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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 2:18:17 PM

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Turn 52 27 Jan 1942

Thanks to terrible weather, there was almost no air combat at all. Total losses for each side from all causes was less than 10 aircraft.

Noteworthy events: I captured Cagayan on Mindanao.
He captured Kotou on the Russian front. Of course, he has the hex but the border fort unit still lives and he can not advance until he totally eliminates the unit which will take him at least another week. Then he gets to move to the next hex, which also contains a border fort unit. These fort units are the toughest units in the game to kill.

Next turn my forces should arrive in the target hex at Voroshilov, where he has 51 units waiting. This should make for a huge combat.

The only snaps worth showing this turn are of the Russian front sitrep:

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 2:19:53 PM

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Up north in Manchukuo we will be fighting in two places as I continue to put pressure on his northern rail link.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 2:21:16 PM

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Finally, a snap for you planetop watchers. No aircraft died during the filming of this combat.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 3:42:31 PM

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Exept fun I think idea to attack USSR is absolutly senseless. What will you get if win ? 800 oil and 10000-15000 resourcesper day ?� And this for hundreds planes, pilots and soldiers.

Hm... I am maybe wrong. If Soviet Union is totally defeated you have a�right to send all this troops to China, and after you will smash China (it will take 3-4 months) you can send all this armada to India !

So I wish you good luck and hope to see this divisions on Deli in�yearly 1943 year :)

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 5:00:35 PM

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Those borders forts are like a Maginot Line. Best to go around and choke them. The terrain around them does not look too good for flanking maneuvers though.I have not looked, are they static units?

This remains a fascinating game to watch.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 7:12:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Swenslim

Exept fun I think idea to attack USSR is absolutly senseless. What will you get if win ? 800 oil and 10000-15000 resourcesper day ?� And this for hundreds planes, pilots and soldiers.

Hm... I am maybe wrong. If Soviet Union is totally defeated you have a�right to send all this troops to China, and after you will smash China (it will take 3-4 months) you can send all this armada to India !

So I wish you good luck and hope to see this divisions on Deli in�yearly 1943 year :)

I chose option B....with the Soviets defeated I have the right to send my troops wherever I want.

Granted it is a tough fight, but it is close to the home islands and some of the equipment is on a level that the Japanese army and air force can fight with on an equal footing at game start.

Also, politically, this is a conflict that very nearly happened in real life.
The 8000 point garrison requirement does nothing to convey the tension and possibility of conflict that existed in the area in real life.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 7:16:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: offenseman

Those borders forts are like a Maginot Line.� Best to go around and choke them. The terrain around them does not look too good for flanking maneuvers though.I have not looked, are they static units?�

This remains a fascinating game to watch.

They are indeed static and that is part of the problem. You can crush them with overwhelming force but even if you have the hex they are still there until you totally destroy every last man, gun, and pillbox. This is new for witp and I think that it is very appropriate by the path the developers took.

With the fort set up, there is no way to quickly blitzkreig through the lines in the most desirable areas. On the rest of the map the terrain is enough to channel movement to the forts.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 7:37:40 PM

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PBEM games are alternative history "books" so to me it is the fun part that alone should be enough to assault the Russians.

Not to mention you do not have to worry about in later years IF this campaign succeeds and by the looks of it it has a good chance doing so.

Looking forward for the battle of Voroshilov!

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/24/2009 11:14:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aztez

PBEM games are alternative history "books" so to me it is the fun part that alone should be enough to assault the Russians.

Good point! I concur

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/25/2009 9:27:17 AM

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also dont forget that you get quite a few VP�s that are hard to conquer back for the allies
with only a fraction of the fuel spent compared to other theatres...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/25/2009 9:36:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: seydlitz
I chose option B....with the Soviets defeated I have the right to send my troops wherever I want.
<SNIP>

Seylitz, how (in game terms) are the soviets defeated? Do you have to occupy certain VP locations and you will get a peace message? Or do you have to take every single hex to stop russian reinforcements going east for the entire timespan?

Curious to know.

Apart from that: great AAR! Keep it up!

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/25/2009 9:54:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: d0mbo

quote:

ORIGINAL: seydlitz
I chose option B....with the Soviets defeated I have the right to send my troops wherever I want.
<SNIP>

Seylitz, how (in game terms) are the soviets defeated? Do you have to occupy certain VP locations and you will get a peace message? Or do you have to take every single hex to stop russian reinforcements going east for the entire timespan?

Curious to know.

Apart from that: great AAR! Keep it up!

