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Another Sad Day - 6/13/2002 9:09:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well it has become official, one of my beloved MC-130 Combat Talons has crashed in Afgan, killing 3 with 7 survivors.:mad: My thoughts and prayers are with those how have suffered such a terrible fate. How does someone return to work knowing that they'll never see someones smiling face again. A request for a moment of silence..............................................................................................

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- 6/13/2002 9:18:37 AM   
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It's never easy.... - 6/13/2002 10:13:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		to take this type of news....you are right Gmenfan, our thoughts and prayers to all the families and loved ones of those who were involved.
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- 6/13/2002 11:01:48 AM   
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- 6/13/2002 11:14:14 AM   
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- 6/13/2002 3:28:45 PM   
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- 6/13/2002 4:19:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		My mark of resepct to all those serving in Afghanistan

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- 6/13/2002 10:12:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I want to know, is if we can be so upset over 1 aircrew in Afganistan....

Why is it so hard for us to get people to remember the past.

Naturally I feel for the loss of the families (that goes without saying as they served their country well).

But we lost millions during WW1 and WW2 as well as all those that fell in Korea and Vietnam.

Society has mostly forgotten all those brave souls.

When I see all the fuss for a few lost personel, and the complete lack of interest in the millions of not so long dead of not so many years past...

I'm sorry but I can't join in. 3 men or 30 or 300 or 3000 those numbers, pale in comparison to the forgotten millions.

Each man serving in Afganistan is there for the same reasons they were there in WW1. But each man knew the risks a job in uniform requires.

The undo media devotion is perhaps disgusting in its lack of proper perspective to the past.

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- 6/13/2002 11:29:22 PM   
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Well, I submit that given the renewal of interest in WW2 and Vietnam, partially inspired by the current war,that this argument is fast losing its validity.

As someone who also had bro's who didn't come back, while I'm still trading O2 for CO2, I'm of the strong view that this is entirely appropriate.

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- 6/13/2002 11:49:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feel pain and sorrow for all those that gave their lives and dedication in the past, but I wasn't around then so my personal feelings are focused on the present. As this hits home as I worked with these individuals day in and day out, both here in the US and abroad during all recent camapigns I've been involved with for the past 17 years.:( ........................................................:(

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- 6/14/2002 12:06:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm amazed Les. Mourning for the recently dead doesn't mean we forget or minimize the sacrifices of those that went before. Just because the casulty rate is much lower than in previous conflicts doesn't diminish the loss of these brave individuals.

Just because they understood the risks doesn't make their loss any less traumatic to their family and friends like gmenfan.

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- 6/14/2002 4:12:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
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I'm sorry but I can't join in. 3 men or 30 or 300 or 3000 those numbers, pale in comparison to the forgotten millions.

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Those 3 or 30 or 300 or 3000 are part of those millions... If you choose not to honor or respect one, you fail to honor or respect them all. I noticed that you overlooked the Civil War, 1812, the Revolutionary War, and many others.... Just because you didn't mention them at this moment doesn't mean you have forgotten them, I am sure.

So you see, we can honor gmenfan's friends, and it doesn't mean we have forgotten anything.

Goblin- A Goblin is sorry for the loss:(

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- 6/14/2002 4:22:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		No every fallen soldier is equally valid.

Admittedly I didn't go further back than WW1, but that doesn't diminish anything previous in my mind.

No the people that annoy me are not you guys, its the people ranting in places like Maclean's Magazine (my countries equal to Time magazine).

They are the people that comment and often have no idea of what they comment on. They also don't show up on Rememberence Day or likely in your case Memorial Day.

These people that say the words and yet won't back them up. Which explains why my country is allowed to send our Army into harms way in a manner that borders on criminal negligence.

I am just sensitive I guess. One to many hysterical civilian, ranting in the press about a subject they know nothing about.

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- 6/14/2002 10:44:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who says not every fallen soldier is not equally valid? If he gave his life in the service of his country he is just as valid as anyone who ever lived.

Do you realize what you are saying?

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- 6/14/2002 10:55:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just curious Bing.....

You do realise I said "no" as opposed to "not' in that sentence eh.

It dramatically alters the sentence if you misread it.

Although I might have put a comma following "no" I suppose.

