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RE: Historical accuracy? - 7/29/2009 5:21:49 PM   
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This is also important to consider with aircraft. Even though they have pretty pictures and specific names, each air unit represents a mixed bag of different aircraft, with the plurality belonging to the type on the counter.


yeah, like that darn Stuka with the 3 air-to-air rating that took out my French air force recently and is now busy destroying my Hurricanes, all with a machine gun pointing backwards!

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RE: Historical accuracy? - 7/29/2009 5:32:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: composer99

This is also important to consider with aircraft. Even though they have pretty pictures and specific names, each air unit represents a mixed bag of different aircraft, with the plurality belonging to the type on the counter.


yeah, like that darn Stuka with the 3 air-to-air rating that took out my French air force recently and is now busy destroying my Hurricanes, all with a machine gun pointing backwards!


I think the Stuka did a kind of roll that bringed it upside of the french fighter, then it did drop the bomb directly on the french fighter in flight!

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RE: Historical accuracy? - 7/29/2009 6:10:56 PM   
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yeah, like that darn Stuka with the 3 air-to-air rating that took out my French air force recently and is now busy destroying my Hurricanes, all with a machine gun pointing backwards!



Lol. Even though air counters are a mixed bag, the JU87 actually did have forward-firing guns:

Ju 87B

Forward guns 2×7.92 mm MG 17 machine gun

Ju 87D

Forward guns 2×7.92 mm MG 17 machine gun

Ju 87G-1

Forward guns 2×7.92 mm MG 17 machine gun
2×37 mm BK 37 (6 rounds per gun) antitank gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87

That being said, they were pretty awful for real aerial dogfights lol.



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RE: Historical accuracy? - 7/29/2009 6:43:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		oh. it must have been the desert camouflage whilst flying over the green fields beyond that makes that Ju-87D so deadly then.

meanwhile, the Germans did get good enough at dropping bombs on enemy bombers later in the war that the USAAF had to change their tight flying formations for the B-17.

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RE: Historical accuracy? - 7/29/2009 11:10:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say to start with that the production is wrong based on history, Germany's is too high and the US is too low. But the game works very well as a WW-II game. All you need are a good set of fog-of-war rules and you would have a helluva game.

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RE: Historical accuracy? - 7/30/2009 3:36:03 PM   
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I would say to start with that the production is wrong based on history, Germany's is too high and the US is too low. But the game works very well as a WW-II game. All you need are a good set of fog-of-war rules and you would have a helluva game.


And France usually falls in J/A 1940 or later, unless there is a successfull France first.

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RE: Historical accuracy? - 8/1/2009 2:45:12 AM   
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And France usually falls in J/A 1940 or later, unless there is a successfull France first.


To be fair, France falling this soon is probably more realistic than having Belgium staying neutral even though the germans are walking in Rotterdam.

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RE: Historical accuracy? - 8/2/2009 10:35:46 PM   
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I would say to start with that the production is wrong based on history, Germany's is too high and the US is too low. But the game works very well as a WW-II game. All you need are a good set of fog-of-war rules and you would have a helluva game.


And France usually falls in J/A 1940 or later, unless there is a successfull France first.


In WiF 5 and earlier, Italy used to be much more vulnerable early on, and it was clearly worth it if their set-up allowed for an early conquest to go all out, even at the expense of France. Now, with the additional units, it's practically impossible, especially if playing with amphib rules, so France can (and should) hold out at least until Jul/Aug, even with a lucky German offensive. As the notes in the Scenario Book indicate, no Gamelons in this army!

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