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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/26/2009 10:23:56 AM

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The sunk ships:

In addition to these the Japanese have lost:

2 TB
15 PB
2 SC
6 DMS
5 SS
1 LSD
6 xAP
6 AK
1 AO
1 TK
9 xAK
4 xAKL

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/26/2009 10:30:02 AM

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Our losses:

In addition we have lost:
another 4 DD not shown above
2 PC
3 SS
2 DMS
As
AE
AR
5 AP (this hurts)
8 large TK

lots of sundry xAK and XAKL.

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/26/2009 10:34:44 AM

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Air losses

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/26/2009 10:39:17 AM

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Finally air pools.

Have some fighters, but lack bombers.

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/26/2009 11:25:00 AM

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02-03 March
Interesting bit in Australia :)

Burma
No Change

Sumatra
Continue to hit tank unit to reasonable effect. Good experience for our guys... but I had better switch targets.

DEI
Quiet. a small invasion TF is going around cleaning up bases... I suspect he thinks I've abandoned Ambon... will change that this next turn I think :)

Philippines

Finally some air action! Zeros sweep and Oscars and Nates escort Idas on a paltry attack on Clark. Result is:

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
Ki-36 Ida: 3 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

In return in the ground bombardments:

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14185 troops, 321 guns, 90 vehicles, Assault Value = 600

Defending force 28223 troops, 281 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 683

Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14187 troops, 321 guns, 90 vehicles, Assault Value = 600

Defending force 28115 troops, 281 guns, 118 vehicles, Assault Value = 681

Japanese ground losses:
246 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

He has given up bombarding back, or more likely he is pulling back now he has two exposed flanks....

I am puzzled by their actions in the Philippines. They have failed to co-ordinate air and ground well here. The key early war advantage for the Japanese is the ability to generate air superiority where ever you like, then bombard and disrupt the defenders before the ground force attack... I think they are trying to conserve airframes and pilots... but the impact of this is that they are loosing battles that they need to win...

Australia
Well maybe some of Tony's 6th sense have rubbed off on me :)

KB (and probably Mini KB) appear off the coast of western Australia.

I have moved (just) the CV's and a large amount of ships out of Perth only last turn, the former to the East coast, the later to Capetown (with escorts for the US CV arriving there in 10 days).

I did this in part because I know they detected the CV's about 3 turns ago when subs were attacked by CV aircraft, and for several turns I hadn't seen KB... always a worrying sign. I felt Perth was vulnerable...

I also wanted the CV's on the east Coast to support a plan I'm thinking about, and to then head to PH for the April upgrades...

I had recently moved search aircraft to Geraldton to try and give some early warning of any such move.

Well the aircraft worked well, detecting the CV's early on the first day... but the two day turns mean that they got further than I would have liked before I could do anything ... so on the end of day two, at long range:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Geraldton at 49,141

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 73
B5N2 Kate x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AO TAN 6, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
AO TAN 4, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AO TAN 5, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
AM Ipswitch, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AM Toowoomba, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
AM Latrobe, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

A small price to pay... but I fear we will pay a larger price as there are still a number of ships in Perth, most importantly 2 AS, an AE and an AD... the question is will they push forward, or retire... I actually hope the former as I have a plan hatching on the other side of Australia (but I'm waiting approval from my partner as it involves some risk).

China

We again stop them at Chuhsien, but the losses are huge for us

Japanese ground losses:
194 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (5 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1641 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 77 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 81 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

At Hankow they are sending in air and ground bombardments, but the losses are acceptable.

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/26/2009 11:46:11 AM

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After a flurry of emails here are me plans

NORPAC

Intent
Secure remaining key islands, build defences and prepare for offensive actions on the "northern route" against the Japanese home islands.

Method
Take forces "normally" asigned to Pacific and SOPAC. At least 2 Regts, USMC Def Bn's, Baseforces and aircraft.

Secure Attu Island, Adak (complete), Dutch Harbour with around 300AV and lvl 4 forts each.

Endstate
Secure base of operation sto support naval and air forces in attacking the Home Islands. Possible ground invasion in mid 1943.

Questions ?

Detailed Orders to follow...

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/26/2009 11:55:37 AM

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SWPAC

Intent
Conduct a raid on Tulagi to destroy forces, and disrupt enemy plans in the SWPAC by seizing the initiative.

