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PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 7:30:12 AM   
thunar

 

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Status: offline 		Man, I had two crusier/destroyer task forces in the eastern PNG area and a task force in the Sulu Sea lead by Prince of Wales. PoW encountered Kongo on the way to attack Jolo where a large IJN invasion force was gathering.

Also completely smashed were several invasion forces near Jolo Island and Madang, both before and after unloading. It was a solid beating. My only regret is that apparently Prince of Wales was out of bigger shells by the time it was pounced by an IJN Cruiser Squadron.

I'd try to hit his amphib TF unloading at Finschhaven today, but I think I'm out of ammo!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 19, 41
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umboi Island at 100,125, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kyo Maru #12, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
xAK Tatutaki Maru, Shell hits 7, heavy fires

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Bulmer
DD Paul Jones
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
PB Kyo Maru #12 sunk by CA Houston at 1,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAK Tatutaki Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAK Tatutaki Maru at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Jolo at 74,93, Range 1,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 7, on fire
CA Mikuma
DD Fumizuki, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Mikazuki

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 30, on fire
CL Java
CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
CL Tromp
DD Vampire
DD Kortenaer
DD Tenedos
DD Electra, Shell hits 1
DD Express



Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
Younger, L.E. crosses the 'T'
BB Prince of Wales engages BB Kongo at 1,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages CA Mikuma at 1,000 yards
CL De Ruyter sunk by BB Kongo at 1,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages DD Fumizuki at 1,000 yards
DD Electra engages DD Fumizuki at 1,000 yards
DD Fumizuki engages DD Tenedos at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
BB Kongo engages BB Prince of Wales at 2,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages CL Tromp at 2,000 yards
DD Electra engages DD Mikazuki at 2,000 yards
DD Fumizuki engages DD Express at 2,000 yards
BB Kongo engages DD Electra at 2,000 yards
BB Kongo engages DD Tenedos at 2,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Fumizuki at 2,000 yards
DD Vampire engages DD Fumizuki at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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ASW attack near Madang at 98,123

Japanese Ships
SS I-160, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Witte de With
DD Parrott
DD Paul Jones
DD Bulmer



DD Witte de With fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Parrott attacking submerged sub ....
DD Paul Jones fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Bulmer attacking submerged sub ....
DD Witte de With fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Parrott fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Bulmer fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Witte de With fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Bulmer fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Bulmer fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 98,123, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Gamitsu Maru #1, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Koan Maru, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Bulmer
DD Paul Jones
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
PB Gamitsu Maru #1 sunk by CA Houston at 1,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAP Koan Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAP Koan Maru at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 97,123, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAKL Hagoromo Maru, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Noshiro Maru #2
xAKL Takunan Maru #10, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Tama Maru #2, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
CM Takashima, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
xAK Hokkai Maru, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK KunituMaru, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Ryunan Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Kazan Maru, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Eizan Maru, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Yae Maru, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
xAK Daihachikyo Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
xAK Daijukyo Maru, Shell hits 21, and is sunk
xAK Kotobuki Maru #5, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
xAKL Tsuneshima Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires
xAKL Kanaiyama Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAKL Konsan Maru, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
PB Kosin Maru #3, Shell hits 35, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Houston, Shell hits 1
CL Marblehead, Shell hits 3
CL Boise, Shell hits 1
DD Barker
DD Bulmer, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Paul Jones
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
CA Houston engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 1,000 yards
PB Kosin Maru #3 sunk by CL Boise at 1,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAK Daijukyo Maru at 1,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAK Daihachikyo Maru at 1,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Hokkai Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages CM Takashima at 2,000 yards
xAK Daijukyo Maru sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards
xAK Daihachikyo Maru sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages CM Takashima at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK KunituMaru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages CM Takashima at 3,000 yards
CM Takashima sunk by CL Boise at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Yae Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Ryunan Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Hokkai Maru at 3,000 yards
xAKL Hagoromo Maru sunk by DD Paul Jones at 3,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAK Hokkai Maru at 3,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Yae Maru at 3,000 yards
xAK Hokkai Maru sunk by CL Marblehead at 3,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK KunituMaru at 3,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Yae Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAK Ryunan Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAK KunituMaru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK KunituMaru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK KunituMaru at 3,000 yards
xAK Kotobuki Maru #5 sunk by CL Boise at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Kazan Maru at 3,000 yards
xAK Ryunan Maru sunk by DD Witte de With at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK KunituMaru at 3,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAKL Konsan Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAK KunituMaru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
xAK Yae Maru sunk by CA Houston at 2,000 yards
xAKL Konsan Maru sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK Kazan Maru at 2,000 yards
xAKL Tama Maru #2 sunk by DD Witte de With at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Kanaiyama Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK Eizan Maru at 2,000 yards
xAK Kazan Maru sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAK Eizan Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAK Eizan Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Tsuneshima Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK KunituMaru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Eizan Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK KunituMaru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Kanaiyama Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAKL Tsuneshima Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Takunan Maru #10 at 2,000 yards
xAKL Takunan Maru #10 sunk by DD Paul Jones at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAK Eizan Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAKL Kanaiyama Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Tsuneshima Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Eizan Maru at 3,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Jolo at 74,90, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Hitati Maru, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LSD Akitsu Maru, Shell hits 27, and is sunk
xAP Asama Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Katori Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
xAP Buenos Aires Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
xAP Huzi Maru, Shell hits 6, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
CL Java
CL Tromp
DD Vampire
DD Kortenaer
DD Tenedos
DD Electra
DD Express

