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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/25/2009 8:22:59 PM

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Great AAR Seydlitz. Thankfully your secondary CA group wasn't the 1st one to engage the POW else he may well have gotten away with an allied victory. Brave of him to send out the heavy surface units so far from java. Any betty bases closeby ? i.e lvl 2 and air HQ ? I'm guessing he thinks your so focused on Russia that your neglecting the DEI. wee you proved him wrong if that was his assumption

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Really interesting game you have going here. I noticed his I15 and I16 losses are horrific, looking at the stats nates should be the rough equal vs I15's but beware the new arriving mig3's . i think they would chop the Nates from the skies. IIRC the Mig3 was a high altitude interceptor in concept (havnt looked at in game stats) but it may be worth comparing it vs the Zero and maybe adjust sweep height when you encounter them.

Just my 2p

Good Luck and I'll be

while you

splat the Reds

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 8:29:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Great AAR Seydlitz. Thankfully your secondary CA group wasn't the 1st one to engage the POW else he may well have gotten away with an allied victory. Brave of him to send out the heavy surface units so far from java. Any betty bases closeby ? i.e lvl 2 and air HQ ? I'm guessing he thinks your so focused on Russia that your neglecting the DEI. wee you proved him wrong if that was his assumption .

Really interesting game you have going here. I noticed his I15 and I16 losses are horrific, looking at the stats nates should be the rough equal vs I15's but beware the new arriving mig3's . i think they would chop the Nates from the skies. IIRC the Mig3 was a high altitude interceptor in concept (havnt looked at in game stats) but it may be worth comparing it vs the Zero and maybe adjust sweep height when you encounter them.

Just my 2p

Good Luck and I'll be while you splat the Reds

Fighting Russia and China while still trying to conquer the SRA really does put a strain on Japan. A couple of turns ago I saw him pop up a two HDML surface combat TF in Singapore to test and see if I still had any Betties or Nells in the area. He found out that I did. I Have 3 units around Saigon and another flying out of Babelbub (sp.?).

Funny thing with the Mig 3 is they haven't done as well against the nates because their maneuver is so low. It is kind of like the issues that I have had with my zeroes not being able to chew through the I-153 biplanes. I take some losses, but it is clearly not the scale like we see in stock where the U.S. player brings in the corsairs and its all over for whatever the Japanese player is flying.

Glad that you are enjoying the AAR.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 12:29:27 PM

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Turn 36 11 Jan 1942

Started the turn off with a sub on sub attack as RO-33 attacked a Russian sub two hexes out of Vladivostok.
No indication of a hit, however, but it was definitely exciting.

Subs can be decent ASW platforms in the right circumstances.
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Sub vs Sub: SS RO-33 attacking SS ShCh-139 at 110,49 - near Vladivostok

Japanese Ships
SS RO-33

Allied Ships
SS ShCh-139

SS RO-33 launches 2 torpedoes at 1,000 yards...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 12:42:22 PM

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Here was an interesting attack....
It was listed as an ASW attack but started off with RO-61 torpedoing DD Bagley. The other destroyer, DD Blue then attacked RO-61 until she ran out of depth charges.

This is the first time that I can recall an ASW attack where the sub actively defended itself.

DD Bagley is listed on the ships sunk screen for the turn and she didn't participate in the counterattacks.
I must say that this is very unusual because the sub attack is not mentioned in the combat reports but as you can see from the screenie it actually happened. I guess I will as my opponent what it looked like from his side.

H6K4 Mavis sighting report: 2 Allied ships at 147,100 near Wake Island, speed 13, Moving West

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ASW attack near Wake Island at 136,98

Japanese Ships
SS RO-61, hits 4

Allied Ships
DD Blue

RO-61 bottoming out .......
DD Blue fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Blue attacking submerged sub .......
DD Blue attacking submerged sub .......
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue attacking submerged sub .......
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue attacking submerged sub .......
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
DD Blue is out of ASW ammo...
Escort abandons search for sub...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 12:43:43 PM

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Here is the ships sunk screen for the turn. As you can see, DD Bagley is also on this screen.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 12:52:05 PM

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against the AI i've a similar situation, with 1 CA and 1 DD hit: I load as japan to see and it was real results

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 12:58:22 PM

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As you may have guessed, we also had two more decent sized naval battles during the turn. CL Nagara and DD Yukikaze succumbed to wounds suffered in last turn's combats, but the rest are all from this turn.