Method
Forces from Fiji, NZ and Australia will converge under CV cover to seize Tulagi.

Once secure forces will retire.

Endstate
Japanese forces on Tulagi are destroyed. Allied forces recover with minimum damage.

Risks
KB Turns up. KB currently off Perth. Expect it will support actions in the DEI. will take 6-10 days to reach area once our intent is detected. Likelihood High, Consequence high, risk High! Mitigation, Intel Intel Intel.

Forces on Tulagi are too strong. We have limited combat power available, much more than a BF and engineers or an SNLF will mean that we cannot destroy them in time. Likelihood moderate, Consequence moderate risk Moderate. Mitigation will be to bombard from sea and air.

Forces from Rabaul Strike back. There is a definite air threat at Rabaul. they can reach the AO. CV's will have to stay back. Enemy surface forces have been significantly depleted though, and most are operating in the DEI. We have concentrated most of ours in the SWPAC. Likelihood moderate, consequence high, risk high. Mitigation, keep back out of range of air threat...

detailed orders to follow.

Questions?

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/26/2009 12:15:03 PM

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Int Assessment correct as at 2 March 1942.

Burma
Strong enemy ground forces detected in Malaya heading nth. Assessed as heading to Burma. Lack of transport fleet (none detected by subs in several turns, a few warships though) in Singapore indicates an overland approach.

Likely to commit significant air forces in support.

Expect another 2-3 weeks of calm in Burma (to mid March) with attack likely from mid March onwards.

DEI
Strong forces detected in the area, with KB and mini KB in support. Expect a multi divisional attack, possibly from the Batavia end, or more likely simultaneously at both ends. May try an Indian Ocean approach as KB owns the sea in the area. Attack likely within a week. Certainly by mid March to release KB to SWPAC.

SWPAC
SIGINT indicates 180+ aircraft at Truk, and lots of radio transmissions. While attack in area is possible without KB support this is considered unlikely unless he sinks our CV's (which didn't happen).

Expect Rabaul to be reinforced just prior to offensive actions and this will be a key indicator. Detection of KB in area OR out of DEI also key indicator.

Expect target is Port Moresby.

Possible CV raid on northern eastern Australian cities possible.

Expect this to occur no earlier than mid march, and certainly by end of March (invasion bonus ends).

SOPAC
Attack on Suva/New Caledonia possible but unlikely. The later is currently undefended, the former now well defended (and they know this from sub reports of shipping moving in and out).

NORPAC
No threat detected. No enemy intent detected. No enemy capability detected (our CV sank AO and 2 DD's). Expect no action until they realise the intent of our commitment here, then they may try to attack... no earlier than early April.

China
We have maintained parity so far. Expect attack on Loyang/Chengchow area soon. May need to spoil this with the forces from Sian heading forward to Nanyang.

So assessed timeline is:
1-2 weeks invasion of Java.
2-4 weeks attack on Port Moresby.
2-4 weeks attack in Burma.
5-8 weeks counter raid in NORPAC

Cheers

Rob

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/27/2009 1:48:09 AM

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Sir urgent message from General McArthur...

Message reads:

"Send Icecream machine urgently. Morale of troops is depenant on supply of suitable icecream. Current machine operating intermitatly. Send strawberry and chololate for machine as well.

Better send some more ammo as well, will pay with bannanas and pineapple."

C-inC : H'mm, where is the nearest machine?

Pearl sir.

Make it so then....

At Pearl Harbour...

They want to send a ship to the Philippines...

It needs a long range and some self protection... and room for an icecream machine and ammunition...

All we have suitable are some AG's... ok AG Artic it is, load her up!

Captain AG Artic...

You want me to WHAT!!!!!

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/27/2009 2:35:57 AM

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We have the turn back, a couple of interesting things.

First it looks like maybe only mini KB is off Perth... (3 CVL detected, but there is another TF in the same hex showing lots of BC so mayne KB is there after all) maybe they think ther was only one CV there (there were 2 US one UK). So where is KB... this is always a concern. Our CV's are at Adelaide, do we turn back or keep going...

A largish convoy, proceeded by a SCTF has left Kendari heading west... either Makassar OR Java...

Here is the Philipines update, we done good. They are building up at Legaspi though.

Now if we could get some more supply in...

