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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/8/2009 12:49:40 AM   
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Finally, news from the south...Japanese forces captured Singkawang on the NW tip of Borneo.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/8/2009 5:34:32 PM   
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I can't remember if someone asked about the spares, but here is an example. They're good to differentiate nationalities and include matching map icons too.

OK - back to this fabulous AAR!!




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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/8/2009 7:06:20 PM   
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Looks like his supplies are running low in Voroshilov. Im basing this on the relative number of gun tubes and losses. Tubes are roughly similar in number and i would imagine in calible too (soviet arty is good). Losses however are 4-1 in your favour. This may of course be an artifact of you good choice to use rest mode and rotate units.

RE waiting until Vladivostok is under siege. I think your assuming he cant retreat from one contested hex into another as in old WitP. However he can in AE as its hexsides that now matter. So bearing that in mind, clobber Voroshilov when you think you can rather than waiting for the landing force. and more soviet troops eating up supply in vlad and being heavily disabled too boot won't improve his AV much while consuming limited supply.

His eastward drive from Bikin is as you have identified, a major worry. you really need to reduce the soviets in the south asap.

Facinating AAR .. thank you

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/8/2009 7:20:10 PM   
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However he can in AE as its hexsides that now matter.



After seeing what happened to the units in Manila, I'm not sure this aspect of the game is WAD. Otherwise the Manila units should have retreated to Clark, but they surrendered instead.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:34:23 AM   
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Turn 65 9 Feb 1942

First the bad news during the turn....
The soviets captured the swamp town of Fuchin on the eastern border. I knew it was coming, but I still didn't like it.

Now the good news....
I captured Suchin, taking yet another of his satellite airfields away from him around Vladivostok.

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Ground combat at Suchan (113,46)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 30241 troops, 275 guns, 66 vehicles, Assault Value = 832

Defending force 4487 troops, 50 guns, 236 vehicles, Assault Value = 134

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1084

Allied adjusted defense: 67

Japanese assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Suchan !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
838 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 124 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 35 (28 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 225 (195 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Assaulting units:...
57th Division...
24th Division...
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
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Defending units:...
1st Ussurii Tank Brigade...
34th VVS Base Force...






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:37:48 AM   
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The weather was bad again and none of the strikes against Voroshilov flew. However, the KB strikes on Vladivostok, Nakhoda, and Suchan all flew and we again reaped a harvest of submarines in port.

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Morning Air attack on Nakhodka , at 112,47

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
B5N2 Kate x 43
D3A1 Val x 23



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged
D3A1 Val: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
SS ShCh-115, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS L-9, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS ShCh-123, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS ShCh-116, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk



Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
13 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Suchan , at 113,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
B5N2 Kate x 27
D3A1 Val x 18



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SB-2: 2 destroyed on ground



Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
B5N2 Kate x 49
D3A1 Val x 30



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 8 damaged
D3A1 Val: 8 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Ryanyi, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled


Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
18 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb





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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:39:22 AM   
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Pretty sure that I sunk these subs. Nakhoda no longer has an anchor symbol so I guess that I sank everything there. Vladivostok now lists only 4 DDs in port.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:43:01 AM   
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Every time I take an airfield it seems like I destroy more aircraft. I am also killing planes on the ground with my bombing. I asked my opponent if his air operations had slowed due to pilot or airframe shortage. He told me that it was due to a lack of replacement aircraft. He says that he has exhausted all soviet aircraft replacements in the pool until 1943. Not sure how this could be since I do not play allied, but that is what he said.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:47:07 AM   
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Here are the combat results for the artillery duel at Voroshilov for the turn. I am going to gamble that he is low on supplies. All units are shifting from reserve to shock attack here next turn. If he is out of supply or has everyone in reserve then I have a chance of breaking through. Otherwise I will lose and go back to bombarding him with aircraft and guns.