First was the battle at night a few hexes north of Rabaul where the ANZAC cruisers attempted to intercept my Rabaul second wave. I had anticipated this fight and had more warships than transports. Due to the weather and darkness it was another short ranged fight. This obviously caused confusion as one of my destroyers was twice involved in collisions during the battle (once with a CL and then with another DD) and I saw two of my transports collide.

Overall, the force gave a good accounting of itself and two more enemy cruisers are on the bottom.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kavieng at 105,123, Range 12,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Maya, Shell hits 2
CA Ashigara, Shell hits 12, heavy fires
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 1, on fire
CA Furutaka
CA Kako, Shell hits 1
CL Tenryu
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 1
CL Yubari, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
DD Oboro, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Mutsuki
DD Kisaragi
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki
DD Kikuzuki, heavy damage
DD Mochizuki, Shell hits 1
DD Yuzuki
DD Asakaze
DD Matsukaze
DD Oite
DD Hayate, Shell hits 1
PB Fukui Maru, Shell hits 1
PB Hakkaisan Maru, Shell hits 1
PB Ikunta Maru, Shell hits 1
PB Kaikei Maru
PB Kaiun Maru
AMC Kinryu Maru
AMC Kongo Maru
xAK Venice Maru
xAK Nittai Maru

Allied Ships
CA Pensacola, Shell hits 6, on fire
CA Australia, Shell hits 19, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA Canberra, Shell hits 34, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CL Leander
CL Achilles
CL Perth, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Adelaide, Shell hits 1
DD Voyager

Reduced sighting due to 32% moonlight...
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 32% moonlight: 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 12,000 yards...
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 12,000 yards...
DD Yayoi collides with DD Mochizuki at 105 , 123 ...

CA Canberra fires at CL Yubari at 12,000 yards...
CA Canberra fires at CA Furutaka at 12,000 yards...
CA Canberra fires at CA Kinugasa at 12,000 yards...
CL Achilles fires at CL Yubari at 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CA Canberra engages CL Yubari at 6,000 yards...
CL Yubari engages CA Australia at 6,000 yards...
CA Kinugasa engages CA Pensacola at 6,000 yards...
CA Aoba engages CA Canberra at 6,000 yards...
CL Yubari engages CL Perth at 6,000 yards...
CA Maya engages CA Canberra at 6,000 yards...
CL Leander engages CL Yubari at 6,000 yards...
CL Tatsuta engages CA Canberra at 6,000 yards...
CA Canberra engages DD Kisaragi at 6,000 yards...
DD Oboro engages CA Canberra at 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CL Yubari engages CA Canberra at 4,000 yards...
CA Australia engages CL Yubari at 4,000 yards...
CA Kinugasa engages CA Canberra at 4,000 yards...
CA Kinugasa engages CL Adelaide at 4,000 yards...
CL Perth engages CL Yubari at 4,000 yards...
CA Canberra engages CA Maya at 4,000 yards...
CA Canberra engages CL Yubari at 4,000 yards...
CA Canberra engages CL Tatsuta at 4,000 yards...
CL Adelaide engages DD Matsukaze at 4,000 yards...
CA Canberra engages DD Mochizuki at 4,000 yards...
DD Yayoi engages CA Canberra at 4,000 yards...
CA Canberra engages PB Ikunta Maru at 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CL Yubari collides with DD Kikuzuki at 105 , 123 ...

CL Yubari engages CA Canberra at 2,000 yards...
CL Yubari engages CA Australia at 2,000 yards...
CL Yubari sunk by CA Pensacola at 2,000 yards...

CA Canberra sunk by CA Ashigara at 2,000 yards...

