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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:02:22 PM   
seydlitz_slith


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Status: offline 		ComradeP No problem with the hijack. I am kind of interested in this also. This reserve order is new in AE so we can't say for sure how it works relative to stock. This turn my units had recovered enough disruption that I was able to put them back on the line in bombard mode. Most of the arty is at about 20-25 disruption and 40-65 fatigue. The fatigue does not seem to recover that much. I guess it is the incessant pounding of the guns nearby.

We will see later today how the recovered arty does in battle. On the results from this time damage was pretty low on both sides but I noticed that the AA units were smacked pretty hard by arty. Hard enough that they are going into reserve.

Regarding the supply issue, supplies are fine in the Vladivostok area as I had plenty to start with. However, if he manages to break through the next border fort west of Kotou and into my airfield at Mashin I will not be able to trace supply through it and I will be in trouble. I need to either land at one of the ports near Vladivostok or punch a hole through his western border forts to ensure supply if that happens.

Up north, I am supplied but I am slightly under supported. I can't move my force that is stalemated east of Borzya because if I do he will cut off the supply line to the force east of Shilka. Right now I have no other reserves to throw up there. As it is I am taking partisan damage at Harbin from under garrisoning although I have a small unit enroute to seal that up.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:07:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		At the risk of continuing a hijack- sorry Seydlitz! However... I think we are all trying to help rather than hijack. :)  Soviet communications between units that were outside of shouting range was atrocious (lack of radios, poor radios, bad training, leadership purges) at this point of the war.  Because of that Soviet arty was firing blind much of the time which is akin to firing randomly into a given map grid. 

All this aside, it looks like your (Seydlitz) technique is a proper one to use and if the Allied Command does not start to do the same thing, I suspect their bombardment attacks will become increasingly ineffective.


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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:09:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 58 2 Feb 1942

The turn started with definitive proof as to why I am having to escort everything with cruisers or capital ships in the Russian theater. Near Okha, a Soviet surface combat TF lead by Stalin tried to intercept one of my transport TFs heading towards Okha.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Okha at 128,36, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 7
CL Katori, Shell hits 1
xAK Sinko Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Nitti Maru
xAK Toko Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Delagoa Maru, Shell hits 1
PB Taian Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
PB Tokati Maru
xAK Hokusin Maru, Shell hits 3
PB Choko Maru #5, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
PB Okiyu Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Tblisi, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Rastoropnyi
DD Rezhtelnyi
DD Buistro
DD Stalin, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Revanch

Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight...
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 96% moonlight: 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards......
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 10,000 yards...
Domostoy H. crosses the 'T'...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Revanch at 10,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Stalin at 10,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages PB Choko Maru #5 at 10,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Rastoropnyi at 10,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages PB Taian Maru at 10,000 yards...
DD Rastoropnyi engages xAK Hokusin Maru at 10,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Delagoa Maru at 10,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Sinko Maru at 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Revanch at 9,000 yards...
CL Katori engages DD Revanch at 9,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Buistro at 9,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages PB Choko Maru #5 at 9,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Rastoropnyi at 9,000 yards...
DD Buistro engages PB Taian Maru at 9,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Hokusin Maru at 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Revanch at 8,000 yards...
CL Katori engages DD Revanch at 8,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages PB Okiyu Maru at 8,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages PB Choko Maru #5 at 8,000 yards...
DD Rastoropnyi engages xAK Delagoa Maru at 8,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Tblisi at 8,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Hokusin Maru at 8,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Toko Maru at 8,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Sinko Maru at 8,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Revanch at 9,000 yards...
CL Katori engages DD Stalin at 9,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Rezhtelnyi at 9,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Hokusin Maru at 9,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Delagoa Maru at 9,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Toko Maru at 9,000 yards...
DD Stalin engages xAK Sinko Maru at 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Revanch at 12,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Stalin at 12,000 yards...
DD Buistro engages PB Okiyu Maru at 12,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Rezhtelnyi at 12,000 yards...
BB Yamashiro engages DD Rastoropnyi at 12,000 yards...
DD Tblisi sunk by BB Yamashiro at 12,000 yards...
DD Revanch engages xAK Hokusin Maru at 12,000 yards...
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape... Proof that this is the Allied Edition???
Task forces break off......