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6443 troops, 407 guns, 439 vehicles, Assault Value = 2398

Defending force 74045 troops, 1531 guns, 806 vehicles, Assault Value = 2030

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 48 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 17 (6 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 53 (52 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1899 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 39 disabled
Non Combat: 72 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 39 (19 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 94 (76 destroyed, 18 disabled)

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65039 troops, 1411 guns, 735 vehicles, Assault Value = 1945

Defending force 104422 troops, 1065 guns, 1040 vehicles, Assault Value = 2398

Japanese ground losses:
565 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 92 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 33 (9 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Vehicles lost 127 (86 destroyed, 41 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Here is the sitrep for the area:





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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:49:24 AM   
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In China, I captured Changsha....

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Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 99786 troops, 907 guns, 135 vehicles, Assault Value = 2796

Defending force 73323 troops, 422 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1432

Japanese adjusted assault: 2411

Allied adjusted defense: 467

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Changsha !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
5313 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 348 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 171 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
31411 casualties reported
Squads: 1165 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 1399 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 219 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 69 (69 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 13


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:...
116th Division...
39th Division...
34th Division...
6th Division...
13th Division...
13th Tank Regiment...
3rd Division...
40th Division...
58th Infantry Regiment...
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion...
1st Mortar Battalion...
11th Army...
8th Ind. Engineer Regiment...
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment...
2nd Ind. Engineer Regiment...
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion...
...
Defending units:...
10th Chinese Corps...
20th Chinese Corps...
72nd Chinese Corps...
73rd Chinese Corps...
58th Chinese Corps...
53rd Chinese Corps...
26th Chinese Corps...
87th Chinese Corps...
74th Chinese Corps...
37th Chinese Corps...
99th Chinese Corps...
9th War Area ...
19th Group Army...






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:50:54 AM   
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I also captured Loyang!

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Ground combat at Loyang (87,43)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 116950 troops, 872 guns, 269 vehicles, Assault Value = 3296

Defending force 36499 troops, 272 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 566

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 3048

Allied adjusted defense: 499

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Loyang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3160 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 174 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 117 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (0 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
18415 casualties reported
Squads: 521 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 1058 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 90 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 33 (26 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Units retreated 18


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:...
17th Division...
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade...
35th Division...
15th Division...
59th Infantry Brigade...
22nd Division...
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade...
110th Division...
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade...
27th Division...
32nd Division...
1st Army...
12th Army...
...
Defending units:...
9th Chinese Corps...
93rd Chinese Corps...
80th Chinese Corps...
98th Chinese Corps...
27th Chinese Corps...
40th Chinese Corps...
33rd Chinese Corps...
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps...
5th New Chinese Corps...
Jingcha War Area ...
4th Chinese Base Force...
36th Group Army...
15th Group Army...
24th Group Army...
39th Group Army...
14th Group Army...
1st War Area ...
10th Chinese Base Force...





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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:53:36 AM   
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With these two major victories, I am going to a consolidate and hold strategy in China for a bit. This will allow me to pull out some units and send them north to the Mongolian border. Once there, I can use them to defend if the northern soviet forces have broken through, or I can use them to attack Ulan Bator and beyond through Mongolia.




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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:56:21 AM   
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Finally, here are a couple of shots to show you that my subs are still out there looking for targets and trying to intimidate him. Not pictured are my 3 subs around hawaii. They get spotted every turn and I move them every turn. This breaks the detection but also helps make him think that I have even more subs there.

Here are my subs off San Diego.





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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:58:14 AM   
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And in the Bass straits watching for supplies arriving from Capetown. You can't see it on the map but I mined Perth using one of the Japanese minelaying subs in case his ships stop for fuel there.

Pretty good turn overall.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 3:05:28 AM   
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Not sure how this could be since I do not play allied, but that is what he said.


You guys have run into the problem historically based fixed pools create when non-historic things happen in game. Soviet airframe production is so low (8 or 16 airframes per fighter per month) it only takes one or two battles to wipe out a full months production.