Range increases to 3,000 yards...
CA Australia engages CA Kako at 3,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages CA Ashigara at 3,000 yards...
CA Kinugasa engages CA Australia at 3,000 yards...
CL Perth engages CA Ashigara at 3,000 yards...
CA Australia engages CA Ashigara at 3,000 yards...
CA Maya engages CA Australia at 3,000 yards...
CL Tatsuta engages CA Australia at 3,000 yards...
DD Hayate engages CA Australia at 3,000 yards...
CA Australia engages DD Yuzuki at 3,000 yards...
CA Australia engages DD Mochizuki at 3,000 yards...
CA Australia engages PB Fukui Maru at 3,000 yards...
Range increases to 4,000 yards...
CA Kako engages CA Australia at 4,000 yards...
CA Australia engages CA Furutaka at 4,000 yards...
CA Kinugasa engages CA Australia at 4,000 yards...
CA Australia engages CA Aoba at 4,000 yards...
CA Ashigara engages CL Achilles at 4,000 yards...
CL Leander engages CA Ashigara at 4,000 yards...
CL Tatsuta engages DD Voyager at 4,000 yards...
CA Australia engages PB Fukui Maru at 4,000 yards...
Range increases to 6,000 yards...
CA Kako engages CA Pensacola at 6,000 yards...
CA Furutaka engages CA Pensacola at 6,000 yards...
CL Perth engages CA Furutaka at 6,000 yards...
CA Ashigara engages CL Achilles at 6,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages CA Ashigara at 6,000 yards...
DD Voyager engages DD Oboro at 6,000 yards...
DD Yayoi engages DD Voyager at 6,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages PB Kaikei Maru at 6,000 yards...
CL Adelaide engages PB Hakkaisan Maru at 6,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
DD Yuzuki collides with DD Kikuzuki at 105 , 123 ...

CA Ashigara engages CA Pensacola at 9,000 yards...
CA Furutaka engages CA Pensacola at 9,000 yards...
CL Perth engages CA Ashigara at 9,000 yards...
CA Ashigara engages CL Achilles at 9,000 yards...
CA Ashigara engages CA Pensacola at 9,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages CA Maya at 9,000 yards...
DD Mochizuki engages DD Voyager at 9,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages DD Yayoi at 9,000 yards...
DD Mutsuki engages DD Voyager at 9,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages PB Ikunta Maru at 9,000 yards...
CA Kako engages CA Pensacola at 9,000 yards...
CL Adelaide engages CA Ashigara at 9,000 yards...
CL Perth engages CA Kinugasa at 9,000 yards...
CL Achilles engages CA Ashigara at 9,000 yards...
CA Ashigara engages CA Pensacola at 9,000 yards...
DD Voyager engages DD Oboro at 9,000 yards...
DD Voyager engages DD Asakaze at 9,000 yards...
DD Uzuki engages DD Voyager at 9,000 yards...
DD Voyager engages DD Kisaragi at 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
CA Kako engages CA Pensacola at 10,000 yards...
CA Furutaka engages CL Perth at 10,000 yards...
CL Perth engages CA Ashigara at 10,000 yards...
CL Achilles engages CA Aoba at 10,000 yards...
CL Leander engages CA Ashigara at 10,000 yards...
CA Maya engages CA Pensacola at 10,000 yards...
DD Kisaragi engages DD Voyager at 10,000 yards...
DD Oboro engages DD Voyager at 10,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages AMC Kongo Maru at 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages CA Ashigara at 8,000 yards...
CA Pensacola engages CA Furutaka at 8,000 yards...
CA Ashigara engages CL Perth at 8,000 yards...
CA Aoba engages CA Pensacola at 8,000 yards...
CA Ashigara engages CA Pensacola at 8,000 yards...
CA Maya engages DD Voyager at 8,000 yards...
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape...
Task forces break off......

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:03:11 PM

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I find it interesting after reviewing the combat report text that it doesn't list text saying that CA Kako sank the Australia but that is what the combat showed as did the summary and the ships sunk screen.

Here is what my damaged ships looked like after the battle...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:10:32 PM

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Just about all of Kikizuki's engine and flotation damage are major. I guess that she was rammed broadside in the engine room during one of the collisions.

He did win strategically by forcing my second wave to turn back to truk instead of landing at Rabaul. I am about done with this however. The last carrier of the KB just completed repairs at Kure and they are sailing for Truk next turn.

Note that I did alter the KB's composition. Instead of one large TF with 6 carriers, it is now 6 TFs with 1 carrier, 2 DDs in each. Three of the TFs have either a CA or CS as an addition. The CAs are Tone and Chikuma and the CS is Chitose. This provides the additional scouting power that I need. By running like this, I can compartmentalize the damage in an airstrike.
The KB is now commanded by Admiral Yamaguchi riding in Shokaku.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:11:56 PM

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So far so good ! Although I wish you would go ahead and just finish off those pesky Soviets

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:14:17 PM

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I was somewhat surprised to see a repeat attack at Tarakan this turn after the grinder that we had experienced last turn. I have no doubt that Mark will also be surprised when he runs the turn to find that I had a fresh surface combat TF there with all of the Mogamis.

