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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 7:08:35 AM

stuman

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Very interesting. I had started thinking just a few days ago about whether it would be possible to play more of a static Jap game in China and shift forces to the Russian front. Seems like it is a bit of all or nothing deal. But I had not finished my analysis when I found your AAR.

I hadn't decided for instance where the point of concentration should be, nor how many units I might be able to move from China. You can probably deal with the 20 or so DDs and similar craft he gets, but those subs will be a bother.

If you can succeed at your point of attack and push all the way to the sea then I presume/hope that the Soviets in and around Vlad will suffer from supply problems. Then the Soviets around Heiho can maybe be dealt with. But I got stumped as to how to contain all of those troops in and around the Chita/Gobi desert area. Seems like a massive number of Red Army units that could either drop straight down on top of Peiking, and/or slide over to N. China to help out there. That made me start wondering how many troops I had to pull out from Southern and Middle China to move over to the Kalgan area ( I guess ) to help hold off those Lake Baikal territory forces.

And that is where I stopped before I spotted your AAR

I really look forward to see how everything works out. Hats off to you for being so bold.

< Message edited by stuman -- 9/7/2009 7:10:13 AM >

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 12:17:55 PM

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Hi Stu,
How's Memphis? It's been a year since we moved from there and I can't say that I miss the summer heat that much.

My primary concern with Russia after I beat down the planes and deal with the subs will be the northern forces. If my opponent moves aggressively, he can cut down from the north and do a lot of damage. I can't attack and defend in multiple places on the front. It's my plan to fight a delaying action on the Northern and NE borders, drive his southern forces back into Vladivostok and trap them, then roll up the rest by shifting troops around. If he comes at me hard I will have to move troops from elsewhere to cope.

On the bright side, there are a lot of VPs to be had and also the oil and resources of the region. I would much rather be transporting across the sea of Japan to the home islands in 1943 than all the way from SRA (although I hope to do both).

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 5:26:10 PM

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I do like the mind game aspect on the PBEM's. That is one area of warfare which cannot be ignored!

Yeah, KB has that "where is it" feeling for the allied side. It always helps temporarily to know its where abouts in early months.

Seems that you too have reliable pbem partner(s). That is the only way these kind of games will work out. It takes such an longtime to advance.

As said intresting to see how this plays out.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 6:38:28 PM

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I grew up here, and I do not think one ever really enjoys the hot, humidity of summers in the South. You just cope

How long did you live here ? And how do you like Ill ?

I will be following this AAR closely, it is going to be interesting to say the least. I think so many of us just assume that what you are attempting is so close to impossible that no one bothers. I had thought about loading up a GC as the Japanese, activating the Soviets, then switching sides just to see what I could do with the Red forces for a month or so. I may still try to do that.

Odds and ends I have noticed while looking at the Soviet forces in my current ( very early stage ) GC as the Allies. The Russian CD forces on the mainland are tough. A couple of dozen, or more , large guns in every place. Conversely most have few infantry. Also there are numerous Red air forces around, but not sufficient support. Hopefully you can wreck the southern air bases quickly.

There is by my very quick and dirty count just a few minutes ago about 3500 or so rawRussian AV points lurking in the " Northern " part of the Soviet front. Most with experience in the 50s and above. I guess the Jap. could base a holding action on the Kalgan/Linshi/Arshaan/Hailor line utilizing the defense bonus of the woods. And I am pretty sure that by slowing down activity in China you could come up with a fair amount of AV to help. But what about paying PP in order to do so. Is there any kind of House Rule preventing you from doing so ?

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 8:39:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: stuman

I grew up here, and I do not think one ever really enjoys the hot, humidity of summers in the South. You just cope How long did you live here ? And how do you like Ill ?

I will be following this AAR closely, it is going to be interesting to say the least. I think so many of us just assume that what you are attempting is so close to impossible that no one bothers. I had thought about loading up a GC as the Japanese, activating the Soviets, then switching sides just to see what I could do with the Red forces for a month or so. I may still try to do that.

Odds and ends I have noticed while looking at the Soviet forces in my current ( very early stage ) GC as the Allies. The Russian CD forces on the mainland are tough. A couple of dozen, or more , large guns in every place. Conversely most have few infantry. Also there are numerous Red air forces around, but not sufficient support. Hopefully you can wreck the southern air bases quickly.