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/27/2009 3:34:20 AM

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Because it is 2 day turns, a certain level of circumspection is appropriate. Therefore I would continue to move the Allied carriers from Adelaide to their jumping off position for the SoPac raid. For once, with the enemy CVs in the vicinity of Perth with the primary mission of hunting CVs (seconardy mission being to support Java invasion) they will have a greater distance to cover to get to the hotspot than the Allied CVs.

Regarding your Tulagi raid. Even if you can't destroy the enemy land defenders before you have to evacuate/retire, it would be still worthwhile if it could be timed to coincide with a NoPac CV raid. The psyhcological impact would be significant irrespective of the damage inflicted on enemy materiel.

Alfred

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/27/2009 7:57:40 PM

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Thanks Alfred, psychologocal impact, now you are talking my language... my uncouth partner just wants to bash heads...

The Cv's should be around Melbourne now, the invasion forces should be packed, see the next post for info :)

Cheers

Rob

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/27/2009 8:29:42 PM

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4-5 Mar 1942

Burma
A Japanese unit is detected heading to Prome.

Malaya
multiple TF are detected in Singapore.

Java
An enemy scouting party takes Merak (the base automatically changed hands to the Japanese).

Multiple fighter sweeps over Batavia take their toll on the defences, we loose about 12 Fighters to their losses of 2

Zeros sweep Batavaia against a lone fighter, no damage is done.

Looks like a simultaneous attack is likely very soon.

East DEI
Hudsons operating out of Ambon hit an xAK.

I'm going to move in Vindicators next turn

Philipines
My advance north in Luzon is halted from the ground and air:

Morning Air attack on 91st PA Infantry Division, at 80,75 (Bayombong)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 6
Ki-36 Ida x 21
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13

Ground combat at Bayombong (80,75)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2907 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 122

Defending force 1196 troops, 4 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 38

Allied adjusted assault: 54

Japanese adjusted defense: 61

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
91st PA Infantry Division

Defending units:
48th Recon Regiment

Looks like I need to commit more force here.

Australia
The convoys from Perth all manage to escape due to bad weather!

On the first day the Port strike on Perth (looks like both KB and Mini KB) causes damage, but most of the ships are minor ones (and why they were left in port in case they didn't port strike... Unfortunately do to a misunderstanding at my end I didn't take the advice of my partner and move all ships to Bunbury with Auto disband... this may have saved more.

Afternoon Air attack on Perth , at 49,147

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
B5N1 Kate x 28
B5N2 Kate x 139
D3A1 Val x 127

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 21 damaged
D3A1 Val: 22 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied Ships
CM Gouden Leeuw, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML No. 311, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
CM Rigel, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PC Tydeman, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AVP Merel, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Lancaster, Bomb hits 1
AVP Orion, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAKL Chungking, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Gorgon, Bomb hits 1
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 17
Port hits 6
Port supply hits 1

There are no strikes on day tow due to weather.

KB is now completely out of position to stop the Tulagi raid... OTOH we can no longer interfere with the invasion of Java... so in this instance both teams will achieve their endstates!

In Sydney the 2/5th, 2/7th independent company�s and the USA 19th Cbt engineers load into task forces escorted and supported by 5 CA, 3 CL, 7 DD, 2 DMS and head out of the heads towards Tulagi. In Fiji the 29th NZ Battalion should begin loading next turn. These TF will RV with the CV TF nth of Noumea for the raid.

USA
Sir, why are we being issued winter clothing when all the briefings have been about Fiji, which indicates that it doesn't get cold?

Pte, Orders just changed, we're off to Adak in the northern Pacific.

While still loading for Suva the 255th USN BF and the 57th Cst Arty gets new orders to proceed to Adak.

China
The Japanese attack at Chuhsien, getting 1:1 on day one, but 1:2 on day two. Losses on both days are about 1000 to us and several hundred for them...

Cheers

Rob

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/28/2009 12:18:25 AM

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It's so hard to get good help these days ..... :) Clearly Rob is going to force me into posting again!

Regards,

Tony

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/28/2009 8:56:33 AM

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Tell me about it...

Now you guys can see the amount of intellectual support I get... I guess not that surprising froma cavalry officer.

He posts that he may make a post...

In other news we have done the turn.