This one was pretty one sided.

It was another one of those 1,000 yard night battles.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 67,91, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Shell hits 2
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 1
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Hagikaze

Allied Ships
DD Alden
DD Barker
DD Bulmer
DD Paul Jones
DD Parrott
DD Whipple, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Stewart
DD Banckert
DD Van Nes
DD Witte de With
DD Evertsen
DD Kortenaer
DD Piet Hein, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:17:28 PM

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After the combat the allied task force retreated towards Balikpapan and into my sub picket line. Hopefully I will get some hits next turn.

In the meantime, I did finally capture Tarakan this turn.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:22:31 PM

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This pbem has seen more early surface combat than I am used to seeing. I think that this may be because he feels that my land based air and KB are focused on Russia and that he can get in to my invasion task forces down south with less risk. At any rate, I have tried to make sure that my invasion TFs are protected and have committed my surface ships. Hopefully my crews will gain additional experience from all of this fighting that will help us later in the war.

Over in Malaya, my troops finally got into position to attack something, which they will do next turn.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:25:32 PM

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Yamada Datai, flying out of Bangkok, flew a sweep to Moulmein where they uncovered the AVG unit there.
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 21000 feet
2 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 21000 feet

CAP engaged:
AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:30:32 PM

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My nates flew top cover over my large stack of ground troops entering Rybilov and shot down several Russian bombers. However, over Vladivostok, I had a Betty unit fly an anti-shipping strike escorted by zeroes. In this case the intercepting Soviet biplanes swamped the escort, shooting down several zeroes and Betties.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Vladivostok at 112,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 56 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
G4M1 Betty x 19

Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 8
I-153 x 24
I-16m24 x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Rezhtelnyi
DD Stalin
DD Buistro
DD Revanch

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 11000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 11000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:32:49 PM

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The important development for me in Korea this turn was that my large stack has arrived in Rybilov and will be conducting a deliberate attack next turn supported by a huge amount of artillery. I have also assigned all of my bomber units to conduct ground strikes in the hex and I hope that the weather cooperates.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:34:11 PM

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Here is the weather for next turn. It seems to rain and snow more in this PBEM than it does in Seattle.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:39:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: stuman

So far so good ! Although I wish you would go ahead and just finish off those pesky Soviets

I would love to do just that. With all of those uber biplanes I feel like King Kong.

The weather is tough in these cold zones. At least half of the missions don't fly each turn due to weather and my ships take quite a bit of damage from being at sea. It is interesting to note that I am flying several missions out of Japan proper as the weather is better there since it is not in the cold zone.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:41:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: loricas

against the AI i've a similar situation, with 1 CA and 1 DD hit: I load as japan to see and it was real results

This was the first time that I have ever noticed this happening. I also saw the same type of dropped report during the surface battle near Rabaul this turn where I sunk CA Australia and the action text did not mention it even though it was listed as sunk on the combat report. I am not sure if this is WAD or unplanned. It certainly makes the war much foggier!

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 1:57:15 PM

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Very nice AAR thus far, you're doing a good job of convincing me to purchase the AE.

The naval battle on turn 35 had some interesting results. I didn't expect the ABDA fleet, especially the Dutch ships, to get away without significant damage not to mention deal a decent amount of damage, and I really didn't expect the Japanese to take so many hits, but of course the sheer amount of Allied cruisers involved meant that the volume of fire they would be directing your way was going to hit something. Any idea what the stats on the Dutch ships are like in the AE?

It also seems you're not very lucky with the air war over Russian territory, as many of your aircraft don't actually seem to join the fight even if they take off and the biplanes are butchering some of your modern aircraft at an almost ludicrous rate in some of those fights.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 2:58:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Very nice AAR thus far, you're doing a good job of convincing me to purchase the AE.

The naval battle on turn 35 had some interesting results. I didn't expect the ABDA fleet, especially the Dutch ships, to get away without significant damage not to mention deal a decent amount of damage, and I really didn't expect the Japanese to take so many hits, but of course the sheer amount of Allied cruisers involved meant that the volume of fire they would be directing your way was going to hit something. Any idea what the stats on the Dutch ships are like in the AE?

