Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

4. Resetting home base to SF after base is captured -> subs trying to return there -> subs running out of fuel -> subs sinking because of accumulated sys damage.

From which base, and which scenario, please. There is code to try and find a nearby base of sufficient size and/or sufficient support units, with San Francisco is the default. Returning to San Francisco means the routine could not find anything else suitable.

"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Submarine warfare is not "unplayable" at all.

"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

"Return same route" problem.

(I have save, but it is 2.6 MB and I cannot attach it here.)

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ORIGINAL: John Lansford

My S boats are becoming notorious for running out of fuel on the way home.  Apparently their captains can't calculate when they should abandon their patrol area and return to base because by the time they start for home they're already too short of fuel to get to Pearl, and a patrol around Eniwetok shouldn't be too far for them.

I've also had some of those short-legged Dutch boats run low on fuel but that's because I send them too far.  Not with the S boats though.

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Good news! Is there anything to be done to return the boats back to base before they have status "crippled", or to prevent them to rearm and return to patrol when damaged? I don't think subs should go back to patrol automatically if they have 20 sys, for example. I think smoke and damage still does increase their detection level.

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

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ORIGINAL: John Lansford

My S boats are becoming notorious for running out of fuel on the way home.  Apparently their captains can't calculate when they should abandon their patrol area and return to base because by the time they start for home they're already too short of fuel to get to Pearl, and a patrol around Eniwetok shouldn't be too far for them.

I've also had some of those short-legged Dutch boats run low on fuel but that's because I send them too far.  Not with the S boats though.

This issue has already been addressed for Patch 1.

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Good news! Is there anything to be done to return the boats back to base before they have status "crippled", or to prevent them to rearm and return to patrol when damaged? I don't think subs should go back to patrol automatically if they have 20 sys, for example. I think smoke and damage still does increase their detection level.

There is code in the auto sub ops to prevent this. Are you running human controlled or computer controlled subs, and do you have a save just before a damaged ship refuels and returns to patrol?

"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Good news! Is there anything to be done to return the boats back to base before they have status "crippled", or to prevent them to rearm and return to patrol when damaged? I don't think subs should go back to patrol automatically if they have 20 sys, for example. I think smoke and damage still does increase their detection level.

There is code in the auto sub ops to prevent this. Are you running human controlled or computer controlled subs, and do you have a save just before a damaged ship refuels and returns to patrol?

You might catch some in save I posted to Tech Support about TF not returning same route. I play 2-day turns vs AI, so there might be some in that, even though I usually try to check subs that are in port refuelling in every time I give orders and disband those showing "orange". What is the threshold for sub not to return to patrol? I remember at least one going back with 14 sys.

I control subs manually, setting reaction 6 and using "Patrol around target" exclusively. I'll post new save if I happen to notice it later today when at home.

"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Here is one example, save is in that Tech Support thread. As you can see, sub is happily rearmed, refuelled and tries to sail back to patrol area with 14 sys dmg:

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

And another problem shown in same save. Subs do not return from patrol zone in time, making them run out of fuel before they get to base.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Have run into this many times up to July 1942. Do not have save file because I am not sure I ever caught it on the turn it actually occurred. Basically, a TF will 'remember' an old home port and set it as a destination all by itself at some random time. Have seen this affect many TF's at once, although (as mentioned) cannot be sure they all went wrong on the same turn.

Examples

A)

1 Create TF at Balboa.
2 Set Do Not Unload.
3 Load supplies.
4 When full:
5 Set home port to Noumea.
6 Set Return to Noumea.
7 Set a waypoint near Noumea.
8 When TF is on-map, set Unload at Destination (or whatever the wording is - the toggle of Do Not Unload).

Events:
- Notice that when the TF arrives at Noumea, it says 'unloading', home port is Noumea, and destination is Balboa.
- Also noticed along the way that a mouse-over of the TF shows 'unload at Balboa', even though opening the TF display shows home port Noumea and destination Noumea.

B)

1 Create TF at San Francisco.
2 Set Do Not Unload.
3 Load troops.
4 When full:
5 Set home port Lord Howe Island.
6 Set return to Lord Howe Island.
7 Set three waypoints for routing.
8 Prior to 3rd waypoint being reached:
9 Cancel waypoints.
10 Set return to Lord Howe Island.
11 Set home port to Sydney.
12 Set return to Sydney.
13 Set a waypoint near Sydney.
14 Set Unload at Destination (or whatever the wording is - the toggle of Do Not Unload).

Event:
- Notice that when TF arrives at Sydney, it says 'unloading', home port is Sydney, and destination is Lord Howe Island.

C)

1 An existing TF is at Pago Pago unloading, with home port of Pago Pago and destination of Pago Pago.
2 TF finishes unloading.
3 Set home port San Francisco.
4 Set return to San Francisco.
5 Set a waypoint to the east and south to avoid submarine danger areas.

Event:
- When checking TF part way to San Francisco, notice that destination has become Pago Pago and TF is proceeding back in that direction.


I have found this issue more than perhaps 3 dozen times to July 1942. Sometimes only one TF is noticed in error, sometimes 6 or 8 at a time. Do not know if multiple TF's go wrong on same turn or if they accumulate. The examples given are just examples, not all occurrences.

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

No way I'm even going to read thru this one without saves. Swamped.

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

And another problem shown in same save. Subs do not return from patrol zone in time, making them run out of fuel before they get to base.

This issue has already been addressed.

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Have run into this many times up to July 1942. Do not have save file because I am not sure I ever caught it on the turn it actually occurred. Basically, a TF will 'remember' an old home port and set it as a destination all by itself at some random time. Have seen this affect many TF's at once, although (as mentioned) cannot be sure they all went wrong on the same turn.

Examples

A)

1 Create TF at Balboa.
2 Set Do Not Unload.
3 Load supplies.
4 When full:
5 Set home port to Noumea.
6 Set Return to Noumea.
7 Set a waypoint near Noumea.
8 When TF is on-map, set Unload at Destination (or whatever the wording is - the toggle of Do Not Unload).

Events:
- Notice that when the TF arrives at Noumea, it says 'unloading', home port is Noumea, and destination is Balboa.
- Also noticed along the way that a mouse-over of the TF shows 'unload at Balboa', even though opening the TF display shows home port Noumea and destination Noumea.

B)

1 Create TF at San Francisco.
2 Set Do Not Unload.
3 Load troops.
4 When full:
5 Set home port Lord Howe Island.
6 Set return to Lord Howe Island.
7 Set three waypoints for routing.
8 Prior to 3rd waypoint being reached:
9 Cancel waypoints.
10 Set return to Lord Howe Island.
11 Set home port to Sydney.
12 Set return to Sydney.
13 Set a waypoint near Sydney.
14 Set Unload at Destination (or whatever the wording is - the toggle of Do Not Unload).

Event:
- Notice that when TF arrives at Sydney, it says 'unloading', home port is Sydney, and destination is Lord Howe Island.

C)

1 An existing TF is at Pago Pago unloading, with home port of Pago Pago and destination of Pago Pago.
2 TF finishes unloading.
3 Set home port San Francisco.
4 Set return to San Francisco.
5 Set a waypoint to the east and south to avoid submarine danger areas.

Event:
- When checking TF part way to San Francisco, notice that destination has become Pago Pago and TF is proceeding back in that direction.


I have found this issue more than perhaps 3 dozen times to July 1942. Sometimes only one TF is noticed in error, sometimes 6 or 8 at a time. Do not know if multiple TF's go wrong on same turn or if they accumulate. The examples given are just examples, not all occurrences.

No way I'm even going to read thru this one without saves. Swamped.