Japanese ground losses:
3835 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 554 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 5,000 yards
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 5,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales fires at xAP Huzi Maru at 5,000 yards
xAP Huzi Maru sunk by BB Prince of Wales at 5,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales fires at xAP Buenos Aires Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Express fires at xAP Asama Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Tenedos launches Torpedoes at xAK Hitati Maru at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages LSD Akitsu Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAP Buenos Aires Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Express engages xAK Hitati Maru at 2,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages xAK Hitati Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages xAP Asama Maru at 2,000 yards
xAP Asama Maru sunk by BB Prince of Wales at 2,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAP Buenos Aires Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Express engages xAK Hitati Maru at 2,000 yards
xAK Hitati Maru sunk by DD Electra at 2,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages xAP Buenos Aires Maru at 2,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages LSD Akitsu Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
LSD Akitsu Maru sunk by BB Prince of Wales at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages xAP Katori Maru at 4,000 yards
DD Electra engages xAP Katori Maru at 4,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages xAP Katori Maru at 4,000 yards
DD Vampire engages xAP Katori Maru at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages xAP Katori Maru at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
DD Electra engages xAP Katori Maru at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages xAP Katori Maru at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 17,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages xAP Katori Maru at 23,000 yards
Range increases to 27,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Jolo at 74,90, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Arimasan Maru, Shell hits 17, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
CL Java
CL Tromp
DD Vampire
DD Kortenaer
DD Tenedos
DD Electra
DD Express



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 0% moonlight: 3,000 yards
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
BB Prince of Wales engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 1,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CL Tromp engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Express engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Electra engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Electra engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 9,000 yards
DD Vampire engages xAK Arimasan Maru at 9,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Sub attack near Ailinglaplap at 132,118

Japanese Ships
xAK Lyons Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Thresher



SS Thresher is sighted by xAK Lyons Maru
SS Thresher launches 6 torpedoes




Estimated time to target is 40 minutes


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Submarine attack near Ailinglaplap at 132,118

Japanese Ships
xAK Lyons Maru, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Thresher



SS Thresher is sighted by xAK Lyons Maru
SS Thresher launches 6 torpedoes


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 97,123, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Tenryu Maru, Shell hits 31, and is sunk
xAK Taifuku Maru, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
xAK Nanrei Maru, Shell hits 21, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Teiryu Maru, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
xAK Macassar Maru, Shell hits 21, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Nittai Maru, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
xAK Taihei Maru, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
xAKL Kashiwa Maru, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
xAKL Kidokawa Maru, Shell hits 32, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise, Shell hits 2
DD Barker
DD Bulmer, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With



Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 3% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
CL Boise engages xAK Macassar Maru at 1,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAK Macassar Maru at 1,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Nanrei Maru at 1,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Taifuku Maru at 1,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAKL Kashiwa Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Macassar Maru at 2,000 yards
xAK Macassar Maru sunk by CL Marblehead at 2,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAK Nanrei Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Nanrei Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAK Taihei Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAK Nittai Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAK Nanrei Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Taifuku Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK Nanrei Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Kidokawa Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Kashiwa Maru at 3,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAK Nittai Maru at 3,000 yards
xAK Taifuku Maru sunk by CL Boise at 3,000 yards
xAK Taihei Maru sunk by CL Marblehead at 3,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAK Nittai Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 3,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAK Nittai Maru at 3,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Teiryu Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAK Teiryu Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Nanrei Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Kidokawa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK Teiryu Maru at 2,000 yards
xAK Nanrei Maru sunk by DD Paul Jones at 2,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAK Teiryu Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAKL Kidokawa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 2,000 yards
xAK Teiryu Maru sunk by CA Houston at 2,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAKL Kidokawa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 2,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 2,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAK Tenryu Maru at 2,000 yards
xAK Tenryu Maru sunk by CA Houston at 2,000 yards
xAKL Kidokawa Maru sunk by CA Houston at 2,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 97,123, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CM Itsukushima, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kure Maru #5, Shell hits 37, and is sunk
xAK Kyusyu Maru, Shell hits 24, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Shinsei Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With



Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 3% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
CA Houston engages xAK Kyusyu Maru at 1,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Kyusyu Maru at 1,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Shinsei Maru at 1,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAK Shinsei Maru at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages PB Kure Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages CM Itsukushima at 2,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages CM Itsukushima at 2,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages PB Kure Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
xAK Shinsei Maru sunk by DD Parrott at 2,000 yards
PB Kure Maru #5 sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards
DD Parrott engages CM Itsukushima at 2,000 yards
DD Barker engages CM Itsukushima at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 97,123, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Minazuki, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
PB Fumi Maru #3, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
xAP Brazil Maru, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With

Japanese ground losses:
274 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled



Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 3% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
CA Houston engages DD Minazuki at 1,000 yards
CA Houston engages PB Fumi Maru #3 at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
DD Parrott engages DD Minazuki at 2,000 yards
DD Minazuki sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAP Brazil Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
PB Fumi Maru #3 sunk by CL Boise at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Brazil Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAP Brazil Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Brazil Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Brazil Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Brazil Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
xAP Brazil Maru sunk by CA Houston at 3,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 97,123, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Tama Maru #5, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
xAP Huso Maru, Shell hits 15, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With

Japanese ground losses:
349 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)



Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 3% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
Range increases to 2,000 yards
PB Tama Maru #5 sunk by CL Marblehead at 2,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAP Huso Maru at 2,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Huso Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAP Huso Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAP Huso Maru at 3,000 yards
xAP Huso Maru sunk by CA Houston at 3,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 97,123, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAKL Noshiro Maru #2, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
xAKL Tsuneshima Maru, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
xAKL Kanaiyama Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With



Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 3% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
CL Boise engages xAKL Kanaiyama Maru at 1,000 yards
xAKL Kanaiyama Maru sunk by CL Marblehead at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAKL Tsuneshima Maru at 3,000 yards
xAKL Tsuneshima Maru sunk by CA Houston at 3,000 yards
xAKL Noshiro Maru #2 sunk by CL Boise at 3,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Submarine attack near Ailinglaplap at 132,118

Japanese Ships
xAK Lyons Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Thresher



SS Thresher is sighted by xAK Lyons Maru
SS Thresher launches 4 torpedoes


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Amphibious Assault at Finschhafen

TF 260 troops unloading over beach at Finschhafen, 100,126





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Day Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 98,123, Range 19,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CM Itsukushima, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With



Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 23,000 yards
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 19,000 yards
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages CM Itsukushima at 13,000 yards
DD Parrott engages CM Itsukushima at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Parrott engages CM Itsukushima at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
CM Itsukushima sunk by DD Witte de With at 10,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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Submarine attack near Tapul at 73,90

Japanese Ships
xAK Zyuyo Maru

Allied Ships
SS KXVI, hits 2



SS KXVI is sighted by xAK Zyuyo Maru
SS KXVI attacking on the surface


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Madang at 98,123, Range 16,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAP Koan Maru, Shell hits 15, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Marblehead
CL Boise
DD Barker
DD Parrott
DD Witte de With

Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)



Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 16,000 yards
CL Marblehead fires at xAP Koan Maru at 16,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAP Koan Maru at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAP Koan Maru at 11,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAP Koan Maru at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Koan Maru at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAP Koan Maru at 12,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAP Koan Maru at 12,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Koan Maru at 15,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAP Koan Maru at 15,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAP Koan Maru at 15,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAP Koan Maru at 15,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Koan Maru at 15,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAP Koan Maru at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAP Koan Maru at 14,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAP Koan Maru at 14,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Koan Maru at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Koan Maru at 9,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Koan Maru at 9,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAP Koan Maru at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAP Koan Maru at 11,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Koan Maru at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAP Koan Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAP Koan Maru at 12,000 yards
CA Houston engages xAP Koan Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAP Koan Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Parrott engages xAP Koan Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Barker engages xAP Koan Maru at 12,000 yards
Lane, C.A. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 17,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAP Koan Maru at 17,000 yards
Range increases to 25,000 yards
CL Marblehead engages xAP Koan Maru at 25,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Cotabato at 76,91, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CA Myoko, Shell hits 1
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 3
DD Wakatake, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kuretake, Shell hits 1
DD Sanae, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 9, on fire
CL Java, Shell hits 1
CL Tromp, Shell hits 2
DD Vampire, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kortenaer
DD Tenedos
DD Electra
DD Express, Shell hits 2



Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 30,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Java at 24,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Java at 24,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Tenedos at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages CA Myoko at 20,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Tromp at 20,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Java at 20,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages DD Vampire at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages CA Myoko at 18,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CA Myoko at 18,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Java at 18,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Wakatake at 18,000 yards
DD Wakatake engages DD Kortenaer at 18,000 yards
DD Wakatake engages DD Vampire at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages DD Wakatake at 14,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Tromp at 14,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Java at 14,000 yards
DD Wakatake engages DD Express at 14,000 yards
DD Kuretake engages DD Vampire at 14,000 yards
DD Wakatake engages DD Tenedos at 14,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Wakatake at 14,000 yards
DD Wakatake engages DD Vampire at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Java at 10,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CA Atago at 10,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Java at 10,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages DD Sanae at 10,000 yards
DD Kuretake engages DD Electra at 10,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages DD Wakatake at 10,000 yards
DD Wakatake engages DD Kortenaer at 10,000 yards
DD Vampire engages DD Kuretake at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CA Atago engages BB Prince of Wales at 9,000 yards
CA Atago engages CL Java at 9,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Java at 9,000 yards
DD Kuretake engages DD Express at 9,000 yards
DD Express engages DD Wakatake at 9,000 yards
DD Sanae engages DD Kortenaer at 9,000 yards
DD Vampire engages DD Wakatake at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CA Myoko at 11,000 yards
CA Atago engages CL Java at 11,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Tromp at 11,000 yards
DD Express engages DD Sanae at 11,000 yards
DD Electra engages DD Wakatake at 11,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages DD Wakatake at 11,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Kuretake at 11,000 yards
DD Wakatake engages DD Vampire at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages BB Prince of Wales at 14,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CA Atago at 14,000 yards
CL Java engages CA Atago at 14,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Sanae at 14,000 yards
DD Electra engages DD Kuretake at 14,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Wakatake at 14,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Kuretake at 14,000 yards
DD Sanae engages DD Vampire at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
CA Myoko engages BB Prince of Wales at 18,000 yards
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 18,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Java at 18,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Express at 18,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Electra at 18,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages DD Tenedos at 18,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Sanae at 18,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Vampire at 18,000 yards
Range increases to 22,000 yards
CA Atago engages BB Prince of Wales at 22,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CA Atago at 22,000 yards
CA Atago engages CL Java at 22,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Electra at 22,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Kortenaer at 22,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Vampire at 22,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CA Myoko at 22,000 yards
CA Atago engages CL Java at 22,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Tenedos at 22,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Kortenaer at 22,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Vampire at 22,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages CA Atago at 21,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CA Atago at 21,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Java at 21,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages DD Express at 21,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Wakatake at 21,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Kuretake at 21,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Vampire at 21,000 yards
CA Myoko engages BB Prince of Wales at 21,000 yards
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 21,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CL Jintsu at 21,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages DD Express at 21,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages DD Electra at 21,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Wakatake at 21,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Vampire at 21,000 yards
Yamazumi, Teijiro orders Japanese TF to disengage
CL Tromp engages CA Myoko at 21,000 yards
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 21,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Tromp at 21,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Express at 21,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Kuretake at 21,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages DD Tenedos at 21,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Vampire at 21,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages CA Atago at 21,000 yards
CL Jintsu engages CL Tromp at 21,000 yards
CL Tromp engages CL Jintsu at 21,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Sanae at 21,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages DD Kuretake at 21,000 yards
Range increases to 28,000 yards
BB Prince of Wales engages CA Atago at 28,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Tromp at 28,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Electra at 28,000 yards
CA Atago engages DD Kortenaer at 28,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Vampire at 28,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 58,88

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-339D x 8


Allied aircraft losses
B-339D: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CM Hatsutaka



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-339D bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb







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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 7:49:16 AM   
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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 9:55:00 AM   
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Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight


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Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight






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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 10:18:51 AM   
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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 12:51:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fishbed

True Castor, but a lot of them were caught with their pants down, check the reports

quote:

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight


quote:

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight








yeah, but at Medang there were 23 out of 23 ships sunk that have been within a couple of different TFs at a MAX visibility of 1000 yards? With no moonlight? Heck, that´s overkill and even though I know we shouldn´t quote single results, there are already far too many of those results posted. This should be a RARE occasion. So rare, that people can´t come up with such results daily.