The stike on Perth was fairly ineffectual and no real important ships (like the AD or AS were hirt) they and a few others will go to Bunbury and disband. The rest are well out of KB reach.

The invasion TF identified leaving Kendari is off the radar at the moment.

The Tulagi raiders are mostly loaded and on their way. The CV's will be in Sydney next turn, refuel and rearm and support the SCTF as it moves up behind the raiders.

In the north a stack of transports are noted in reach of of or raiding CV by subs, it should be in loc in 3-4 days :)

China is very quiet. We have slipped behind their lines in a number of places. His mega stack has stopped moving, and we are attempting something clever...

The first LB-30 unit has formed in the North Pacific...

Can we get the war over by Christmas?

cheers

Rob

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/28/2009 7:10:49 PM

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Please allow me to interject a ? WHy did you choose a 2 day cycle? Is that the best way to go for the campaign scenario, for all of them?

Thanks!

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/28/2009 8:22:51 PM

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It is a good balance of speed (the game happens twice as fast, so maybe only 2 years rather than 4 to finish), control (3 day turns I find the loss of control is two much, 2 days you still loos some control though) and feel (IRL the passage of information, which you require for control, was much slower, and while you had comanders on the ground, they couldn't always read your mind... or follow your instructions anyway).

So overall I really like 2 day turns, you loose a bit of control, but that loss of control adds to the realism and suspence. You are less likely to do really risky things, and you are more likley to plan and think, rather than click.

It works best in the grand scenario, works ok in the smaller ones as well, but there time is not so much of an issue.

Cheers

Rob

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Please allow me to interject a ?� WHy did you choose a 2 day cycle?� Is that the best way to go for the campaign scenario, for all of them?

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/29/2009 4:45:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jrcar

Tell me about it...

Now you guys can see the amount of intellectual support I get... I guess not that surprising froma cavalry officer.

He posts that he may make a post...

Just as long he doesn't sound the last post. Anyway, embrace your new buddies ie those who read and post on this AAR - they should provide you with some intellectual challenges.

I like that in China, you have infiltrated behind enemy lines (for both the practical - cutting of supply lines, and psychological aspects). I am not so certain that being "clever" in China is wise. Although I do really bow to your 12 month experience beta testing AE, it seems to me to be a universal truth, that early 1942 Chinese LCUs (with their low experience levels, lack of supply etc) lack any offensive capability. When they attack, they seem to generate as their adjusted assault value only about 25% of their raw assault value, and the defending Japanese LCUs adjusted assault value is 140-175% (because of terrain, leaders, being in supply etc) of their raw assault value.

In an earlier post, you stated that the NoPac CV raid returned to adulation from the seals. I want to know why the local polar bear population did not join in (after all they are a somewhat more martial animal than seals) and what was your final assessment of the damage inflicted upon the enemy.

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/29/2009 6:45:05 AM

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6-7 March 1942

Burma
Enemy forces have reached Prome.

Java
Forces have landed both ends of the island. At the SE:

Amphibious Assault at Banjoewangi

TF 10 troops unloading over beach at Banjoewangi, 57,107

Japanese ground losses:
206 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 24th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 24th Infantry Rgt /3
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt
70mm T92 Howitzer lost from landing craft during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt
70mm T92 Howitzer lost overboard during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt /3
15 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt /4
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th/C Div /1
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 4th/C Div
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 4th/C Div
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 16th Army /1
8 Engineers lost in surf during unload of 2nd Engr Rgt
15 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 2nd Engr Rgt
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad accidentally lost during unload of 2nd Engr Rgt
7.7mm T99 AAMG lost overboard during unload of 4th/C Div /3
Motorized Support lost overboard during unload of 16th Army

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Amphibious Assault at Banjoewangi

TF 124 troops unloading over beach at Banjoewangi, 57,107

Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th/A Div
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 4th/A Div /3
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th/A Div /5
15 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 4th/A Div /7

It looks like about 2 Div's worth of troops. They will need more than that to get past Malang :)

On the NW Merak now has troops in it after the local inhabitants declared to the enemy... probably they have been air transported in.

East DEI

My Dive bombers do good :)

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Boela at 80,110

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3
SB2U-3 Vindicator x 14

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Goyo Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Yamahuku Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
132 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

But Ambon is hit fairly hard from the air... I don't have any fighters with the legs to Defend Ambon ... it was good while it lasted. Most of the combat troops have been evacuated to Darwin, and the rest of the baseforce will follow soon.

