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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 6:04:31 PM

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PDP!

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LOG! - 5/10/2010 6:05:14 PM

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 6:06:20 PM

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If you keep it up, I'll have to bring Walter out.

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LOG! - 5/10/2010 6:08:12 PM

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Bah!

I will bring out Ackmed!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - - 5/10/2010 7:25:17 PM

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Hi all,

Defacement...

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LOG! - 5/10/2010 7:28:06 PM

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 7:29:31 PM

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Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

To the best of my knowledge (from personal meetings with veterans, memoirs, etc) the average Russian had nothing against the average American. They appreciated the lend lease, but the long coming of the Second Front was an old and bitter joke for most. When the allies met on the Elbe, the Russians greeted the Americans as bothers in arms.

I have always thought it a shame that that attitude did not carry over to the higher echelons. I also once posted a picture with comments to that effect. As I recall, that was the first time I was called a Commie on this forum.

I meant Russian people of today.

Not sure I understand the question.

What do Russian people of May 2010 think about American and other Western troops taking part in the Victory Day parade?

Well... the officials removed Stalin's pictures from banners before the event... it was rather huge scandal before the parade...

BTW, what I saw on the "Russia Today" (Russian Satellite channel with news in 100% full American English) - the responses were very positive (they interviewed the citizens, bystanders and veterans alike)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Today

My very loose understanding of "Russia Today" is that it is a Russian government mouthpiece, exclusively funded by the government as a means of 'message development' for the English speaking audience. In my opinion, it bears little semblance to anything that the 'average Russian' of today feels about anything.

Very true!

But those people they interviewed (including some veterans with medals that were plating full front of their coats

) said that they feel fine... also many times during the day there were documentary pieces about Arctic convoys, brave British sailors and "Land and Lease"... thus things are changing (i.e. Soviets before always downplayed the help western allies gave to the Russia)...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 7:30:37 PM

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Hi all,

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I KILL U!

I am made of steel - wood can't touch me!

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LOG! - 5/10/2010 7:38:38 PM

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I'LL SWALLOW YOUR SOUL!
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THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 7:40:17 PM

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SILENCE!!!

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LOG! - 5/10/2010 7:40:49 PM

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 7:42:45 PM

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SILENCE!!!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 8:03:16 PM

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Evenin' gents - tithe.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 8:45:38 PM

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Hi all,

Zsssssssssss time...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 8:58:08 PM

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Let there be Parole!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 9:40:19 PM

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 9:44:13 PM

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G'night gents

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:41:06 PM

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Post work tithe.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:44:46 PM

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Hi all,

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Did any Mark Bernes songs make it over to your culture?

Yuri... hmmm... I don't recall... but it might have been playing on the radio for years 1945-1988 (and me being completely unaware who was singing)... will look for him on YouTube to see how melodies go...

Leo "Apollo11"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MSb55oNn4M

Listen to the lyrics. On my personal list of meaningful songs this is, if not #1, then certainly up there.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:45:42 PM

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Ahh i love reading Russian verse in the morning.�

Morning? Have you, perchance, fled back ton the old country?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:46:35 PM

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Hi all,

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Hi Leo, things are good here, thanks.� How about in Zagreb? �

Springtime... more rain than sun though...

Leo "Apollo11"

Well, May showers....awww, forget it......I hate that stupid saying anyway.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:47:17 PM

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A spambot wanted to sell me some "Canadian Viagra" in my inbox yesterday. I wonder what makes it uniquely Canadian?

One pill and you'll be able to shoot slapshots with "it"?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:47:39 PM

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A spambot wanted to sell me some "Canadian Viagra" in my inbox yesterday. I wonder what makes it uniquely Canadian?

It makes your little friend stand up and say "Ehhhhh"?

Wouldnt that make it Yiddish?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:48:02 PM

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I'll be taken down my desk top PC today so they can move it. I'm not sure about my wife's lap top and connectivity , nor what I'll have for INTERNET capability for the next couple of weeks, sooooo.......I thought I'd say to by Thread brothers , See you in a couple of weeks. I hope that your days are sunny and pleasant, may your in boxes be filled with turns and not spam, and may you be victorious in your PBEM's and games. Stay well my brothers, and I'll try to touch base with you when the INTERNET gods permit.