Someone needs to tell the captain of the Yamashiro that he was lucky to escape from the clutches of Stalin.

That Stalin, he's everywhere.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:11:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		This whole Soviet activation war remains and is becoming even more so interesting.  I think their is a lot for all of us to learn from this that will help a Japanese player be even more effective in a conventional conflict.  Thanks Seydlitz!   I enjoy playing the Japanese much more than the Allies because of the logistical issues but would really enjoy being the Allies in this game.  If your opponent drops out of the game, let me know.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:11:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a summary of the TF after the battle...






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:12:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yamashiro is fine although she is running low on ammo for her midships main guns.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:15:57 PM   
seydlitz_slith


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Status: offline 		Here is the Ise TF as they approach the southern end of the Sea of Japan. They made a two turn high speed run through enemy waters from Alexandrovsk. Nagato and Hyuga will be going into drydock on arrival at Kure.





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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:24:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		This turn, I had a unit of zeroes flying cap over Okha and LRCAP over Alexandrovsk. In addition, the base unit that I brought in to Okha had radar. He tried his standard wave of airstrikes at every task force around Sakhalin Island like he has been doing every turn. This time, however, zeroes and nates intercepted every one of his strikes. Out of 12+ strikes, bombers made it through to the ships only twice, and no ships were hit. We did notch up a few bomber and seaplane kills.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 5:31:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are the combat summaries for the bombardment exchanges at Voroshilov. Next turn my units will be back in the saddle and start bombarding him again.

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 16804 troops, 504 guns, 585 vehicles, Assault Value = 2301

Defending force 86896 troops, 1764 guns, 1171 vehicles, Assault Value = 2401

Japanese ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 77301 troops, 1615 guns, 1118 vehicles, Assault Value = 2398

Defending force 109621 troops, 1209 guns, 1293 vehicles, Assault Value = 2293

Japanese ground losses:
1673 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 74 destroyed, 56 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 23 disabled
Guns lost 71 (37 destroyed, 34 disabled)
Vehicles lost 38 (17 destroyed, 21 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/1/2009 6:15:43 PM   
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Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape... Proof that this is the Allied Edition???


Actually, it makes sense because even though you've got powerful surface forces they are in an amphib TF, which should indicate "protect the phibs above all else". If they went after the DDs and another Soviet TF came in when they were off station or out of ammo.... I would want my amphib TF ships to stay defensive.

I would assume if they were in an SCTF leading the phibs they might be more aggressive. Kind of the difference between a sweep and an escort.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 2:56:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 59 Feb 03, 1942

Pretty low key turn compared to many. Only interesting thing was that my artillery came back online at Voroshilov and began pounding back at the Soviets while my aircraft continued to hit both his ground units and the airbase in an attempt to reduce his supply stocks. I also continued to pound Vladivostok by day and night.

Here are the results of the bombardment attacks.

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44987 troops, 707 guns, 584 vehicles, Assault Value = 2333

Defending force 87366 troops, 1763 guns, 1176 vehicles, Assault Value = 2423

Japanese ground losses:
107 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
2672 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 211 destroyed, 106 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 124 (65 destroyed, 59 disabled)
Vehicles lost 217 (124 destroyed, 93 disabled)

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 73667 troops, 1554 guns, 1015 vehicles, Assault Value = 2274

Defending force 109023 troops, 1186 guns, 1282 vehicles, Assault Value = 2328

Japanese ground losses:
677 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 92 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 49 (25 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Vehicles lost 111 (48 destroyed, 63 disabled)



One second thought, one other thing did happen... a stack of chinese units kicked my single unit out of Ichang in China. No biggie, I'll take it back later.