What’s even worse is the fact the Soviets apparently get no armor production at all. As I read the replacement chart, T-26 and BT-7 production stop after just 1 months production and no new armor production begins for the Soviets until the T-34/85 starts up in mid 1944. I find no T-34/76 type tank on the chart to fill tank production for the intervening years.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 3:15:59 AM   
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Good point Jim. Thanks for the synopsis. This sounds like another case where there needs to be a tripwire that releases additional replacement aircraft, infantry, and tanks if the Soviets do activate. Historically, this would have been a trying time for the Soviets and I don't know how many additional replacements could be spared from the war with Germany, but I imagine that they would find something somewhere if they were in danger of losing their far east ports.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 3:30:44 AM   
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I don't know how many additional replacements could be spared from the war with Germany, but I imagine that they would find something somewhere if they were in danger of losing their far east ports.


I agree. The Soviets produced 9, 924 fighters in 1942. Even if they only diverted 10% of their production to deal with the threat, that’s roughly 1, 000 fighters. This is about twice what the game produces for them now. But I doubt they’d only divert a measly 10% with such a large threat to deal with. Especially since they pulled back their airforce in the face of the German onslaught for most of 1942 anyway.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 3:52:22 AM   
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Sometimes I wonder rather if the Soviets may simply have given up the Far-East with a fighting withdrawal, waiting for a better day. It's not like the Japanese had the means to go way beyond the Lake Baikal, or really up north. We use to say they had land to trade in the West. But look at the East, that's not land, that's a continent!

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 4:05:51 AM   
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Agreed, but they did invest a sizeable number of units into the area even when facing the Germans in the West. If they planned to give it up, they weren't going to do it without a fight. I believe that Vladiovostock was also felt to be rather important, at least symbolically.

Now we have the pleasure of seeing a rough estimation of what would happen if the Japanese attacked in 42.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 8:24:14 AM   
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Rob Brennan,

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Looks like his supplies are running low in Voroshilov. Im basing this on the relative number of gun tubes and losses. Tubes are roughly similar in number and i would imagine in calible too (soviet arty is good). Losses however are 4-1 in your favour. This may of course be an artifact of you good choice to use rest mode and rotate units.


interesting remark. I read this excellent AAR (thanks )also because of the detailed info on the Voroshilov gun duels. Here, we have a different setup than the China gun duel reports Canoerebel provided, so maybe one can identify relevant factors.

The supply aspect is one which I may not have considered sufficiently so far. However, if this was the case, should we not see a deteriorating trend in the results ? Or would it just affect in steps (supply orange, supply red)? I was under the impression that the results stay about equal, perhaps even improve for the Soviets especially with respect to the effectiveness of counter barrage. Thus, so far I have interpreted the differences as an indication for the fact that perhaps experience of the troops involved is decisive (note that I did not check the exp values for the candidate units). Perhaps one should try a more statistical approach...

Just my free-flowing thoughts... maybe nonsense...

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Im not sure its supply i would expect more drastic drop , i suspect its high disruption and fatigue.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 2:40:28 PM   
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If they planned to give it up, they weren't going to do it without a fight. I believe that Vladiovostock was also felt to be rather important, at least symbolically.


I agree, and the fact they had already gone over to offensive operations against Germany by the time 7 Dec. rolled around means the panic and fear of late summer 41 was already behind them and the disasters of Spring 42 were still yet to occur.

I don’t think they’d have had a problem in sending 10 or 15 divisions and other assets to deal with a Japanese attack in Dec 41. Sending that amount of stuff after Germany had launched its spring offensives in 42 is a different story of course, the panic of 41 would be creeping back into STAVKA’s thought process by then. So perhaps a May/June withdraw date could be added to half of the special reinforcing divisions, assuming they add such a force to the game.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/9/2009 8:01:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
However he can in AE as its hexsides that now matter.



After seeing what happened to the units in Manila, I'm not sure this aspect of the game is WAD. Otherwise the Manila units should have retreated to Clark, but they surrendered instead.

