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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 10:47:38 AM   
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Ok How many people are bored now that the holidays are over?


What are holidays

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 11:51:24 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 11:53:26 AM   
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Ok How many people are bored now that the holidays are over?


Nope, busier than ever.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 12:07:36 PM   
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Ok How many people are bored now that the holidays are over?


Nope, busier than ever.


+1

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 12:10:30 PM   
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Ok How many people are bored now that the holidays are over?


Bored Bruce?




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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 12:18:46 PM   
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Instead I have "work." 


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 2:33:48 PM   
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Time to go home after work tithe...


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 2:49:51 PM   
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It also seems some P-51 of late version managed to shoot Me262, but i think it was after a long dive, catching them by surprise.


P-51s learned to hit them on take-off or landing when they were quite vulnerable.


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 2:51:59 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 2:53:23 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 2:55:19 PM   
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A computer mouse. The top works like the multi-touch pad on a Macbook.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 2:55:50 PM   
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What is it?  


a new fridge for vegetables ???

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 3:05:29 PM   
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a new fridge for vegetables ???



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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 3:06:12 PM   
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What is it?  

Apple board for going down the slopes?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 3:36:10 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 3:52:46 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 4:42:06 PM   
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I don't know enough on the topic to have an informed opinion, but I don't believe Germany's industry still had the capacity to produce in the meaningful numbers it would have taken to make a difference.  


It doesn't matter how many airframes you can build if your turbine blades are made out of cheese... Even building more engines is only papering over the cracks if you have to change the damn things every two minutes.

The Meteor may not have been quite as good as the 262 (it seems that a lot of historians agree on that) but the engines were at least a great deal more reliable.


My understanding was that the Jumos used on the ME262 were only good for 20 hours or less (I read this at the Lone Star Air Museum in Galveston, TX). With that few flight hours I would think it would take 4 to 8 engines to keep the plane in the air for any length of time.
I just don't think the Me262 was aas good as all the legends that have built up around it.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 4:43:23 PM   
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Time to go stand under the shower for a length of time that's probably ecologically unsound and economically nonviable Tithe...


How long a shower are we talking about? To become economically nonviable it has to be really long

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 4:47:21 PM   
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I don't know enough on the topic to have an informed opinion, but I don't believe Germany's industry still had the capacity to produce in the meaningful numbers it would have taken to make a difference.  


It doesn't matter how many airframes you can build if your turbine blades are made out of cheese... Even building more engines is only papering over the cracks if you have to change the damn things every two minutes.

The Meteor may not have been quite as good as the 262 (it seems that a lot of historians agree on that) but the engines were at least a great deal more reliable.


My understanding was that the Jumos used on the ME262 were only good for 20 hours or less (I read this at the Lone Star Air Museum in Galveston, TX). With that few flight hours I would think it would take 4 to 8 engines to keep the plane in the air for any length of time.
I just don't think the Me262 was aas good as all the legends that have built up around it.


The service life for the British Wellands was in excess of 150 hours.

I think, as Dixie says, makes for a big advantage to the Meteor.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 4:54:20 PM   
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My understanding was that the Jumos used on the ME262 were only good for 20 hours or less (I read this at the Lone Star Air Museum in Galveston, TX). With that few flight hours I would think it would take 4 to 8 engines to keep the plane in the air for any length of time.
I just don't think the Me262 was aas good as all the legends that have built up around it.


It wasn't legendary but it was a very good aircraft and a very nasty surprise. It just wasn't a game changer.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 4:56:28 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 4:57:57 PM   
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The Meteor would not have been nearly as nasty a surprise as the P-51 was.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 4:59:35 PM   
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My understanding was that the Jumos used on the ME262 were only good for 20 hours or less (I read this at the Lone Star Air Museum in Galveston, TX). With that few flight hours I would think it would take 4 to 8 engines to keep the plane in the air for any length of time.
I just don't think the Me262 was aas good as all the legends that have built up around it.


It wasn't legendary but it was a very good aircraft and a very nasty surprise. It just wasn't a game changer.


I agree. It is hard to see where a cople of hundred Me262s that were better than the best piston fighters, but not by an order of magnitude, could deal with allied air when the allies could put several thousand aircraft in the air on any given day.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 5:00:16 PM   
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The Meteor would not have been nearly as nasty a surprise as the P-51 was.


Again I agree.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 5:01:20 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 5:05:06 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 5:07:56 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 5:08:23 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 8:21:20 PM   
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Got one of these last night. So far I really like it.





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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/14/2010 8:38:12 PM   
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Got one of these last night. So far I really like it.





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