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Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 50863 troops, 273 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1503

Defending force 2702 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Allied adjusted assault: 889

Japanese adjusted defense: 19

Allied assault odds: 46 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Ichang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), leaders(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1233 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 37 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Allied ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:...
67th Chinese Corps...
45th Chinese Corps...
32nd Chinese Corps...
2nd Chinese Corps...
68th Chinese Corps...
75th Chinese Corps...
26th Group Army...
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Defending units:...
13th RGC Temp. Division... (RGC stand for Royal Garbage Collection Division as all these units are crappy. At least they are better than the Tax Police Division)


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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 3:00:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 60 04 Feb 1942

This turn started out with a night sub attack as I-158 put two fish into a tanker off Makassar, sinking the ship. Proof that my subs are still out there lying in wait. His tanker wasn't even escorted.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 04, 42
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Sub attack near Madjene at 65,104

Japanese Ships
SS I-158

Allied Ships
TK Manatawny, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage



SS I-158 launches 8 torpedoes...






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 3:07:23 AM   
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13th RGC Temp. Division... (RGC stand for Royal Garbage Collection Division as all these units are crappy. At least they are better than the Tax Police Division)




The name Tax Police gives me the willies.


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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 3:09:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I continued to pound both Vladivostok and Voroshilov all turn. Either he is not flying anything at Vlad during the day or I have shut his runways down. I am putting bombers over the city in daylight after bombing it at night and I am not encountering fighter resistance. It just says "no flights" for the soviets. I am destroying aircraft on the ground in just about every strike. For next turn, I am shifting more bombers to daylight, but still leaving some at night. Hopefully I can quickly rack up the damage to the airfield. I have even shifted some of the Sallies from Voroshilov to Vlad to increase the airfield damage. I also am hitting his port and light industry. Other than killing his aircraft, I want to diminish his supplies as fast as possible in both hexes while still harrassing his troops. I think that this will be the best strategy to pursue given the huge numbers of troops in the Voroshilov hex. I will try to isolate this whole cluster by landing the Luzon forces at Olga in about 14 turns. The transports have already arrived in Manila and we are just waiting on the troops to march there from Bataan.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 3:13:35 AM   
seydlitz_slith


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Status: offline 		Here is this turns round of bombardment attacks at Voroshilov.
Note that our bombardment AV now seems about equal.

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44339 troops, 703 guns, 574 vehicles, Assault Value = 2345

Defending force 84490 troops, 1674 guns, 1101 vehicles, Assault Value = 2324

Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
2008 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 121 destroyed, 129 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 98 (56 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 174 (108 destroyed, 66 disabled)


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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 72303 troops, 1516 guns, 976 vehicles, Assault Value = 2214

Defending force 108484 troops, 1171 guns, 1266 vehicles, Assault Value = 2340

Japanese ground losses:
901 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 60 destroyed, 149 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 92 (63 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Vehicles lost 154 (37 destroyed, 117 disabled)


I lost a few guns this time, but it seems that I am making progress.


Also, during this turn I succeeded in capturing Kuching in Borneo.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 3:16:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Last thing for this turn is a view of Kure Harbor showing the ISE in the shipyard. This should help you understand how long it is taking to repair the damage. In this case it is about 40+ days to repair the damage to the hull. Right now, 3 battleships are in dock there recovering form battle damage.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 3:16:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why does this remind me so much of Leningrad...  If I were him, I'd be doing everything possible to keep Vladivostok fighting. I'd run subs in, whatever I had to do just to delay you. Time is your enemy here. I wonder if he has grounded his air force to avoid using supplies.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 3:33:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: offenseman

Why does this remind me so much of Leningrad...  If I were him, I'd be doing everything possible to keep Vladivostok fighting. I'd run subs in, whatever I had to do just to delay you. Time is your enemy here. I wonder if he has grounded his air force to avoid using supplies.


I am still encountering 15-20 fighters in the air over Vlad at night, but as you can imagine, single engine day fighters trying to make night intercepts without radar or radio direction tend to do little. My Nells seems to do as much damage to them as they do to us...which isn't much.