Chickenboy, I very much looking forward to our grand campaign. I'll be ordering a new carving set from Sur-la-table and new "chicken" cookbooks from Amazon. Maybe I'll serve something from it if you still want a August "mid-America" WITP summit!

Have a safe trip, buddy.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:57:37 PM

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Hi Leo,

My very loose understanding of "Russia Today" is that it is a Russian government mouthpiece, exclusively funded by the government as a means of 'message development' for the English speaking audience. In my opinion, it bears little semblance to anything that the 'average Russian' of today feels about anything.

While my knowledge of the language allows me not to have to deal with translated sources, I would caution you against making such concrete distinctions about validity of information based on ownership. Personally, I find most non-governmental sources to be vehemently inflammatory to the point that they seem to want to cause dissent using any topic and at any price, including veracity of information. And yes, while government sources tend to be, at best, whitewashed, they do allow one to read between the lines.

As a more local example, I, personally, do not often agree with the commentary of Fox News. But at the same time, I feel that they have brought to light many facts that otherwise would have been unknown. What they subsequently do, or cause to be done with those facts, does not devalue the fact itself.

Again, please take this purely as a suggestion.

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THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 10:59:53 PM

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waiting for new books tithe!

Same here. I have ordered both the NAM Rodger book that Simon suggested, and Bruce's Billy Ruffian over the weekend.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 11:00:26 PM

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PDP! �

Oooh. Right in the LOG's proverbial face!

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THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 11:01:12 PM

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Bah!

I will bring out Ackmed!

I thought you already did, silly LOG who does not have a firm grasp of his own references.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 11:09:02 PM

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Hi all,

Very true!

But those people they interviewed (including some veterans with medals that were plating full front of their coats ) said that they feel fine... also many times during the day there were documentary pieces about Arctic convoys, brave British sailors and "Land and Lease"... thus things are changing (i.e. Soviets before always downplayed the help western allies gave to the Russia)...

Leo "Apollo11"

I think that the materials sent via LL were always appreciated. But at the same time they've always felt (justifiably, I feel) that it was Russian blood that won the war, while the western allies had a comparatively easy time of it (also not without basis). So I dont think I would be too far off base if I were to summarize Russia's attitude on the topic as "thanks for the spam and trucks and all, but it would have been nice if you had managed to hit Germany in a meaningful way BEFORE we got to Poland and lost millions of lives we would not have lost if you had".

On the other hand, and to my personal chagrin, Russian historians completely discount the Pacific theater, which I feel is both terribly unfair and a serious error.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/11/2010 1:04:12 AM

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Hi all,

Very true!

But those people they interviewed (including some veterans with medals that were plating full front of their coats ) said that they feel fine... also many times during the day there were documentary pieces about Arctic convoys, brave British sailors and "Land and Lease"... thus things are changing (i.e. Soviets before always downplayed the help western allies gave to the Russia)...

Leo "Apollo11"

I think that the materials sent via LL were always appreciated. But at the same time they've always felt (justifiably, I feel) that it was Russian blood that won the war, while the western allies had a comparatively easy time of it (also not without basis). So I dont think I would be too far off base if I were to summarize Russia's attitude on the topic as "thanks for the spam and trucks and all, but it would have been nice if you had managed to hit Germany in a meaningful way BEFORE we got to Poland and lost millions of lives we would not have lost if you had".

On the other hand, and to my personal chagrin, Russian historians completely discount the Pacific theater, which I feel is both terribly unfair and a serious error.

I've always thought that the Red Army didn't get enough credit for breaking the back of the Wehrmacht. I'm willing to give them credit for that.

But WWII was about more than the Wehrmacht alone. The Russian's record against the other branches of the German armed forces was less complete and their record against the Japanese / PTO was entirely lacking substance. While the Russians did take some heavy body blows, they couldn't have won the war without us, or vice-versa. I don't think 'Russian blood won the war', although they (in particular Russian civilians) suffered disproportionally.

It's nice that they're honoring our contribution to the Second World War at their remembrance ceremony. I hope that we respond in kind in the near future too and remember the shared effort and comaradarie that we're capable of in a time of great danger.

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