It also seems you're not very lucky with the air war over Russian territory, as many of your aircraft don't actually seem to join the fight even if they take off and the biplanes are butchering some of your modern aircraft at an almost ludicrous rate in some of those fights.

I'm not sure what the stats are on the Dutch ships as I primarily play Japan. I know that they are good enough to score hits in combat. Perhaps someone will post a screenshot or two showing their stats for you.

The air war over Russian territory is not going as well as planned by a longshot. Much of this seems to have to do with the weather, which has been terrible just about every turn. The weather prevents a high percentage of missions from being flown and also serves to protect the enemy biplanes when I try to sweep them. Zero fighters do well during sweeps but seem to be sitting ducks when escorting bombers. I feel like I should be mowing these biplanes down with even Nates, but in reality they are much harder to fight than even the AVG P-40s. I don't know why.

I would advise purchasing AE. It is a very good game and much improved over the original witp.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/26/2009 5:44:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: seydlitz

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I would advise purchasing AE. It is a very good game and much improved over the original witp.

I concur with Seydlitz. Very much improved and worth the cost. The challenge level even against the AI is much greater. I am looking forward to starting a PBEM in a few months when I have more time.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/27/2009 10:40:09 AM

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Turn 37 12 Jan 1942

The turn started off with a night attack by I-169 on a large transport. Sad to say she missed with 4 torpedoes, but it was nice to get off a shot just the same. It shows that I am able to guess where he is routing ships which must be disconcerting to my opponent.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 12, 42
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Submarine attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-169

Allied Ships
xAP President Coolidge

xAP President Coolidge is sighted by SS I-169...
SS I-169 launches 4 torpedoes at xAP President Coolidge...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/27/2009 10:42:42 AM

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Later in the same night phase, I-169 got another shot at an AK and this time she didn't miss. The AK went down later in the turn.

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Sub attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-169

Allied Ships
xAK Walter Luckenbach, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

SS I-169 attacking xAK Walter Luckenbach on the surface...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/27/2009 10:53:28 AM

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Amazing that he was moving a convoy with no escorts. I will need to sink more ships to force him to stop doing that.

Also, even though I haven't seen any enemy sub attacks in the past few turns, that doesn't mean that they are not around. It seems that my aerial ASW is spotting a fair bit of activity. To see this (and to plot where the sightings are, I recommed that you check your combat events file (not the combat report) and operational events file each turn.
Here are the parats that show sub sightings during the turn.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Jan 12, 42

SS RO-61 reports having been sighted by the enemy at 136 , 98
SS I-174 reports having been sighted by the enemy at 183 , 102
SS I-158 lays minefield at Tambelan Islands - 54 , 92 and sets course for Saigon
E13A1 Jake reports possible submarine at 122, 59 near Hakodate
E7K2 Alf reports shadow in water at 101, 55 near Masan
G4M1 Betty reports periscope at 106, 50 near Genzan
B5M1 Mabel reports submarine at 116, 52 near Hirosaki/Aomori
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 2 Allied ships at 125,49 near Bihoro, speed 17, Moving East
H6K4 Mavis reports conning tower at 121, 46 near Wakkanai
E8N2 Dave sighting report: 8 Allied ships at 117,55 near Akita, speed 16, Moving Northwest
E7K2 Alf reports periscope at 132, 115 near Kwajalein Island
Ki-36 Ida reports periscope at 81, 72 near Laoag
H6K4 Mavis reports conning tower at 123, 54 near Kushiro
H6K4 Mavis reports turbulence in water at 121, 46 near Wakkanai
H6K4 Mavis reports shadow in water at 121, 46 near Wakkanai
H6K4 Mavis reports periscope at 121, 46 near Wakkanai
G4M1 Betty reports radio transmissions at 111, 51 near Nakhodka
E8N2 Dave reports periscope at 116, 55 near Akita
F1M2 Pete sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 106,66 near Kanoya, speed 10, Moving Southeast
E14Y1 Glen reports conning tower at 164, 65 near Ulak Island
SC Ch 27 arrives at Tokyo
xAK Walter Luckenbach is reported to have been sunk near Christmas Island on Jan 12, 1942
xAK Fatshan is reported to have been sunk near Culion on Dec 17, 1941
SC Ch 33 arrives at Tokyo