I know that he is keeping ships in port both in Vlad and at Singapore even though I bomb them nightly. This turn I will bomb Vlad port by day.

I think that his runway is down otherwise he would have flown all of his bombers out to other airfields. I would imagine that he would have used them against my forces at Okha or against the border fort west of Kotou. He is pounding me heavily in the far north east of Shilka where I have a stack of units out of range of protective aircover. I can see no reason why he hasn't flown more planes in to help up there other than his runway is closed at Vlad.

Of course, supply may be an issue for his whole southern front. I have had a Soviet infantry unit sitting in the siberian rail hex a few hexes north of Birbodazhan for about 20 turns now. This breaks his rail supply from the north and since the supply path must detour through at least 3 hexes of woods+rough, I am sure that little or no supply is getting through from that way. It may be that he burned his remaining excess supply there in airstrikes on Kotou. I don't know but I can hope.

My lead armor units also entered the Spasny airfield hex (two hexes NE of Voroshilov) this turn. This will stop him from tracing supply through that hex, further isolating his entire southern group. In about 4 turns the rest of my troops will arrive and I will take the hex from him (I hope).

Either way, I think that I am fighting more AV at Voroshilov than the entire Chinese Army. It will take a while to whittle them down, but if I can beat this pile then I should be able to make significant progress.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 5:55:42 AM   
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Either way, I think that I am fighting more AV at Voroshilov than the entire Chinese Army.


Um, not quite. Not even close. There's only about 2300AV at Voroshilov.


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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/3/2009 12:25:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: seydlitz
Either way, I think that I am fighting more AV at Voroshilov than the entire Chinese Army.


Um, not quite. Not even close. There's only about 2300AV at Voroshilov.




Yeah, but unlike the Chinese, these guys are trained, have good equipments, supplies, and know how to use them.
It certainly feels like a stronger force.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 2:45:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great post.

I'm interested in learning your plan in Java. How does your progress compare to other players who do not choose to activate the Russian?

How effective is your air cover over Java. Do you think allies can run transport, may be even reinforcement to Java?

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 3:54:27 AM   
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Great post.

I'm interested in learning your plan in Java. How does your progress compare to other players who do not choose to activate the Russian?

How effective is your air cover over Java. Do you think allies can run transport, may be even reinforcement to Java?


Welcome maybee!

Even if I was not fighting Russia, I think that you would find that I am a conservative player in many ways. This will of course put me behind many players who have conquered half the known world by the end of March. That is ok. In fact, I normally don't try to grab much more than Japan traditionally captured during the war.

I haven't given too much thought to Java yet except to keep subs near it to catch shipping transiting the area. But since you have asked, here are my early thoughts....

1. I may or may not have the Southern Army forces that were used to take Luzon. I am planning to send them up north to help seal off the Vladivostok area and get some movement on that front.

2. The main striking force will be the troops used in Malaya, although Singapore is not yet captured. I figure that I will be done in Malaya by early March.

3. I may well go after Java before finishing off Borneo. That would take my opponent off guard and would also mean that any forces that he has moved up to Balikpapan will be trapped there. Often they fight there then fall back to Java and fight again.

4. I may even forego Palembang until after I get Java. I still have almost a year's worth of crude oil, and again by mixing up the schedule a bit from the conventional plan I may catch some forces out of position and trapped.

4. I am also giving a little bit of consideration to a south coast landing on Java since the good north coast landing points are always defended and mined. I will make that decision closer in.

5. Right now I have no aircover or even reach to Java, so he can bring in what he wants with worries only about subs. That doesn't bother me right now. When I get ready to go, I will use the KB to provide the tactical air support that I need.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 3:58:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 61 5 Feb 1942

I started the turn off with a night surface attack by one of my subs. I doubt that I sank the target, but I definitely chewed it up quite a bit.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 05, 42
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Submarine attack near Serasan at 56,86

Japanese Ships
SS I-165

Allied Ships
xAKL Shinai, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage



xAKL Shinai is sighted by SS I-165...
SS I-165 attacking on the surface...
SS I-165 low on gun ammo, Shibata V. breaks off surface engagement and submerges...