You can't actually defeat the Soviets, best case scenario is you push them back into the off-map base 'Soviet Union'. Because of this, it's very important you cut off the large forces the Soviets have around Vladivostok, if they can retreat, you'll have to keep large garrisons up north for the rest of the war.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/25/2009 1:46:43 PM

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Smeulders is correct. My plan is to drive the sourthern Russian forces around Vladivostok into the sea. Elsewhere I will cut Soviet supply and set troops in bases near the entry hexes. Without supplies, the isolated units in the cetral area will be incapable of offense and can be mopped up later. My committment of forces will boil down to enough to contain arriving units near their entry point. This will be much less than the 11-12000 AV that Japan starts the game with in this area.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/25/2009 6:48:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: seydlitz

Up north in Manchukuo we will be fighting in two places as I continue to put pressure on his northern rail link.

What happened at Ulan Bator? If I remember correctly you were waiting for reinforcements there. But according to the pic above you are retreating? Or did I miss a post about this?

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/25/2009 9:52:36 PM

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Oh, the anxiety of wanting to know how this turns out. I find myself returning to this thread several times a day to see if additional results have been posted. I'm really interested in seeing how this gambit resolves.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/25/2009 10:01:05 PM

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I am hoping this works out well.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/26/2009 12:21:22 AM

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Glued to it here too

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/26/2009 12:52:57 AM

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Ulan Bator happened a few turns ago. He rushed enough units in that I was at 1 to 2 odds. Therefore my units have pulled back to regroup and await reinforcements.

I am still holding north of the river near Shilka while I remove severe disruption. I have some good units here that should be able to win, but not until I get the disruption down which is currently in the 40-60 range on some units.

I did fight east of Borzya this turn. It should have been a cake walk but was not. With the enemy's woods bonus I went to 1 to 2 odds and couldn't clear him out. I am going to have to scrape some more units up from somewhere and send up there.

Here is a summary of my units near shilka that are shedding disruption and in the meantime doing bombardments.
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Ground combat at 109,25

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2208 troops, 126 guns, 63 vehicles, Assault Value = 1294

Defending force 12245 troops, 153 guns, 123 vehicles, Assault Value = 436

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:...
78th Infantry Regiment...
26th Recon Regiment...
36th Infantry Regiment...
19th Division...
29th Division...
1st Recon Regiment...
30th Infantry Regiment...
6th Manchukuo Cav Brigade...
8th Mountain Gun Regiment...
1st Ind. Field Artillery Regiment...
3rd RF Gun Battalion...
6th Army...
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
7th RF Gun Battalion...
...
Defending units:...
209th Rifle Division...
188th NKVD Regiment...
33rd Tank Battalion...
35th Tank Battalion...

And here is the combat near Borzya...

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Ground combat at 108,27

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31535 troops, 228 guns, 111 vehicles, Assault Value = 943

Defending force 19548 troops, 174 guns, 1289 vehicles, Assault Value = 698

Japanese adjusted assault: 573

Allied adjusted defense: 1615

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1164 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 84 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Assaulting units:...
14th Division...
23rd Division...
...
Defending units:...
61st Tank Division...
111th Tank Division...

Next turn I will make my first attack on Voroshilov as my units have arrived.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/26/2009 1:18:49 AM

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At Changsha, I launched a deliberate attack but again failed to dislodge the Chinese. I will rest a few turns to remove disruption and try again. I am on the edge of getting the upper hand here.

Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 97827 troops, 907 guns, 170 vehicles, Assault Value = 2657

Defending force 82606 troops, 452 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1702

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1087

Allied adjusted defense: 1133

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1894 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 82 disabled
Non Combat: 44 destroyed, 135 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Vehicles lost 39 (36 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
5234 casualties reported
Squads: 166 destroyed, 189 disabled
Non Combat: 112 destroyed, 188 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 7 (0 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Assaulting units:...
13th Tank Regiment...
13th Division...
3rd Division...
34th Division...
40th Division...
6th Division...
116th Division...
39th Division...
58th Infantry Regiment...
8th Ind. Engineer Regiment...
1st Mortar Battalion...
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
11th Army...
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion...
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment...
2nd Ind. Engineer Regiment...
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion...
...
Defending units:...
72nd Chinese Corps...
73rd Chinese Corps...
53rd Chinese Corps...
58th Chinese Corps...
37th Chinese Corps...
87th Chinese Corps...
99th Chinese Corps...
26th Chinese Corps...
74th Chinese Corps...
20th Chinese Corps...
10th Chinese Corps...
5th Construction Regiment...
27th Group Army...
19th Group Army...
9th War Area ...
29th Group Army...