Jim



I have to confess i'm not 100% either. but it seems that way for supply purposes and in Aztez game it did affect retreats iirc. I need another brain for AE info, all my WitP knowledge is leaking out and being replaced, slowly.

Re the supply maybe i brought up earlier, as i said it was a guess but a 4-1 loss differance does need some explanation, maybe it is fatigue and disruption. only one person really knows and he's not posting here

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/10/2009 12:24:53 AM   
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We will know more about the artillery effects when my units attack this turn. We will have to look at how that attack comes off including AV modifiers from base. Hopefully I will get the turn from Mark in time to do it this evening.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/10/2009 4:39:57 AM   
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Turn 66 10 Feb 1942

The weather was poor again, but I pounded Vladivostok and Voroshilov with airstrikes all turn.
It was a low action turn except for the continued sub attacks on the KB that are happening every turn, the air raids, and the shock attack that I attempted at Voroshilov.

In looking at the results, I think that he is not quite out of supply, but is heavily fatigued and disrupted. What do you guys think?

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 88385 troops, 1069 guns, 713 vehicles, Assault Value = 2426

Defending force 72846 troops, 1523 guns, 765 vehicles, Assault Value = 1971

Japanese adjusted assault: 661

Allied adjusted defense: 346

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
6894 casualties reported
Squads: 44 destroyed, 319 disabled
Non Combat: 90 destroyed, 349 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 50 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 107 (41 destroyed, 66 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
4169 casualties reported
Squads: 56 destroyed, 170 disabled
Non Combat: 135 destroyed, 289 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 24 disabled
Guns lost 80 (26 destroyed, 54 disabled)
Vehicles lost 177 (122 destroyed, 55 disabled)

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 60575 troops, 1402 guns, 607 vehicles, Assault Value = 1716

Defending force 96623 troops, 1076 guns, 924 vehicles, Assault Value = 2040

Japanese ground losses:
1217 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 78 destroyed, 85 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 61 (26 destroyed, 35 disabled)
Vehicles lost 91 (57 destroyed, 34 disabled)

I felt very good that I knocked his AV down quite a bit and that the fight was at 1 to 1. Last time it was like 1 to 5.

However, most of my units are highly disrupted, especially my infantry units. So once again, I will continue to bombard every turn and hit him with airstrikes until he cracks. Meanwhile, my infantry units are all in reserve again to remove disruption.

Here is a snap of one of my disrupted units. Several others are in close to this condition:






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/10/2009 7:12:54 AM   
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Here is a snap of one of my disrupted units. Several others are in close to this condition:








would say it´s also pretty much maxxed out in terms of being disabled... I wouldn´t call this unit combat ready.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/10/2009 7:55:40 AM   
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still 64 morale though...
you got a couple of geishas around to keep them happy? (could also explain the 99 dis / 81 fat ...  )

How worried are you about sub attacks on the KB? Speaking of it what is the performance of the Russian subs
anyway? i guess the torps have a higher reliability?



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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/10/2009 8:32:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seydlitz
I felt very good that I knocked his AV down quite a bit and that the fight was at 1 to 1. Last time it was like 1 to 5.


I’d be careful about assuming too much at this point. It’s very possible he had half or more of his combat units assigned to bombard along with his artillery units and their AV would have been halved because of it. Seeing you launch such a shock attack he may put the units back to defend and his AV will grow next go around.

It’s also possible he had a lot of units in reserve that didn’t enter the fight. Hard to tell how bad off he actually is without a lot more combats under your belt there.

Jim


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I am definitely back to reserve and bombard here for a bit. So if he puts his units on defend that is fine since more will take casualties.

Here is another highly disrupted unit that is also very disabled. It would only take one Geisha to supply this unit.






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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 11/10/2009 6:05:59 PM   
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How significant, do you believe, was the degradation of his fortifications from level 2 to level 1?

Where are your paratroops?

Once again, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for this wonderful AAR.


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