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 4:05:23 AM   
seydlitz_slith


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Status: offline 		It is nearly over for him on Mindanao and Luzon. In both places his last unit is surrounded and being attacked. In a couple of turns both islands will be mine.

Most of the action was on the Russian front again. Aircraft losses were less than 20 for both sides. He had aircraft flying strikes in only two places....up north near Shilka and off Ominato at one of my returning convoys. It looks like I have maintained enough runway damage at Vladivostok to keep his planes grounded. In both Vlad and Voroshilov I have the airfield damage up around 50% and I am continuing to pound strikes home daily. Next turn the KB will join in on strikes in the region by hitting all of the other base hexes nearby.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 4:10:43 AM   
seydlitz_slith


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Status: offline 		I am continuing to show reports of my bombs killing soviet aircraft on the ground. In addition, my bombing of Vladivostok port resulted in my getting 5 hits on sub CH-108, sinking it.

Meanwhile, at Spassk-Dalniy, my three spearhead armor units arrived and made a shock attack to see what was there.
The results were much better than anticipated. I will be repeating next turn with the addition of KB airstrikes in the hopes that I can win here. This is a critical hex if I am to cut off his supply back to Birbodazhan.

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Ground combat at Spassk-Dalniy (114,44)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 3240 troops, 0 guns, 309 vehicles, Assault Value = 174

Defending force 8465 troops, 86 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 144

Japanese adjusted assault: 214

Allied adjusted defense: 55

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 61 (8 destroyed, 53 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1546 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 32 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 115 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Assaulting units:...
3rd Tank Regiment...
5th Tank Regiment...
9th Tank Regiment...
...
Defending units:...
202nd Airborne Brigade...
1st Red Banner Army...
4th/152nd PVO AA Battalion...
32nd VVS Base Force...





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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 4:13:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Up north, I have some interesting developments. I may have to pull back and defend if I can not immediately make headway. Reinforcements showing up is not what I wanted to see here.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 6:28:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		wow seydlitz! Good you are putting so much pressure on the Vladivostock front, it looks
like you desparately need to free up the forces to advance in the north again.
Is he still .on par in the Air or did you at least cut his numbers?

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 8:33:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seydlitz

Last thing for this turn is a view of Kure Harbor showing the ISE in the shipyard. This should help you understand how long it is taking to repair the damage. In this case it is about 40+ days to repair the damage to the hull. Right now, 3 battleships are in dock there recovering form battle damage.





Have you tried what the predicted time turns into when modifying the priority to "critical" ? I have a damaged BB at Pearl where the change from normal to high hardly affects the predicted result, but when I move on to critical the predicted period of time is reduced by about a factor of 3.

Hartwig

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 11:42:29 AM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		I've been following this AAR from afar, but I have some quick questions??

How have you allocated your limited number of Air HQs??

Have you considered moving troops from China to Russia?? I believe there are some units that are not assigned to the Chinese command. Do you have a HR that would prevent you from doing so?? Russia is more important than China right now.

What programs are you using to capture all those screenshots?? What program do you use to modify your screenshots??



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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/5/2009 12:22:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

wow seydlitz! Good you are putting so much pressure on the Vladivostock front, it looks
like you desparately need to free up the forces to advance in the north again.
Is he still .on par in the Air or did you at least cut his numbers?


He is no longer contesting my air missions. This could be a function of my bombing the runways, but he has defintely tried to move his air operations to places where I don't have fighters in the air. I know that he still has a lot of planes, it's just that he is not able to use them now. This could mean that he has exhausted his pools.

The north is dangerous. The thing that I have going for me is that there are a lot of hexes to cover to reach my cities. If I can hold the road I am secure as he won't be able to easily hold supply. Of course, he isplaying that same game with me right now.

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