Next turn I will attack at Loyang. I have been bombarding there for a few turns and reaping a harvest of Chinese casualties.

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Ground combat at Loyang (87,43)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 55131 troops, 416 guns, 116 vehicles, Assault Value = 3313

Defending force 51769 troops, 317 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 872

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
682 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:...
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade...
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade...
110th Division...
35th Division...
16th Ind.Mixed Brigade...
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade...
27th Division...
22nd Division...
15th Division...
17th Division...
32nd Division...
1st Army...
12th Army...
...
Defending units:...
9th Chinese Corps...
15th Chinese Corps...
27th Chinese Corps...
80th Chinese Corps...
93rd Chinese Corps...
34th Chinese Corps...
40th Chinese Corps...
33rd Chinese Corps...
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps...
98th Chinese Corps...
5th New Chinese Corps...
4th Chinese Base Force...
15th Group Army...
39th Group Army...
10th Chinese Base Force...
14th Group Army...
Jingcha War Area ...
1st War Area ...
24th Group Army...
7th Group Army...
36th Group Army...
3rd Construction Regiment...
7th Construction Regiment...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/26/2009 1:25:16 AM

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The biggest news of the turn was that my assault on Bataan was successful and I captured Bataan and Corregidor.
Now the only resistance left on Luzon is two American units at Iba. I will send one division to help my other forces already on sight, and the rest of my troops will move to Manila for pick up.

I have minesweepers enroute from Hong Kong to sweep the mines and literally over a hundred transports coming to pick the troops up. Despite the tempation to use the troops against Russia, I need to stay on my timetable in the SRA. These units will go to help finish up the slog in Malaya, then Palembang, Balikpapan, and finally Java.

In case you were wondering, the air war was a non-event again as the blizzard conditions kept most planes grounded.

Ground combat at Bataan (78,77)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 82783 troops, 671 guns, 422 vehicles, Assault Value = 2385

Defending force 19632 troops, 383 guns, 215 vehicles, Assault Value = 382

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1152

Allied adjusted defense: 259

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bataan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1563 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 73 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 120 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 25 (1 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
38430 casualties reported
Squads: 472 destroyed, 243 disabled
Non Combat: 901 destroyed, 226 disabled
Engineers: 198 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 440 (378 destroyed, 62 disabled)
Vehicles lost 408 (393 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Units destroyed 25

Assaulting units:...
Kure 1st SNLF ...
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment...
20th Infantry Regiment...
4th Division...
66th Infantry Group ...
9th Infantry Regiment...
21st Division...
16th Engineer Regiment...
4th Tank Regiment...
2nd Tank Regiment...
Kimura Det ...
3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment...
48th Engineer Regiment...
Tanaka Detachment...
48th Recon Regiment...
21st Ind. Engineer Regiment...
7th Tank Regiment...
47th Infantry Regiment...
Sasebo 1st SNLF ...
65th Brigade...
Yokosuka 4th SNLF...
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
48th Field Artillery Regiment...
14th Army...
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion...
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion...
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion...
...
Defending units:...
21st PA Infantry Division...
3rd/45th PS Inf Battalion...
11th PA Infantry Division...
192nd Tank Battalion...
4th PA Constabulary Regiment...
2nd/45th PS Inf Battalion...
1st PA Constabulary Regiment...
26th PS Cavalry Regiment...
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team...
14th PS Engineer Regiment...
Manila Bay Defenses ...
194th Tank Battalion...
1st/45th PS Inf Battalion...
2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment...
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment...
Far East USAAF ...
201st PA Construction Battalion...
Asiatic Fleet ...
Clark Field USAAF Base Force...
1st USMC AA Battalion...
803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion...
301st Construction Battalion...
Bataan USN Base Force...
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment...
202nd PA Construction Battalion...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/26/2009 10:44:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: seydlitz

Ulan Bator happened a few turns ago. He rushed enough units in that I was at 1 to 2 odds. Therefore my units have pulled back to regroup and await reinforcements.

Ah, missed this. Thanks for the explanation!

quote:

ORIGINAL: seydlitz

And here is the combat near Borzya...

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Ground combat at 108,27

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31535 troops, 228 guns, 111 vehicles, Assault Value = 943

Defending force 19548 troops, 174 guns, 1289 vehicles, Assault Value = 698

Japanese adjusted assault: 573

Allied adjusted defense: 1615

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1164 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 84 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Assaulting units:...
14th Division...
23rd Division...
...
Defending units:...
61st Tank Division...
111th Tank Division...