23 out of 23 ships sunk with nearly no sight at all.


while bloddy air to air combat seems to have been cured in AE, now naval combat is what air combat was before. In WITP you see a dozen Corsairs taking out whole strikes with dozens of enemy aircraft shot down, now we see the we kill 100% of your ships regularly it seems.

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 1:01:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Point blank range: mostly hits with devastating effect
Many warships that may all fire at the same time on different targets
"is getting underway" means they were sitting all together makeing no speed

No problem for me.

Admiral Hipper sank 7 merchants out of 18 meeting one convoi that was underway and not surprised.

Warships have searchlights and illumination granades. Moreover both sides may now take out whole fleets. GREAT!

I HATED it, when I managed to find 30 merchants with 8 warships and apart from 3-5 that were sunk, the rest ran away...

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 1:10:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		indeed nice results. one more point which speaks for AE.

what i like to know now is the following question:

do we see this famous WITP "50 bomber attacking one lonley transporter" idiocy also in AE or do we need to set HRs to avoid exploiting the weakness of the engine like in WITP?

in my game vs garry i had it again in the last turn. 60 betty/nells attacked out of tarawa island and managed to sink....2 laughable APD while his damaged BB and transport fleet remained untouched.

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 1:11:36 PM   
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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 1:25:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it helps that ships can actually sink immediately as a result of air combat. I hated in WitP where a CV TF would use up flight ops launching 50 Hellcats, 30 Helldivers, and 30 Avengers or so against a PC or minelayer that had just been pasted with multiple torpedoes and 1000 lb bombs and all planes would be "unable to locate target"...

And some nice SCTF butt kickin' there, Thunar...

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 10:04:09 PM   
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An amphib TF would be totally vulnerable, grouped together, and unable to retreat from naval forces because they are blocked by the beach. Even if visibility is only 1000m, the attacking force has many scouting DD's which are also armed, and they are facing no opposition. Things like searchlights and star-shells could illuminate the transports, and at close range they won't last long against large caliber weapons. Moreover, any that do escape would likely be found easily if the attacking destroyers formed into a search pattern to look for approaching or fleeing ships, which would be logical.

AK's and AP's were relatively easy to sink before, but 80% of any large force always slipped away even though the attacking force was much faster. This is an appropriate correction to that, especially for a stationary transport group.

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 10:24:54 PM   
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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 11:08:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Doesn't the Houston or one of the other two light cruisers I used have some kind of radar? I kind of doubt the PBs/PCs/AKs I encountered at Madang had a radar set.

I did send the SCTF to Madang, it wasn't a reaction, and Madang does have a rudimentary port which is on a map. So when they arrived at a pre-existing port that is on their nautical charts, there was the IJN, it's not reflected in the Combat Report I think but they were all in the middle of unloading and it took quite a bit of time before they were able to get underway. In fact during the animation that's exactly what it read "TF trying to get underway". I think I sunk more than half of the ships at anchor.

Now if Transport Group with no warship support to speak of is caught in the middle of the night, in the middle of unloading, by 3 cruisers and a few destroyers that operate at speeds almost 3x faster than an AK or AP, I would be outraged if they didn't send them all or almost all of them to Davey Jones' Locker.

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 11:16:01 PM   
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I took the wife out for dinner last night so I could play all night till 3AM today.

I think I mentioned this in another thread under the main forum, but the day before this amazing series of actions, I had sent a CA and 3-4 DM/DMS TF to Rabaul at night, hoping to do a little bombardment. My TF bumped into a couple of APs/AKs guarded by I think one IJN Cruiser and a TB or two, and the TF was not in the process of unloading, just hanging out in the roadstead I think. My CA got it's head handed to it and about half my destroyers have some substantial damage. I think I only lightly bruised one of the Jap TBs. In fact my CA probably won't make Noumea or the East Coast of Oz.

So having a screen for Transport TFs looks like a smart idea...

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 7/31/2009 11:27:24 PM   
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Then the BB's showed up, presumably just after sunrise.  Mutsu and Yamashiro, plus two more CA's and escorting DD's, showed up, and got within 7000 yds before my TF could get out of there.  Even then none of my ships were sunk, although several of the CL's are shot up somewhat and are heading south for repairs. 