Philippines
I've moved forces north and will shock attack at the 48th Recon Regiment.

Supply is down to about 10K total in the defended area.
Manila is 70% to level 5, and I have about 3000 in resources in stock and more flowing in all the time. I am now resting a lot of combat units, but have allowed some to take on reinforcements.

Our bombardments at Clark are being very effective, If I can chase off the 48th I may try to encircle the enemy at Clark... may as well go down fighting...

The Icecream machine convoy is approaching Midway Island... about to move into the danger zone!

Australia
The cunning plan to move ships to Bussleton and have them auto-disband failed... for some reason they did not auto disband :( Plus they hit Perth again, here are the losses :

AG Gemma, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
AD Black Hawk, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Mangola, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Empire Hamble, Bomb hits 8, and is sunk
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 9, and is sunk
xAK Lowana, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
AMc Olive Cam, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Kanlaon II, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Patris, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Talang Akar, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Kwangtung, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Lancaster, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Gorgon, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML No. 310, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AVP Orion, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AMc Bonthorpe, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

While we haven't lost anything important they have bagged a bit... lesson learned, listen to your instincts! They deserve to get something for their efforts though, they have done a good job scaring away our CV groups (well we were moving anyway). Note Perth is not a good spot to store ships when not needed!

On the East coast our convoys should be at the initial RV and the CV and SCTF will sail to meet them. Troops are 50% loaded in Suva for Tulagi... so far going to plan, but need to get a hustle on!

NORPAC
Our CV group is about to leave the waters controlled by us and is 3-4 days from hitting the TF's at Kushiro 9which are being reported on by our subs).

In China they have moved into Loyang, but one of our clear things paid off:

Ground combat at 87,45

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 360 troops, 0 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Defending force 11375 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 368

Japanese adjusted assault: 2

Allied adjusted defense: 74

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 37

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: HQ(+), shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 26 (14 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Armored Car Co

Defending units:
90th Chinese Corps

Our intent is to molest individual Japanese units :)

We will try to cut off the Loyang forces, which we are in a good position to do. We have about 2000AV at Sian which will now move forward and threaten Nanyang... if we can win one of these battles the Japanese will be in trouble.... but with the Chinese this is a big ask!

Cheers

Rob

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/29/2009 7:14:27 AM

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China is very very tough as the Allies. The Chinese forces are almost incapable of offensive action (sounds like history to me!) but do Ok on the defence. The thing that isn't quiet right is arty bombardments, and that detracts. We worked on it but never solved the problem... maybe in a patch :)

The CV raid wasn't that effective, 2 DD's 1 AO and some xAKL... but I'm now 2 turns from raid 2... and that should change their minds a bit on the threat. Have plenty of fuel and supply to do this until they stop me... and that will take either mini KB or KB... pulling them away from somewhere else.

Norpac is about a month from being even more more active, Adak is now secure (lvl 3 forts 150 AV) and the first LB30 unit should be operating there... can reach out a long way :).

Will pull forces from PH and build up the airpower.... but not yet, want them to comit elsewhere (like SWPAC) before we become really annoying.

Cheers

Rob

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ORIGINAL: jrcar

Tell me about it...

Now you guys can see the amount of intellectual support I get... I guess not that surprising froma cavalry officer.

He posts that he may make a post...

Just as long he doesn't sound the last post. Anyway, embrace your new buddies ie those who read and post on this AAR - they should provide you with some intellectual challenges.

I like that in China, you have infiltrated behind enemy lines (for both the practical - cutting of supply lines, and psychological aspects). I am not so certain that being "clever" in China is wise. Although I do really bow to your 12 month experience beta testing AE, it seems to me to be a universal truth, that early 1942 Chinese LCUs (with their low experience levels, lack of supply etc) lack any offensive capability. When they attack, they seem to generate as their adjusted assault value only about 25% of their raw assault value, and the defending Japanese LCUs adjusted assault value is 140-175% (because of terrain, leaders, being in supply etc) of their raw assault value.

In an earlier post, you stated that the NoPac CV raid returned to adulation from the seals. I want to know why the local polar bear population did not join in (after all they are a somewhat more martial animal than seals) and what was your final assessment of the damage inflicted upon the enemy.