There is by my very quick and dirty count just a few minutes ago about 3500 or so rawRussian AV points lurking in the " Northern " part of the Soviet front. Most with experience in the 50s and above. I guess the Jap. could base a holding action on the Kalgan/Linshi/Arshaan/Hailor line utilizing the defense bonus of the woods. And I am pretty sure that by slowing down activity in China you could come up with a fair amount of AV to help. But what about paying PP in order to do so. Is there any kind of House Rule preventing you from doing so ?

I also grew up in Memphis and lived there for 44 years before moving to Illinois to take a new job late last summer. We may have known each other from wargaming days as I have been a gamer since the early seventies.

What do I not miss about Memphis: The heat, the racial polarization, and most of all the crime. All of them are better by an order of magnitude up here.

What do I miss about Memphis: Family, friends, and barbeque. Not only is good BBQ hard to find up here, but when you do, you have to pay extra for the slaw on the sandwich if they offer it at all. We have to drive 38 miles to a BBQ place that actually has good BBQ. They have pictures of several Memphis BBQ places on the wall of the business, and even serve sandwiches "Memphis Style" for $.79 extra (that would be with slaw).

Regarding your comments about the Soviets, I am moving additional forces up to Hailor to hold there. In the west, I will slowly advance with light forces towards Ulan Bator and fall back from there if I get into trouble. This isn't going to be a cakewalk by any means.

We don't have a HR preventing movement of units between commands. Shouldn't be a big problem anyway since the fronts kind of mix together in the north, especially since the Soviets are now active. I really don't plan on pulling any units out of China for the fight in Korea, but I am limiting my objectives in China until I get Korea sorted out.

Very important in my decision to attack Russia was that as time goes on their training, prep, and forts would only get stronger. By attacking early, it minimized the advantages that these gave them and took advantage of my units being strong and well trained. On this front, even Idas and Nates can make significant contributions.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 8:51:25 PM

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Turn 19 (December 25, 1941) is complete.

The weather was better this turn and the Soviet air force was active in the defense of Vladivostok and in offensive strikes against my airfield at Hailor up in the north. I actually lost more planes during this turn than on any day of the war to date. I literally poured bombers into strikes against Vladivostok, and my escorting fliers evidently flew multiple missions in support. I have several units with fatigue ranging from 35-50 at the end of the turn. I am going to have to stand these down and rest them to get them back into shape. Otherwise I will lose them due to the negative impact of fatigue.

Next turn, I will do some sweeps with my zeroes over Vladivostok while the other fighters rest. I am also transiting the Oscars up from the SRA. They will be needed here because of their high mvr rating and their light gun value will be no different than that of the Soviet fighters. My bombers will switch to night attacks for a turn or two to protect them while my fighters rest. It will also prevent him from resting up and may even do some damage. I am taking a risk by standing down the fighters, but I doubt that he could do enough damage to my forces even if he picked the right airfields and launched an offensive strike.

Here is how the mission plots this turn and next looked:

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 8:51:35 PM

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Graduated from Public Schools here, and from U of M. I am hoping that our new Mayor ( probably Wharton ) will help. Herenton was a hinderance. I have been wargaming since my first Avalon Hill game back in the late 60's. My brother and I spent many, many hours playing all sorts of titles. Great memories

I am pulling for you in this AAR. You are certainly correct in that if one is going to attack Russia, it has to be done immediately.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 8:53:44 PM

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I hit his port and damaged several subs. If he leaves them there I will hopefully hit them again this turn. It also looks like I have reduced his fighter strength by half since last turn.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:08:09 PM

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Here is how the raids played out via the combat reports:

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Night Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Light rain

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Choybalsan , at 103,28

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 24

Allied aircraft
I-153 x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-27b Nate sweeping at 15000 feet

CAP engaged:
64 SAP IAE with I-153 (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 48
Ki-27b Nate x 147
Ki-36 Ida x 15

Allied aircraft
I-153 x 29
I-16m24 x 74

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 7 destroyed, 14 damaged
Ki-27b Nate: 10 destroyed
Ki-36 Ida: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
I-153: 2 destroyed on ground
I-16m24: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged
I-16m24: 2 destroyed on ground
SB-2: 4 destroyed on ground
MBR-2: 2 destroyed on ground
R-10: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 38