At Wake Island the same thing happened to my resupply TF that other players have reported; a 2 BB TF hit them on their first night after arrival, and a full brigade landed and crushed the defenses right after that.

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 8/4/2009 6:36:57 PM   
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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 8/4/2009 8:05:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		A little while ago in the Guadalcanal scenario, my US force of 2 BB, 4 CA, 8 DD surprises a Japanese TF of 1 E, 1 PB, 2 xAK while unloading.

The xAK are promptly sunk, the PB takes a beating, but the friggin´ escort ship - the Oite - survives the nearly undivided attention of of task force including two modern battleships throughout most of a long night battle, all the while firing merrily at said battleships and even scoring a completely ineffective hit on one of them.

Bottom line: 2 xAK sunk, 1 PB severely damaged, 1 E lightly damaged - I think the damn thing took all of a single 5" shell in the whole battle.
And for me? I lose one DD that is rammed, first by one battleship, then by the other, and finally by one of the cruisers. Another DD is crippled (40 major floatation damage, 40 major engine damage), two cruisers and a third destroyer come home with less severe damage from collisions.

This is great. Just bleeping great. I don´t need the damn Japs. My navy can get itself sunk without an enemy.

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 8/4/2009 8:17:34 PM   
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CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 30,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards


That's the problem:

From reports from the various Guadacanal battles, radar had a hell of a problem distinguishes shapes from island landmasses (i.e. Savo Island). That was last half of '42.

So late '41, Jap landing force in Madang, which is described thusly:
quote:

Madang Province consists of reef-fringed lowlands backed by some of the most rugged mountains in Papua New Guinea and offshore volcanic islands.


So at night, the US radar is so GOOD it can pick out EVERY ship against a jungle/mountain background from 30,000 yds (17 miles), plus IJN lookouts spot them at 24,000 yds, 13 miles, and cannot get underway in the 30 minutes+ as an amphibious TF?

The closest that in real history of the time, that these invasion intercepts occured is the Battle of Balikpapan, where a quartet of US four-stackers surprised the Japanese invasion force - they sank 3 of 12 transport and 1 PB. It seems the Yanks spotted them at under 6 miles, visually:

It seems either spotting logic is flawed for coastal hexes, or radar vastly overpowered.




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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 8/4/2009 8:19:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my ABDA battle at Jolo one of the transports ran over an escort while my cruisers were shooting at their TF.  Both of them later sank...

It's funny to read "XXX collides with YYY" as long as it isn't your ships doing the colliding...

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 8/4/2009 9:36:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Historiker
Admiral Hipper sank 7 merchants out of 18 meeting one convoi that was underway and not surprised.

Warships have searchlights and illumination granades. Moreover both sides may now take out whole fleets. GREAT!

I HATED it, when I managed to find 30 merchants with 8 warships and apart from 3-5 that were sunk, the rest ran away...


Yeah, I agree.

I think people are forgetting in the air power drenched Pacific just how dangerous a heavy cruiser was to unescorted merchant shipping.

Thats a whole taskforce there, multiple ships, that found a totally unescorted convoy at point blank range moored up. If there wasn't massacre there'd be something wrong.

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 8/4/2009 11:55:03 PM   
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Point blank range: mostly hits with devastating effect
Many warships that may all fire at the same time on different targets
"is getting underway" means they were sitting all together makeing no speed

No problem for me.

Admiral Hipper sank 7 merchants out of 18 meeting one convoi that was underway and not surprised.

Warships have searchlights and illumination granades. Moreover both sides may now take out whole fleets. GREAT!

I HATED it, when I managed to find 30 merchants with 8 warships and apart from 3-5 that were sunk, the rest ran away...



Especially annoying when it was a bunch of AK's that would have to "tie down the safties" on thier boilers to make 10 knots "running away" from warships that didn't even need to light off all their boilers to do 25 knts. Dump trucks can't run away from Corvettes.

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RE: PoW vs. Kongo, Turkey Shoot in Madang - 8/4/2009 11:57:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John Lansford
It's funny to read "XXX collides with YYY" as long as it isn't your ships doing the colliding...


But if it is, the enjoyment is rather limited. One particular USN admiral is currently serving a 400 year sentence of reform through labor (hammering out the dents in the armor plates of USS Washington) for incompetence during a night battle. The skippers of several warships are keeping him company.

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