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/29/2009 1:43:52 PM

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The cunning plan to move ships to Bussleton and have them auto-disband failed... for some reason they did not auto disband

I have noted that auto disband TFs don't always auto disband when you think they should.

Perhaps you should send the save to a dev

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 12:02:43 AM

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8-9 Mar 1942

Good action in java, Philippines and China!

Burma
Prome falls

Sumatra
the Japanese forces continue to clean up the southern part of the Island.

Java
In the NW at Merak forces are flown in, we hit the transports, and the troops on the ground with aircraft to good effect, they sweep with Oscars. Not much we can do. A large invasion TF appears at Oosthaven to load troops for the crossing. SS 020 tries to engage but misses. On day two we manage to hit one of the ships:

xAK Ryuyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

At the other end of the inland the war has gone really hot!

During the night several groups of PT boats engage the various TF from Sorebaya, the following are the key outcomes of the swirling fight:

Round one
TB Sagi, Shell hits 1

xAP Tsingtao Maru collides with AMC Akagi Maru at 57 , 107
DD Kawakaze collides with CM Yaeyama at 57 , 107
DD Umikaze collides with CM Yaeyama at 57 , 107
xAK Victoria Maru collides with AMC Akagi Maru at 57 , 107
CS Mizuho collides with CM Yaeyama at 57 , 107
xAP Huzi Maru collides with AMC Akagi Maru at 57 , 107
xAK Dakar Maru collides with AMC Akagi Maru at 57 , 10

Round two
CMc Washizaki, heavy damage
xAK Myoko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

PT-32, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

CL Nagara collides with CMc Washizaki at 57 , 107
xAK Myoko Maru collides with CM Itsukushima at 57 , 107
xAK Yasukawa Maru collides with CM Itsukushima at 57 , 107
xAK Toko Maru collides with CM Itsukushima at 57 , 107

Round 3

PT TM-9, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

xAP Tsingtao Maru collides with AMC Kiyosumi Maru at 57 , 107
xAK Toko Maru collides with AMC Kiyosumi Maru at 57 , 107
xAP Ukishima Maru collides with AMC Kiyosumi Maru at 57 , 107
xAP Argentina Maru collides with AMC Kiyosumi Maru at 57 , 107

Round 4
CS Mizuho, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
TB Sagi, Shell hits 2, on fire
AMC Kiyosumi Maru, heavy damage

PT TM-15, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

xAP Baikal Maru collides with AMC Aikoku Maru at 57 , 107
xAP Argentina Maru collides with AMC Aikoku Maru at 57 , 107
AMC Aikoku Maru collides with AMC Kiyosumi Maru at 57 , 107
xAK Tenryu Maru collides with AMC Aikoku Maru at 57 , 107

Round 5 (react engagement with withdrawing ships)
xAK Toko Maru, heavy damage

PT TM-10, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

The significant number of collisions was due to the large number of vessels... around 60-70 total!

During the day we have more surface engagements with reacting TF's and our air chimes in... they have no CAP up so a good day overall... here are the highlights:

xAK Dakar Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAK Myoko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Taizan Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Dairen Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

MTB 12, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB 26, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

The base (unsurprisingly) falls to:
4th/B Div /2
2nd Engineer Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
146th Infantry Regiment
4th/C Division
16th Infantry Regiment
4th/A Division
8th Tank Rgt /1
16th Army

The next day of combat sees:

xAK Nichiyu Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Itsukushima, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Heian Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Tsukuba Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Hoten Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Overall a good day for the defence considering how little is there!

East DEI
Ambon is trashed by Netties... they should have done this earlier, it cost them 2-3 ships.

Philippines
Our northen attack continues and we push the hated enemy further back

Ground combat at Bayombong (80,75)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6930 troops, 96 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 270

Defending force 1283 troops, 4 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 37

Allied adjusted assault: 213

Japanese adjusted defense: 79

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Bayombong !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
170 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (28 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
268 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
91st PA Infantry Division
2nd PA Constabulary Regiment

Defending units:
48th Recon Regiment

No combat at Clark... maybe they have all retreated to Lingayen?! will find out when I get the turn

China
Submarine attack near Haiphong at 69,58

Japanese Ships
xAK Zyuyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS KXIII

Loyang is attacked, it holds for one day then falls on the second.