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
22 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with I-16m24 (5 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
29 IAD/304 IAP with I-16m24 (5 airborne, 11 on standby, 10 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
70 IAD/305 IAP with I-16m24 (5 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
70 IAD/306 IAP with I-153 (9 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
29 IAD/307 IAP with I-153 (5 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
70 IAD/308 IAP with I-16m24 (11 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes

Training flight from 70 IAD/306 IAP has been caught up in attack
Training flight from 70 IAD/308 IAP has been caught up in attack

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-27b Nate x 62
Ki-30 Ann x 19

Allied aircraft
I-153 x 19
I-16m24 x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 2 destroyed
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 2 destroyed
I-16m24: 1 destroyed

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 1 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Raid is overhead
34 SAD/47 IAP with I-153 (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
29 IAD/304 IAP with I-16m24 (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 7 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
70 IAD/306 IAP with I-153 (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
29 IAD/307 IAP with I-153 (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/308 IAP with I-16m24 (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with I-16m24 (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/305 IAP with I-16m24 (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
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Morning Air attack on Hailar , at 107,30

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
I-153 x 16
SB-2 x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x SB-2 bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hailar , at 107,30

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
SB-2 x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SB-2 bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
G4M1 Betty x 15
Ki-27b Nate x 55

Allied aircraft
I-15bis x 4
I-153 x 20
I-16m24 x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-27b Nate: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-16m24: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
SS ShCh-121, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
DD Rekordnyi, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
TK TP-118, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Revanch, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS ShCh-107, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
SS ShCh-105, Bomb hits 1

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
34 SAD/47 IAP with I-153 (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Raid is overhead
32 SAD/75 IAP with I-15bis (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Raid is overhead
29 IAD/307 IAP with I-153 (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/308 IAP with I-16m24 (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
32 SAD/5 IAP with I-153 (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Raid is overhead
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with I-16m24 (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/305 IAP with I-16m24 (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/306 IAP with I-153 (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
29 IAD/304 IAP with I-16m24 (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 5 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

Training flight from 29 IAD/307 IAP has been caught up in attack

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Afternoon Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
Ki-27b Nate x 16

Allied aircraft
I-153 x 16
I-16m24 x 47

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 2 destroyed
I-16m24: 8 destroyed

CAP engaged:
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with I-16m24 (1 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
29 IAD/304 IAP with I-16m24 (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/305 IAP with I-16m24 (3 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/306 IAP with I-153 (2 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Raid is overhead
29 IAD/307 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/308 IAP with I-16m24 (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 65
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 4

Allied aircraft
I-153 x 9
I-16m24 x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses

Runway hits 2

CAP engaged:
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with I-16m24 (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
29 IAD/304 IAP with I-16m24 (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/305 IAP with I-16m24 (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/306 IAP with I-153 (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
29 IAD/307 IAP with I-153 (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
70 IAD/308 IAP with I-16m24 (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead

Training flight from 10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP has been caught up in attack
Training flight from 29 IAD/304 IAP has been caught up in attack
Training flight from 70 IAD/305 IAP has been caught up in attack
Training flight from 70 IAD/308 IAP has been caught up in attack

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:09:13 PM

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Here are the aircraft losses for the turn:

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:11:27 PM

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Meanwhile, storms at Okha cancelled the airstrikes of the KB. That means that I have to hang around for another turn to pound his units with my carrier based airpower.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:13:27 PM

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Here is what the northern front looks like. I will be moving additional units up to Hailor to hold there should he attack:

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:14:54 PM

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More bloody skies over Vladivostok

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:20:20 PM

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Meanwhile, over in North China I captured Chengchow and my opponent counterattacked unsuccessfully at Tsiaotso.
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Ground combat at 83,52

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 28810 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 850

Defending force 17528 troops, 116 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 389

Japanese adjusted assault: 1376

Allied adjusted defense: 119

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
602 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7402 casualties reported
Squads: 101 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 220 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Division
6th Division

Defending units:
37th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 29350 troops, 208 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 757

Defending force 15482 troops, 97 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 218

Japanese adjusted assault: 421

Allied adjusted defense: 64

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Chengchow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1335 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 99 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
9198 casualties reported
Squads: 83 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 302 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 64 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 21 (21 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 9