COMBAT EVENTS FOR 01/12/42
E13A1 Jake reports possible submarine at 122, 59 near Hakodate
E7K2 Alf reports shadow in water at 101, 55 near Masan
G4M1 Betty reports periscope at 106, 50 near Genzan
B5M1 Mabel reports submarine at 116, 52 near Hirosaki/Aomori
E13A1 Jake sighting report: 2 Allied ships at 125,49 near Bihoro, speed 17, Moving East
Ki-36 Ida sighting report: Allied SS at 81,72 near Laoag , Speed unknown
TF 86 sighted by Allied Float Plane at 110,46 near Rashin
TF 5 observes Allied Aircraft at 71,90 near Tawi Tawi
H6K4 Mavis reports conning tower at 123, 54 near Kushiro
G4M1 Betty reports radio transmissions at 111, 51 near Nakhodka
E8N2 Dave reports periscope at 116, 55 near Akita
F1M2 Pete sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 106,66 near Kanoya, speed 10, Moving Southeast
E13A1 Jake sighting report: Allied CM at 64,97 near Balikpapan , Speed unknown
E14Y1 Glen reports conning tower at 164, 65 near Ulak Island
TF 11 sights Allied Float Plane at 68,80 near Balabac
SS I-158 lays minefield at Tambelan Islands - 54 , 92 and sets course for Saigon

Another thing that a smart Japanese player will do is to train up your bomber crews on ASW early. In general, my rule is that any bomber unit that is not doing anything needs to be training on 70% ASW. This especially includes Idas, Marys, Sallies, Anns, and Lilies. That way, you will develop the airborne ASW force that you need by the summer of 42. Often the squadrons already know how to search, bomb, or torpedo if applicable but in pretty much all cases their ASW skill will be very low. Furthermore, you can't just put them on ASW patrol and hope to gain the experience because they only get a point when they sight something. That is a very infrequent occurrence when the crew's skill levels are in the teens.

Here is the ships sunk summary confirming the killing of the AK:

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/27/2009 10:57:04 AM

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During the turn I also had a successful night time port strike at Manila.
I havent figured out yet why he is holding some ships in port at Cavite, especially transports. Maybe he thinks that he will be able to evacuate some units or possibly he has ben unable to move them since I have sunk everything that he sent south.

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 12
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
PG Tulsa, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
PG Isabel, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Neptuna, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/27/2009 11:00:55 AM

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On the air front, Most of my bombers flew and pounded away at his troops in Rybilov in support of my ground units prior to the air combat phase. I also flew sweeps into the hex to thin out his fighters.

For his part, he also did some close air support into the hex, but not as much as mine and his did not effect the outcome.

The picture shows one of my many raids going in during the turn.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/27/2009 11:02:57 AM

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Here is what the air losses looked like at the end of the turn. Much better than last turn in my opinion.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/27/2009 11:03:58 AM

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Is a landing on the base 3 East of vladivostok viable ?

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/27/2009 11:18:03 AM

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While we are on the topic I might as well show you my current replacement aircraft pools. Everyone talks about how few aircraft the allies have in their pools. Well, Japan isn't exactly flush with aircraft at start either. Despite the fact that I have tooled up production, you can not keep up with the losses in combat and it takes a while to get enough planes to convert other groups flying older planes such as Nates or Claudes. In a few months I hope to be over this hump after all the factories come on line and I get a break on combat, but it won't be long after that before I have to start worrying about losing more airframes as the pilot quality drops off.

Speaking of pilot quality, the initial numbers make it look like you have plenty. You have about 1600 in training with about 300 added each month. However, I have lost over 450 pilots KIA, 100+ WIA, and about another 200 MIA. This is without flying an extreme number of missions and in an environment where my forces usually come out at least equal in losses. More importantly, the allies will be receiving plenty of fresh pilots while mine have to fly until they die. So, to sum it up, my loss rate on pilots is over double the current replacement rates. If that continues, by the end of March I will be snatching pilots straight out of advanced training.

Note that these are not gripes or complaints by me. They are just observations...important ones for other players. For Japanese players it is a warning that you need to think carefully about your tempo of operations. You do not have as many pilots as you think and before you realize it you will have burned through your pool. (I have been cautious about doing pilot replacements in many groups just to conserve pilots.) For the allied player, you can take heart that even what seems to you to be a low attrition level of your enemy will still be very effective as time goes on so you should always keep the pressure up and fight with every resource.

At any rate, here is my fighter replacement pool:

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