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- 6/15/2002 1:10:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok peoples, before things get any uglier because of misunderstandings can put this to rest, this is not what was intended when I started this thread.

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- 6/15/2002 2:08:18 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		Geeez if this is ugly I sure would like to see the rating scale heheh:D

I haven't seen anything ugly, or even mildly worrisome?

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- 6/15/2002 2:21:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe the word frustating would be a better word, it seemed tempers we're starting surface.

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- 6/15/2002 3:40:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		My apologies........

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- 6/15/2002 5:31:59 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		Dang sometimes the worry level around here makes me think I am hanging out with old women and not hard core wargamers heheh:D

Do you guys have any idea of the armour you have to penetrate just to offend me?:)

But I suppose it is sometimes better to err on the side of caution.

We don't want the place looking like Art Of War eh:D :D

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- 6/15/2002 6:18:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		To reply to was sarge said I somewhat agree with him.

Men dieing is a fact of war.
Its what makes it so unique.
Up until Desert Storm Americas wars have been bloody.

When this sotry ran I saw that we have only lost 40 so far in this "war" ( I use quotes because I consider nation vs nation war, I call this kicking the ***'s of ppl that need their ***'s kicked).
they said 95% of those have been in traning accidents.
That right there is why we see the shamless protrayel of our fallen troops splayed out on Fox News Channel ( God I hate fox new but thats a different story)

During Vietnam losing 10 men in a single 10 minute span was considered a good 10 minutes.
Now that we lost 10 in a single aircrash makes the nation sad.

I for one feel no sadness over our men dying.
Before you get pissed let me explain.

I didnt know any of the 10 (as Im sure most of us didnt)
Therefor I cant say I feel sad without lying.
What I do feel is a sense of pride in our nation and our armed forces.
I feel dying for ones country is the highest honor one can achive in their life.
So No, I dont anykind of deep guilt/sadness/depression In its place it makes me proud to be an american.
The fact that one plane crash even makes it on television is a mark ouf how great our nation is.

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Sorry, gmenfan, but... - 6/15/2002 6:49:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can't any of you people read? gmenfan lost his [I]friends.[/I] He only requested a moment of respectful silence. If you can't do that for the fallen, or for gmenfan, don't post.


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- 6/15/2002 7:41:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		No Art of War comparisons in here or someones blood will be shed!!!!!! I'd like to think those of us in here are all better than the childish mudslinging that goes on in there. At least thats what I've tried to pride myself on doing in here. I've taken no offense to any comments made within here, I just felt some comments have been misunderstood by others causing some to lash out in anger. So all concerned parties please take a step back and take a deep breath and let us carry on with our lives. All of our fallen comrades would want it this way.:D

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- 6/15/2002 10:44:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry for the misreading. I don't know how long anyone else has been around. I remember my classmate's father - neighbors from across the street in our smal Michigan town - being killed early on in WW2. Ex-wif'es uncle was killed in the bocage in Normandy. Close friend and hunting companion killed in Korea - he was a good shot, they made him a sniper. Other friends killed in Vietnam or came home in worse condition than any returning servicemen I have known since before WW2 - yes, I knew some WW1 vets, I was born in 1934.

I'll apologize for whatever furor was raised. I get testy when the subject comes up, because so many have died. Not because they wanted to, because they were following orders, in a time when honor and duty meant something.

I understand I become emotional about this. I will not apologize for that, however I will apologize for having seriously misinterpreted Sarge's posting. He's right, I should read more carefully. I will attempt to do so in the future.

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- 6/16/2002 12:16:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Gmenfan I have looked over the thread....

I missed that you actually knew those people in some manner.

In retrospect I hope my comments weren't to generalised and lacked compassion.

This old soldier considers all of the brotherhood of war as buddies to a point of course.
It's a very rare individual on any side of a conflict that isn't basically "one of us".

I count myself among the particularly rare that I can't really say I can recall a particular individual in uniform I know that has fallen.

But I feel the loss for all that lay down their lives in the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs.

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- 6/16/2002 8:13:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe we should close this thread with a moment of silence, eh?

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- 6/16/2002 8:55:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Sarge, as posted somewhere within this thread no hard feelings toward any comments made as I could read between the lines and see it was a matter of misunderstandings. Closing as suggested in the previous post but it wouldn't be right if I didn't accept you apology first.
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