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
35th Division
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade

Defending units:
40th Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
15th Chinese Corps
7th Construction Regiment
10th Chinese Base Force
24th Group Army
39th Group Army
1st War Area
3rd Construction Regiment

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Ground combat at Tsiaotso (88,42)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16317 troops, 115 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 389

Defending force 18971 troops, 144 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 487

Allied adjusted assault: 74

Japanese adjusted defense: 850

Allied assault odds: 1 to 11

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: morale(-)

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1940 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 102 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 107 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled

Assaulting units:
27th Chinese Corps
33rd Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
5th New Chinese Corps
7th Group Army

Defending units:
27th Division
16th Ind.Mixed Brigade

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:23:34 PM

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Meanwhile in Southern China I got my head handed to me at Pucheng and was sent packing towards Foochow:
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Ground combat at Pucheng (86,57)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 4142 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127

Defending force 20752 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 642

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 471

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2174 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 149 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 73 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
115th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
70th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps
32nd Group Army

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Ground combat at Pucheng (86,57)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19434 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 636

Defending force 1989 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 652

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 652 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
799 casualties reported
Squads: 55 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 45 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (3 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
70th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps
32nd Group Army

Defending units:
115th Infantry Regiment

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:30:53 PM

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Meanwhile, over on Luzon he tried to kick me out of Lucena in the south and failed. Now his unit is trapped and cut off. Up north, I further solidified my advance...
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Ground combat at Lucena (79,79)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1148 troops, 4 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 358

Defending force 3656 troops, 52 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Japanese adjusted assault: 28

Allied adjusted defense: 22

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
9th Infantry Regiment
48th Recon Regiment
16th Recon Regiment
20th Infantry Regiment
16th Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
51st PA Infantry Division

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Ground combat at 81,76

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1080 troops, 0 guns, 102 vehicles, Assault Value = 58

Defending force 9 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 53

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 53 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), disruption(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (14 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
2nd Tank Regiment

Defending units:
3rd/12th PA Inf Battalion
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Ground combat at Lucena (79,79)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3580 troops, 52 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 120

Defending force 12624 troops, 90 guns, 84 vehicles, Assault Value = 354

Allied adjusted assault: 38

Japanese adjusted defense: 154

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
596 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
51st PA Infantry Division

Defending units:
9th Infantry Regiment
16th Recon Regiment
20th Infantry Regiment
48th Recon Regiment
16th Engineer Regiment

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:32:53 PM

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Those air raids seems to inflict very low numbers on actually downed fighters and bombers.

I would assume the op losses were the main losses here so far. I see that your opponent is keeping significant numbers of aircraft on south. I wonder whether he is overstacking here quite a bit.

Another suprise was to see port hits on those submarines. Those guys really need to be out on the sea as much as possible. I doubt they were out of fuel just yet since the campaign go started. Good for you though since few sunken submarines is valuable.

Nice going here.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:35:39 PM

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I captured Tulagi unopposed this turn.

At Tarakan we continue to hold on. In Malaya I am still waiting on my troops to move from Singora to Alor Star.
Ground combat at Tarakan (67,91)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1057 troops, 30 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Defending force 978 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 29

Assaulting units:
VII KNIL Battalion
Tarakan Coastal Gun Battalion
Tarakan Base Force

Defending units:
I/81st Naval Guard Unit
III/81st Naval Guard Unit

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:39:32 PM

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On to economics and information.....
I have several screens to show this turn in hopes that it will provoke discussion.

First off look at my supply usage from witpstaff. I am going to have to turn off some repairs or I will be out of supply in 83 days. Even R&D factories consume supply as they repair, and I can see now that this was a mistake to convert all of these early as they are now sucking down supply.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:43:48 PM

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My biggest consumer of HI is now armaments. I expanded the armament and vehicle industries (also costing me supplies as they repair up) but Japan needs both to be able to replace losses and fill out the TOE on arriving units.

I will also run through the industry/troops/resources pool to show you what is being built by these, what is in pool, and how important it is to expand in this area.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:44:32 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:45:17 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:45:55 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:46:27 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:47:02 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:47:33 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:48:22 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:48:53 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:49:27 PM

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 9/7/2009 9:50:32 PM

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Here is my current aircraft pool. First fighters and bombers

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