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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 5:00:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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They sure know how to build beautiful planes.

No, they know how to COPY them.

I wish people wouldnt post comments like this. Theyre neither true nor very smart.

And it's smarter to imply that the Sukhoi is not a carbon copy of the F-22? Please...

From the outside the new Sukhoi is mix of existing Sukhoi 27 derivatives + YF-23 + F-22... but what is inside (and how it is build) is something completely different...

BTW, in any case the Russians are 10-20 years behind USA on this (i.e. "Stealth")...

Leo "Apolo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 5:15:56 PM

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back from Devon tithe�

Oi loiks Devon

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 5:48:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grollub

They sure know how to build beautiful planes.

No, they know how to COPY them.

I wish people wouldnt post comments like this. Theyre neither true nor very smart.

And it's smarter to imply that the Sukhoi is not a carbon copy of the F-22? Please...

From the outside the new Sukhoi is mix of existing Sukhoi 27 derivatives + YF-23 + F-22... but what is inside (and how it is build) is something completely different...

BTW, in any case the Russians are 10-20 years behind USA on this (i.e. "Stealth")...

Leo "Apolo11"

I meant from the outside, Leo. The response was "they know how to build pretty planes", which would imply the exterior, which you must admit owes more than a little bit to the Raptor. Onime refuses to acknowledge this, which further places him on a par with America-Uber-Alles assholes like Doggie and Diehl.

BTW, I always thought the USAF should have picked the F-23 over the F-22. Looked a lot more evil.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 5:57:11 PM

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The weeds aren't sniggering anymore.

When did Sukhoi become the main Russian plane manufacturer. Did Mikoyan just up and flop?

As an aside (something Onime would appreciate), I used to work with the great grandson of Gurevich. He was a veterinary surgeon in Marin County, CA. When I first met him, he was astonished that I asked if he was related to the Gurevich of the MiG fame.

Being a total dorkweed comes in handy some times...

for my own,
i am not related to aviation engineers, but i am related to admiral de Ruyter ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 5:58:08 PM

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AND an happy "mother's day" to each of you (don't know if this exist in USA or elsewhere in Europe).

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 6:25:19 PM

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Sunday afternoon - Tithe.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 6:26:09 PM

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AND an happy "mother's day" to each of you (don't know if this exist in USA or elsewhere in Europe).

Hi Eric.

In the US, Mother's Day is the second Sunday in May, and Father's Day is the 3rd Sunday in June. I'll be spending Father's Day this year on the beach in the Turks and Caicos Islands.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 7:01:15 PM

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AND an happy "mother's day" to each of you (don't know if this exist in USA or elsewhere in Europe).

Hi Eric.

In the US, Mother's Day is the second Sunday in May, and Father's Day is the 3rd Sunday in June. I'll be spending Father's Day this year on the beach in the Turks and Caicos Islands.

it sound like fathers days have a taste of holliday for you Mike

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 7:04:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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They sure know how to build beautiful planes.

No, they know how to COPY them.

Golly, I agree with both ya'll. Now my experience with airplanes is with a Piper Arrow; even getting some twin time on a Beech makes my nether parts shrink up to nuggets, so take this for what it's worth (not much).

Seems to me there's only a few efficient planforms; some better here, some there. No question Sukhoi did a rape and pillage job on the Raptor, specially given their aerodynamic design proclivities.

But then there's the matter of line and shape and perspective; artsy fartsy stuff. And there, the Russians are wicked cool. Maybe it actually makes a minor difference; maybe art and aerodynamics actually have a relationship, yeah?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 7:07:52 PM

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Well said.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 7:31:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mynok

The weeds aren't sniggering anymore.

When did Sukhoi become the main Russian plane manufacturer. Did Mikoyan just up and flop?

As an aside (something Onime would appreciate), I used to work with the great grandson of Gurevich. He was a veterinary surgeon in Marin County, CA. When I first met him, he was astonished that I asked if he was related to the Gurevich of the MiG fame.

Being a total dorkweed comes in handy some times...

for my own,
i am not related to aviation engineers, but i am related to admiral de Ruyter ...

The product of another drunken Dutch invasion of the French Alps?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 7:47:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

quote:

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mynok

The weeds aren't sniggering anymore.

When did Sukhoi become the main Russian plane manufacturer. Did Mikoyan just up and flop?

As an aside (something Onime would appreciate), I used to work with the great grandson of Gurevich. He was a veterinary surgeon in Marin County, CA. When I first met him, he was astonished that I asked if he was related to the Gurevich of the MiG fame.

Being a total dorkweed comes in handy some times...

for my own,
i am not related to aviation engineers, but i am related to admiral de Ruyter ...

The product of another drunken Dutch invasion of the French Alps?

My ancestors are dutch...and all this.
I am serious, the dutch part of my family is really related to admiral de Ruyter....but far far away....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 7:50:06 PM

Apollo11

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Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grollub

They sure know how to build beautiful planes.

No, they know how to COPY them.

I wish people wouldnt post comments like this. Theyre neither true nor very smart.

And it's smarter to imply that the Sukhoi is not a carbon copy of the F-22? Please...

