Slitherine

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Over the years, I've wasted thousands of dollars on dozens of games I never really played.

I can't afford that anymore.

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ORIGINAL: SuluSea
Sell some of those games on Ebay and you'll have plenty to cover the price of BOTH games.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

I find it slightly amusing that people continue to speculate about AE's price being "too high" WHEN NOBODY HAS TOLD THEM THE PRICE YET!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: berto

I have a strong interest in this conflict (I minored in Chinese language and history in college

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ORIGINAL: berto
In a past life, as a former wastrel, I would have bought AE (and before it WitP) in an instant, no question. Oohed and aahed over the maps. And quite possibly never actually played it.

Over the years, I've wasted thousands of dollars on dozens of games I never really played.

I can't afford that anymore.

I'm in a quandary here: I'd like finally to purchase this game (I've been lurking at the WitP fora for years), but AE+WitP? The combined price I expect will be just too steep.

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ORIGINAL: berto

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

I find it slightly amusing that people continue to speculate about AE's price being "too high" WHEN NOBODY HAS TOLD THEM THE PRICE YET!!!!!

Point well taken. If I'm pleasantly surprised by AE's low price, issue resolved, I'll buy it!

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ORIGINAL: pasternakski
AE is largely a volunteer project directed primarily at us WitP idiots. If you don't have WitP by now, you must not want it.

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

Well consider this: World of Warcraft (WoW), the largest MMORPG charges approximately $45 (US) for their software. You then have to pay them $15 (US) to play. When they do a new expansion there charage an additional $45 for the new software and still get you $15 per month. Oh and yes you need the previous version to be able to play the newest version.

So in my mind a one time outlay of some dollars for hours, day, weeks, months, years, eons of FREE playing time after that seems like a pretty good deal. JOMHO

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

Although, the unwillingness to announce an official price may be telling.

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ORIGINAL: Feinder

If I go into a software store and tell the merchant, you're games are too expensive, I'm not going to buy anything...  The merchant says, "Mmmm-kay...."

If I go into a clothing store and tell the merchant, you're clothes are too expensive, I'm not going to buy anything... The merchant says, "Mmmm-kay..."

If I go into a bank and tell the tell the teller, you're fees are too high, I'm not going to open an account... The teller says, "Mmmmm-kay..."

If I go into a theater and tell the kid the ticket price is too expensive, I'm not going to go to the movie... The kid says, "Mmmmm-kay...."

If I go to ....

-F-

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ORIGINAL: berto

At the risk of provoking controversy, here goes...

I suspect that, by forced bundling of AE with the original WitP, Matrix will lose many unit sales and quite possibly diminish their overall revenue.

By bundling both games, Matrix might be setting the price bar so high as to alienate

--casual gamers
--the curious, try-it-and-see-if-i-like-it crowd
--the free-time challenged
--the financially strapped
--game collectors
--other fence sitters (e.g., those poor sods who need their wife's permission before buying)

I have a strong interest in this conflict (I minored in Chinese language and history in college; I've lived in the Philippines for six years and am married to a Filipina; I'm just fascinated by the Pacific War), but I'm chronically short of free time, and I tend not to like monster games, especially insofar as they fall short in the realism department. (I mean to say, if I'm going to commit hundreds and hundreds of hours to a game, it had better be a d@mn good, realistic simulation of the topic. Realism and historical fidelity are all-important to me.)

Especially for the scenarios--more, please!!--I might buy AE. I could see myself committing months of my life to playing scenarios. But years-long grand campaigns? Hardly likely.

For years, I bought and bought many games that I never actually played. In a past life, as a former wastrel, I would have bought AE (and before it WitP) in an instant, no question. Oohed and aahed over the maps. And quite possibly never actually played it.

Over the years, I've wasted thousands of dollars on dozens of games I never really played.
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I can't afford that anymore.

I'm in a quandary here: I'd like finally to purchase this game (I've been lurking at the WitP fora for years), but AE+WitP? The combined price I expect will be just too steep.

PLEASE NOTE: In general, I don't like whiners who complain about the supposed "high" cost of games. Compared to the, IMO, truly high cost of dining out, attending concerts and sporting events, vacationing, etc., hour for hour, dollar for dollar, these games are by far the best entertainment value out there... if the games are really played.

I don't "buy" (literally or figuratively) the argument that one should gladly purchase training-wheels WitP as a warm-up to the big act, AE. Who really believes that first-time buyers will devote serious time to playing and learning WitP when the new-and-improved AE beckons?

There are many other fence sitters like me, I suspect. And if Matrix sets the WitP+AE bundle price too high, I suspect that many people will remain sitting on that fence.

To me, this seems more reasonable: Offer a stand-alone AE mid-way between the price of stand-alone WitP and the combined WitP+AE bundle. In other words:

WitP price < AE price < WitP+AE bundle price.

But, hey, what do I know? I'm sure the bean counters at Matrix know their business better than me.

Just MHO.

Now, excuse me as I run for cover...

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

I find it slightly amusing that people continue to speculate about AE's price being "too high" WHEN NOBODY HAS TOLD THEM THE PRICE YET!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: FAsea

A good thing about having both is that you can play more scenarios. (searching for positives to having both here)

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
So lets say AE is 50 bucks... don't eat out twice in one month, there is your 50 bucks...

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ORIGINAL: berto

AE as a stand-alone (no requirement to also purchase WitP)

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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

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ORIGINAL: berto

AE as a stand-alone (no requirement to also purchase WitP)

There is no getting around this, WiTP-AE will require WiTP.

It is not an option, it is a fact.

Erik Rutins
CEO, Matrix Games LLC



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ORIGINAL: pionkki

Is any WITP version fine or a certain baseline version?

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
One bit of news. We discussed and agreed to discount WITP for a limited time when AE is released, so that those who are excited by AE but don't own either game will have a lower total cost. Keep in mind this will be a limited time offer, so if you're looking for that opportunity, this will be it. We hope this will encourage some of the price-related fence sitters to test the water, it's really quite nice. The next chance will probably be in our annual holiday sale. The long term price of WITP will not decrease and we still do feel that it's a good idea to buy and try WITP first before jumping into AE. WITP does indeed also have scenario content that is not duplicated in AE and its increased scale means that it is in some ways less daunting.

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ORIGINAL: pasternakski

I see it this way. WitP has been out there a long time now, and continuing sales are minimal. AE is largely a volunteer project directed primarily at us WitP idiots. If you don't have WitP by now, you must not want it. If you think AE is too high priced, no matter the price, it isn't directed at you.

So, as Ken Kesey might say at this point, you're either on the bus or you're not.