The Soviet tank divisions were in movement mode, not in combat mode.

It seems that your oppponent has some problems with handling the new (AE) features of the ground combat/movement model. And it seems (my impression from reading this AAR) that he had similar problems at Rybolov.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 5:24:56 AM

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Turn 54 29 January 1942

The big battle at Voroshilov finally happened. There were more units on each side than would fit in the combat display. 38 Japanese and 51 Soviet.

I pummeled him all turn with ground attacks by my tactical air and even all of my Nates. Air losses were somewhat heavy because he had a lot of flak in the hex. Air opposition was light and was brushed aside by sweeping zeroes.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 5:26:11 AM

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As mentioned, the flak casualties were heavy, but at this point I must keep up the tempo.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 5:37:22 AM

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The artillery duel was massive with so many heavy artillery units on both sides. Here is the combat report from my attack and from his bombardment attack.

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 102316 troops, 1100 guns, 1034 vehicles, Assault Value = 2725

Defending force 104544 troops, 1948 guns, 1608 vehicles, Assault Value = 2828

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 609

Allied adjusted defense: 3485

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
7296 casualties reported
Squads: 48 destroyed, 517 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 423 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Guns lost 13 (2 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 107 (8 destroyed, 99 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6395 casualties reported
Squads: 149 destroyed, 172 disabled
Non Combat: 242 destroyed, 651 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 228 (74 destroyed, 154 disabled)
Vehicles lost 648 (263 destroyed, 385 disabled)

He lost a lot of guns and vehicles destroyed for one turn of combat.

Assaulting units:...
74th Infantry Regiment...
12th Division...
10th Tank Regiment...
9th Division...
25th Division...
5th Infantry Regiment...
9th Garrison Unit ...
2nd Manchukuo Distr Division...
11th Division...
11th Tank Regiment...
27th Electric Engineer Regiment...
8th Recon Regiment...
1st Manchukuo Division...
Kwantung Army...
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion...
9th Ind. Engineer Regiment...
3rd Army...
20th Fld AA Machinecannon Company...
54th Field AA Battalion...
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion...
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion...
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment...
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion...
28th Field AA Machinecannon Company...
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
45th Ind.AA Gun Co ...
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion...
24th Fld AA Machinecannon Company...
4th RF Gun Battalion...
53rd Field AA Battalion...
22nd Field AA Machinecannon Company...
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment...
45th Road Const Co ...
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment...
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
27th Fld AA Machinecannon Company...
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion...
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment...
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment...
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment...
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion...
7th Ind. Engineer Regiment...
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion...
23rd Field AA Machinecannon Company...
5th Army...
6th RF Gun Battalion...
...
Defending units:...
26th NKVD Regiment...
105th Rifle Division...
98th Rifle Division...
76th Tank Brigade...
8th Cavalry Division...
6th Ussurii Tank Brigade...
72nd Tank Brigade...
4th Ussurii Tank Brigade...
126th Rifle Division...
22nd Rifle Division...
190th Rifle Division...
59th Rifle Division...
40th Rifle Division...
39th Rifle Division...
77th Tank Brigade...
46th Engr-Sapper Brigade...
1125th Cannon Regiment...
25th Army...
78th/186th PVO AA Battalion...
50th Cannon Regiment...
1127th Cannon Regiment...
548th Cannon Regiment...
22nd/24th AA Battalion...
282nd Cannon Regiment...
1192nd BM Howitzer Regiment...
1132nd Howitzer Regiment...
182nd Howitzer Regiment...
1122nd Cannon Regiment...
115th/129th AA Battalion...
33rd VVS Base Force...
386th Howitzer Regiment...
45th Howitzer Regiment...
372nd Hvy Howitzer Regiment...
9th Air Army...
59th/721st AA Battalion...
1133rd Howitzer Regiment...
45th/103rd AA Battalion...
1138th Cannon Regiment...
273rd Cannon Regiment...
1124th Cannon Regiment...
43rd/44th AA Battalion...
1134th Howitzer Regiment...
1132rd Howitzer Regiment...
83rd VVS Base Force...
1139th Cannon Regiment...
87th Howitzer Regiment...
199th BM Howitzer Regiment...
165th Hvy Howitzer Regiment...
215th Howitzer Regiment...
28th/70th AA Battalion...
93rd VVS Base Force...