From the outside the new Sukhoi is mix of existing Sukhoi 27 derivatives + YF-23 + F-22... but what is inside (and how it is build) is something completely different...

BTW, in any case the Russians are 10-20 years behind USA on this (i.e. "Stealth")...

I meant from the outside, Leo. The response was "they know how to build pretty planes", which would imply the exterior, which you must admit owes more than a little bit to the Raptor. Onime refuses to acknowledge this, which further places him on a par with America-Uber-Alles assholes like Doggie and Diehl.

BTW, I always thought the USAF should have picked the F-23 over the F-22. Looked a lot more evil.

IMHO not... like I already wrote this new Rusian aircraft is mix of the following:

Existing Sukhoi 27 derivatives

+

YF-23

+

F-22 "Raptor"

The reseblance to F-22 "Raptor" is minimal...

Leo "Apolo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 7:56:24 PM

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Hi all,

BTW, for "Stealth" to work (i.e. to have the most minimal radar return) the most inportant thing is the front radar cross section!

And for that the hanging aircraft engines (and their intakes) are the biggest non-no - that's why the F-117, F-22, F-35 and B2 have their engine intakes almost totally blended into fuselage.

The Russian Sukhoi T-50 (PAK-FA) retains the old Su-27 derivative design regarding that and the radar cross section on the front is, thus, much much bigger than USA counterparts by deign...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 9:47:41 PM

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Post drinking beer with friends on the deck of a local restaurant and pre drinking rum with friends on the deck of our house - Tithe.

I love long weekends.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 10:01:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I meant from the outside, Leo. The response was "they know how to build pretty planes", which would imply the exterior, which you must admit owes more than a little bit to the Raptor. Onime refuses to acknowledge this, which further places him on a par with America-Uber-Alles assholes like Doggie and Diehl.

BTW, I always thought the USAF should have picked the F-23 over the F-22. Looked a lot more evil.

Either you didnt read my post or youve green buttoned me again. Either one is fine by me.

And dont compare me with Doggie. I take that personally.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 10:01:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

for my own,
i am not related to aviation engineers, but i am related to admiral de Ruyter ...

Thats some fine ancestry.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 10:07:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

quote:

ORIGINAL: USS America

quote:

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

AND an happy "mother's day" to each of you (don't know if this exist in USA or elsewhere in Europe).

Hi Eric.

In the US, Mother's Day is the second Sunday in May, and Father's Day is the 3rd Sunday in June. I'll be spending Father's Day this year on the beach in the Turks and Caicos Islands.

it sound like fathers days have a taste of holliday for you Mike

Unlike the usual ties and socks.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 10:39:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

quote:

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

quote:

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mynok

The weeds aren't sniggering anymore.

When did Sukhoi become the main Russian plane manufacturer. Did Mikoyan just up and flop?

As an aside (something Onime would appreciate), I used to work with the great grandson of Gurevich. He was a veterinary surgeon in Marin County, CA. When I first met him, he was astonished that I asked if he was related to the Gurevich of the MiG fame.

Being a total dorkweed comes in handy some times...

for my own,
i am not related to aviation engineers, but i am related to admiral de Ruyter ...

The product of another drunken Dutch invasion of the French Alps?

My ancestors are dutch...and all this.
I am serious, the dutch part of my family is really related to admiral de Ruyter....but far far away....

Eric, that's pretty cool. My comment/joke was based upon the fact that when I was visiting your area I think that I met more people from the Netherlands than I did Frenchmen! Of course, it was July when I was visiting - the month that the nation of Holland goes to the French Alps for vacation...especially the village of Bourg D'Oisons!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 10:53:06 PM

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G'night gents

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/30/2010 11:57:11 PM

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Big day of smokin pig tomorrow....no, I'm not going to be killing policemen or whatever else your demented minds took that to mean.

I will be smoking lots of pork low and slow over a hickory fire which is what we in the South know to be actual and definitive barbecue. Burnt sausages or beef patties covered in charcoal dust is not barbecue. That is called compost.

And barbecue does not include beef. Beef is good. I do like a good smoked brisket, to be sure. But it ain't barbecue. It's smoked brisket. Barbecue is pork, always has been and always will be. I have all the historical documentation I need to teach you Texicans why you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Enjoy your Memorial Day fellas. I'll be cooking and mowin and drinkin and generally livin it up for all those who gave their lives on our behalf.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 12:21:22 AM

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Tithe

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 12:30:12 AM

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We are having friends over tomorrow and doing steaks on the grill.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 1:53:17 AM

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They are over in the main forum complaining about AP losses during invasions. People don't undferstand the need to abstract things fror the overall purpose of the game.......

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 5:13:35 AM

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Morning Tithe...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 7:30:54 AM

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Hi all,

Good morning!

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 8:09:14 AM

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Good Morning Guys

I will be working tonight on this fabulous Memorial day getting time and a half plus holiday pay

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 8:19:21 AM

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Good morning gents.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 9:45:37 AM

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Morning men

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/31/2010 12:20:26 PM

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Memorial Day morning tithe.

Very unpatriotically, I will be going to work today.

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