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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 9:57:42 AM   
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Do you make much use of the new system of waypoints?
I assume plotting these is easier than in the original BOB and BTR?

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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 11:59:49 AM   
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Hard Sarge,

Do you make much use of the new system of waypoints?
I assume plotting these is easier than in the original BOB and BTR?

DavidR


I would have to say, YES, I used them, use them alot, and they are very importent

overall, I still am used to the old way, so use the mouse to set the points most times, but have been trying to use the bottons to do it more, it can be odd though, I do try to plot the exit point, to be as long as I can, to where I want it going, the AI is going to try and follow the WPs, but if damaged, low on fuel, it is going to go into fastest way home, so tends to cut the corners, so I try and help it along with giving it the shortest route out



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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 1:09:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Figures, plotted the raids and took my snaps, but didn't have the program running, so only get the last one

goal for the day, is to get to the next level for Terror and SD

main targets are Rubber and OilS sites, need to start getting the attack under focus, 2ndary raids are RR and Terror

going heavy after 10 Group on the other side

Would help if I attached the snap shot




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 1:10:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		what you don't see if the first raid, headed towards one of the ports on the east coast, that is the decoy, but don't plan on it really pulling too many planes out of the battle, maybe keep Cotterhall (?) honest

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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 3:33:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting day, almost another one of those, what happened to my plans !!!!

first wave took off fine, then the 2nd wave ran into heavy weather and sat, my units that needed the cover and confusion of the 1st wave, were almost a hour late in there take off, that hurt, also, the main raid of the day was late in taking off, which ended up finding a wall of clouds on top of there target

my It Fighters took a bit of hurt, but they did there job well, those attack planes and Stukas could of been slaughter bait

didn't live up to my goals, but came in close, which is almost the same thing

this is almost a cowhorn/bullhorn attack, works well, when it works (of course, the 5 missing raids would of made it work much better !)




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 3:37:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		just in case, bad things are going on, on the home front, so I am sort of distracted

here is the damage from the day's raids, decent, but could be much better

wanted that dang RR, think that is the 3rd raid on it




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 3:39:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		of course that is the wrong damage screen, but wanted to show it also

the simi decoy raid, did what was expected, pulled some Squadrons from the North in, of course, the 4 planes shot down in the first pass, wasn't expected, nor was the lead Gruppen, dropping there load and turning for home, totally shattered the formation, and let the RAF get some cheap shots in, but in the end, the rest regrouped and headed in and did decent damage to the target, just glad it wasn't a deep raid, they would of been slaughtered





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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 3:41:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		which as said, that is a snap with the F2 key hit, so only the targets that were plotted are showing

here are the late boys




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 3:42:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		here are the losses as of day 4, the IT fighters did a good job in protecting there charges, they still took heavy losses but not as bad as it could of been

even got a few in return, but most were just damaged and driven off




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/29/2009 3:44:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		that target bears a charmed life, the recon bird got nailed right on the coast coming home

shifted one of my Ju 86 units to the south, nothing like a 40 K mission, to find out what you want

got my SD damage, am close to the Terror damage, did well on RAF losses, but still battle is a little tight, but I think I am closing in




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 7:10:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		sitting back in the High Command Chato after the day's missions, was thinking, that the reports from the raids into Group 10 area, were disappointing

and while, you should always support strength when you can, and to keep to the main focus during a battle, I have decided to shift forces

JG 3 has been ordered to Beast, JG 2 will head towards Morlax

ZG 26 and 76 may soon follow (that will free up some of the Fighter Gruppen for hunts)

10 Group is not the close in target rich area that 11 Group is, but it still has some good major targets

but to get to them, RAF has to be knocked down or weaken in the area

this also will give me a chance to set up two buzzsaws, the RAF does not want to lay down and die a peaceful death, it plans on going down kicking and screaming

I also got a pretty good jump in the 1st four turns, I think I can spend a week-10 days on working on the RAF

(this has to be watched closely, focus too much on the fighers, and you lose the battle to lack of damage, spend all of your resourses on damage and the fighters wear you out)



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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 7:12:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		so with that in mind, day 5 is partly a Hoiliday, most units are given the day off

with a few raids sent out, to keep the RAF on there toes






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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 7:14:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol, interesting, put up some 8-900 planes and that is giving them the day off !!!


but does not look like the RAF is going to follow suit, 800 fighters are up in the air and my raids have not taken off yet !






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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 7:15:29 PM   
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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 7:17:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		wow, looks like at least 27 squadrons on patrol in 10 Group

I may have to shift JG 51 over too !!!



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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 9:52:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		oddly, turned out to be a pretty good day, overall, I think the RAF came up too fast, too soon, we were in fuel trouble once they got close enough to engage

here is a backdoor sweep that should of worked, but, oddly, they did nothing, didn't even reach the coast, must of dropped tanks when they got close to enemy fighters, then went to full burn and used up there fuel, and then turned for home

of course, the "bad" idea part was it was JG 77 (Bf 109E4) the idea was to get in, hit and get out, with 2 Gruppen from JG 2 giving protection, the 4 don't have much range, and this time it showed up






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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 9:54:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		FOW and all, but would be nice if the numbers were real !!!!

then did good, but nowhere near that good !






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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 9:56:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol, what a dummy, I moved a Ju 86 recon section over, and then send out a mission at 35000, which the RAF can reach, got one shot down and the other damaged and turned back

so, still don't know what the damage to the target is !!!



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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 9:57:14 PM   
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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 9:58:00 PM   
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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 9:58:37 PM   
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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 10:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		of course, since this is my simi AAR, I not showing the guys who got popped on the chin :)

JG 2 has made the move, tomorrow the ZG will do some moving, then the next day, the campaign Fish and Chips will begin

seen 3 squadrons of Kitties in the air and one of Matlets, so the RAF is starting to shift forces around, damage and losses on the frontlines are starting to get heavy

sooo, Luft 3 get a couple of days off, Luft 2 will depend on weather, the CRI (?) gets some more night missions

think it may be time for Luft 5 to get to work, the RAF in the north should need rest



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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 11:19:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had my bad day, the RAF had there, so we even

forces are being shifted, plans are in place, now to wait for them to go into action




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 11:21:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		DANG, the RAF is sleeping, my decoy and sneak gets off and to target and back before the RAF can react (of course, I miss the target because of weather, but alot of fighters were wasted for a nothing raid)






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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 11:22:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		of course, if the RAF was slow in reacting, that is going to mean, they are still going to be in place for the follow up guys

ahhh, crudwell




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/30/2009 11:25:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		smaller raids give my boys some rest, and refit, but also, works the same for the enemy, in two days, they going to need all the rest that can get




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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/31/2009 3:00:54 AM   
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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/31/2009 3:02:02 AM   
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Oper fish and chips begins






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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/31/2009 4:07:18 AM   
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of course, could of used some better bombing !, but overall, happy with it






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RE: Boy talk about a bad day - 8/31/2009 4:09:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I counted at least 12 Squadrons that reacted, with FOW in the reports, it is HARD to tell what really happened, where

my IT's show some 65 kills for the day (yea right) but they did get a couple



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