows..I am quite sure of it.
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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 12:44:49 AM

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Note: they are topsails, not mainsails)[/color][/color]

Picky, picky, picky

BTW..what does one call the sails on top of the topsails? The nomenclature needs some work.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 1:10:40 AM

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Note: they are topsails, not mainsails)[/color][/color]

Picky, picky, picky

BTW..what does one call the sails on top of the topsails? The nomenclature needs some work.

Topgallants above topsails. Royals above topgallants. I think you can get skysails above royals, but am not sure.

Getting back to the original subject of this post, any information on the pilot of the Zero? It carries the markings for a shotaicho from Zuikaku, and over Hornet presumably this must have been a member of Hirane's escort group. The code appears to be EII-140.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 2:01:08 PM

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Great picture. Is the 4th ship a CVE ?

The only reason I knew that the mast was shown in this picture is it has been my desktop for years. It gives a great sense of scale between the Lexington, Yorktown, Essex and Princeton classes.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 4:07:05 PM

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It wasn't.

Thankyou for that.

So T, when are you going to start that seminar and how to win friends and influence people?

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 4:15:23 PM

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It wasn't.

Thankyou for that.

So T, when are you going to start that seminar and how to win friends and influence people?

It�s Ok no bones broken and I realize that T is just economical with his answers.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 6:54:31 PM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

They're moored at a pier. I'm sure most eveyone here knows this (but not the artist), but the position of the ensign is VERY important on a US Navy warship. When moored the national ensign is flown from the stern and the jack from the bow. When the ship gets underway, when the anchor comes off the bottom (is "aweigh") or the last mooring line is detached from the bollard/cleat on the pier, the command "shift colors" is given and the ensign is lowered at the stern and run up on the mast, (and th ejack is removed fromt he bow and not replaced by anything.) Underway US Navy vessels always fly the ensign from the masthead (except subs, sometimes, but let's not go into that . . .) This has legal implications as the Rules of the Road change dramaticlaly when a vessel is underway, or underway and making way, versus anchored/moored.

In battle, especially, for national pride as well as identification, a VERY large ensign is going to be at the masthead. Getting this wrong in a painting is a Big Mistake (tm), not a minor one, such as forgetting boiler exhaust.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 10:41:12 PM

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They're moored at a pier. I'm sure most eveyone here knows this (but not the artist), but the position of the ensign is VERY important on a US Navy warship. When moored the national ensign is flown from the stern and the jack from the bow. When the ship gets underway, when the anchor comes off the bottom (is "aweigh") or the last mooring line is detached from the bollard/cleat on the pier, the command "shift colors" is given and the ensign is lowered at the stern and run up on the mast, (and th ejack is removed fromt he bow and not replaced by anything.) Underway US Navy vessels always fly the ensign from the masthead (except subs, sometimes, but let's not go into that . . .) This has legal implications as the Rules of the Road change dramaticlaly when a vessel is underway, or underway and making way, versus anchored/moored.

In battle, especially, for national pride as well as identification, a VERY large ensign is going to be at the masthead. Getting this wrong in a painting is a Big Mistake (tm), not a minor one, such as forgetting boiler exhaust.

Thank you, Mr. Know-It-All.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 10:51:08 PM

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It wasn't.

Thankyou for that.

So T, when are you going to start that seminar and how to win friends and influence people?

If only people would understand that I'm always right, there'd be no problems...

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 11:07:42 PM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

really.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 11:08:18 PM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

Great picture. Is the 4th ship a CVE ?

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/22/2009 11:13:52 PM

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It wasn't.

Thankyou for that.

So T, when are you going to start that seminar and how to win friends and influence people?

If only people would understand that I'm always right, there'd be no problems...

no your not.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/23/2009 1:46:03 AM

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Sara's a good looking ship- to bad she ate two torps...

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/23/2009 2:50:26 AM

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They're moored at a pier. I'm sure most eveyone here knows this (but not the artist), but the position of the ensign is VERY important on a US Navy warship. When moored the national ensign is flown from the stern and the jack from the bow. When the ship gets underway, when the anchor comes off the bottom (is "aweigh") or the last mooring line is detached from the bollard/cleat on the pier, the command "shift colors" is given and the ensign is lowered at the stern and run up on the mast, (and th ejack is removed fromt he bow and not replaced by anything.) Underway US Navy vessels always fly the ensign from the masthead (except subs, sometimes, but let's not go into that . . .) This has legal implications as the Rules of the Road change dramaticlaly when a vessel is underway, or underway and making way, versus anchored/moored.

In battle, especially, for national pride as well as identification, a VERY large ensign is going to be at the masthead. Getting this wrong in a painting is a Big Mistake (tm), not a minor one, such as forgetting boiler exhaust.

Thank you, Mr. Know-It-All.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/23/2009 3:39:57 AM

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Sara's a good looking ship- to bad she ate two torps...

its too bad she got expended in an A-bomb test! Then again.....she still exists.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/23/2009 4:19:51 PM

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Sara's a good looking ship- to bad she ate two torps...

its too bad she got expended in an A-bomb test! Then again.....she still exists.

for another 50 years or so.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/23/2009 4:41:05 PM

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probably less for the Arizona.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/25/2009 3:34:48 AM

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