Here was the casualty summary from his bombardment attack later in the turn:

Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 80933 troops, 1671 guns, 1263 vehicles, Assault Value = 2508

Defending force 112985 troops, 1221 guns, 1328 vehicles, Assault Value = 2296

Japanese ground losses:
1367 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 44 destroyed, 124 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 27 (4 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Vehicles lost 124 (27 destroyed, 97 disabled)

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 5:49:18 AM

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I have 7 significant infantry units that now have disruption levels between 87 and 93. It will take a while for them to recover from this. The sheer amount of artillery on the battlefield is going to turn this hex into the equivalent of Ypres (a WWI battle for those who don't know) and the casualties will be just as horrendous.

I have no choice but to continue pounding him with my tactical air. I can't be sure, but I believe that the disablements and disruptions caused by my air strikes may have led to his increased losses in terms of destroyed vs. disabled when it came to the combat portion of the turn. I am well supplied so my artillery can keep on pounding away while the infantry recovers.

Meanwhile, the stack of units that I had siphoned off to hit his airbase at Spasny to the NE of Voroshilov should move into that hex to attack in about 3 turns. It has occurred to me that I might want to use that as a hooking force. Driving the enemy south and east and then following up so that his large force is cut off from supply other than from Vladivostok. That would help limit his supply and also guide him into a dead end if I should push him out of the hex.

--if--- being the operative word here.

Other points of note, he is still hung up trying to kill the border fort at Kotou and it is showing no signs of going down easily. If he does manage to finish it, he gets to start all over again on the next fort in the next hex west.

I am about to land on the east coast with forces that had been tied up at Okha. If I win here, I will use the navigable river to move up and start spreading the front.

Here is the map.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 5:55:55 AM

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Up north, it is mostly a trade off of bombardment attacks for the time being. My northernmost stack has enough force to win the combat, but I am still recovering from the disruption of the water crossing. The stack to the east of Borzya should have had enough AV to get the job done, but the rough+woods have made his defence very tough here. And did I mention that he has about 1300 tanks here for some reason? The Germans should be having an easy go of things come spring. Perhaps Von Paulus won't have to surrender at Stalingrad.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 5:57:38 AM

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Here is the map for north China.

I attacked at Loyang this turn.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 6:00:39 AM

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Here is what the Loyang battle looked like. I am hurting but I will keep pressing. I do not think that he can hold out much longer here.

Ground combat at Loyang (87,43)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 117871 troops, 872 guns, 269 vehicles, Assault Value = 3322

Defending force 51549 troops, 317 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 869

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1512

Allied adjusted defense: 533

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2871 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 241 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 148 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (0 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
8214 casualties reported
Squads: 228 destroyed, 177 disabled
Non Combat: 195 destroyed, 333 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 13 (0 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Assaulting units:...
15th Division...
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade...
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade...
17th Division...
110th Division...
27th Division...
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade...
35th Division...
16th Ind.Mixed Brigade...
22nd Division...
32nd Division...
1st Army...
12th Army...
...
Defending units:...
34th Chinese Corps...
27th Chinese Corps...
98th Chinese Corps...
80th Chinese Corps...
40th Chinese Corps...
33rd Chinese Corps...
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps...
9th Chinese Corps...
93rd Chinese Corps...
15th Chinese Corps...
5th New Chinese Corps...
Jingcha War Area ...
24th Group Army...
10th Chinese Base Force...
15th Group Army...
3rd Construction Regiment...
1st War Area ...
36th Group Army...
14th Group Army...
7th Group Army...
39th Group Army...
4th Chinese Base Force...
7th Construction Regiment...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 6:02:54 AM

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Here is the other battle noted on the map for North China. As you can see I have enough force but the rough terrain is helping the Chinese unit.

Ground combat at 92,33

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11044 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 338

Defending force 3813 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 84

Japanese adjusted assault: 246

Allied adjusted defense: 37

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
399 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:...
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade...
17th Infantry Regiment...
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Defending units:...
11th Chinese Corps...
17th Group Army...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 10/28/2009 6:06:55 AM

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In Malaya I will be engaging his 6 units that I had previously kicked out of G'town earlier. I am slowly pushing him south with the terrain being more of an obstacle than the enemy soldiers. I am irritated that there seems to be one unit that has moved behind my lines somehow.

Singapore shows as having 23 units in it. I am so tempted to send my units on Luzon to help in Russia but I really need them to keep moving in the SRA....

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