Chusien also falls

But we trash two armoured units, destroying 5th Armored Car Co, and very roughly handling 15th Tank Regiment (probably 50% strength).

Elsewhere we loose a subs to mines at Hakodate.

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 12:03:03 AM

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Good point,well made!

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ORIGINAL: erstad

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The cunning plan to move ships to Bussleton and have them auto-disband failed... for some reason they did not auto disband

I have noted that auto disband TFs don't always auto disband when you think they should.

Perhaps you should send the save to a dev

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 1:16:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jrcar

Good point,well made!

quote:

ORIGINAL: erstad

quote:

The cunning plan to move ships to Bussleton and have them auto-disband failed... for some reason they did not auto disband

I have noted that auto disband TFs don't always auto disband when you think they should.

Perhaps you should send the save to a dev

In one of life's little coincidences, the turn I got back today (after I posted) had the same problem, so I did post my save. Not that a second one would hurt.

Fortunately, I just lost a PC.

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 9:23:43 AM

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Excellent AAR. I would bet your opponents are somewhat demoralized by this point.

I'm currently playing against the AI as Allies and what I call Nellies (Nells and Betties; I see you call them Netties) have really forced me to tone down shipping and surface movements in the DEI and even to Rangoon (before it was taken in mid-Feb.) since fairly early days. It seems your opponents are giving you far too much room to maneuver in the interest of preserving their 2-engine naval bombers. What are your thoughts?

Cheers,
CC

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 11:50:02 AM

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Thanks CC, we appreciate the comments.

I agree with your analysis, it isn't how I play but may be a better way... we shall see. At this stage their airforce is formidable and largely untouched... likewise ours. I actually think the decisive battle will be Burma. We have about 700AV at Myitkyina, and it is almost lvl 5 forts... To get us out of that will take all their airpower... but they still have it. If they don't take that base then we have a great jumping off point for offensive actions... one that we will use.

I think they are being overly conservative, and that they haven't synchronised their assets that well (such as the Netties). Their use of KB to shield the landings in JAV has been good, except the inexplicable lack of LRCAP to cover the Invasion TF (I would have used mini KB).

Otoh I think they are playing the long game, and their horder of HI, planes and pilots may paay off... after all you "win" as the japanese by casuing delay... not holding ground.

So it isn't how I play and I don't agree with it, but it may have merit.

Cheers

Rob

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Excellent AAR. I would bet your opponents are somewhat demoralized by this point.

I'm currently playing against the AI as Allies and what I call Nellies (Nells and Betties; I see you call them Netties) have really forced me to tone down shipping and surface movements in the DEI and even to Rangoon (before it was taken in mid-Feb.) since fairly early days. It seems your opponents are giving you far too much room to maneuver in the interest of preserving their 2-engine naval bombers. What are your thoughts?

Cheers,
CC

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 2:44:49 PM

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Yeah, the thing that surprises me most is the number of times you've found TFs that weren't LRCAPed.

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 9:26:06 PM

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It it has surprised us even more. OTOH I think that is their strategy, to conserve aircraft now, not build up the factories, and wait for better ones. LRCAP does tend to waste Japanese aircraft over time. And it does scare me a bit to think of all those good air units, with low fatigue, great trg levels AND god aircraft... when we fight it will be... bloody... and we will hurt more.

The downside is they have lost ships because of this decision... but maybe they have saved points overall.

It's not what I may do but may not be wrong, we shall see!

Cheers
Rob

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 9:30:44 PM

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Thoughts
Intel indicates most of the northern "string" of islands leading north from Japan are undefended. There is little air support and fewer airfields.

I feel a raid may be in order.

I have about 5 APD's at Dutch Harbour that can carry a raider/para bn to capture one of these islands... then withdraw. Do this a few times to take a number of bases, maybe put in a small element and fly Cats out.

I am actually quite keen on an advance from this approach :)

Cheers

Rob

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RE: Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik) - 10/30/2009 10:27:18 PM

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We have about 700AV at Myitkyina, and it is almost lvl 5 forts...

I had 900AV at Mandalay when I was forced out and much less when I lost Myitkyina. I couldnt really make a strong stand until I got some of the British and Aussie brigades up the trail from Imphal and finally re-took Myitkyina in the summer.

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