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RE: Seven Days - 7/21/2010 6:30:12 PM   
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All eyes are on China and vicinity now:

Haiphong:  The first Allied deliberate attacks are productive, dropping forts from 5 to 3.  This base won't hold much longer.  The Japanese probably have about 75,000 troops here, so this will be a nice payback for Manila or Singapore back in early '42.  Once Haiphong falls and the defenders are eliminated, most of the Allied army will move north; but a few units will be directed south to help in the liberation of Vietnam (and ultimately Bangkok and Singapore).

Kukong:  The first Allied deliberate attack - mainly Chinese units - came off at 1:2.  Casualties were roughly equal in numbers, but in terms of squads disrupted the Allies came out on the short end.  Nevertheless, with plenty of reinforcements heading this way, I don't think this base can hold out very long.

Allied Carriers:  Have moved around the northern South China Sea.  On one occasion they attracted droves of Japanese LBA which failed to accomplish anythng except to lose 250 aircraft while downing perhaps 50 Allied aircraft.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/22/2010 2:20:40 PM   
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Vietnam:  Haiphong fell to the Allies on 12/15/44.  This opens the road for the Allies all the way from India to the front in China (though the going is slow on the yellow road between Moulmein and the bases north of Bangkok).  Most of the victorious Allied army is moving north to the China front, but a few will press south or garrison Haiphong.  The surviving Japanese units withdrew across the river into a marsh hex.  I'll leave them to whatever end is dictated by fate or Miller's efforts to extract them.  The Allies will press south to Hue, the next enemy garrison.

China:  The Japanese are giving the Allies fits at Kukong, where four divisons plus a division equivalent are defending behind five forts.  The Allies have a massive (but mostly Chinese-unit) army here with another army moving through Changsha to threaten bases to the north.  I've tried two very costly deliberate attacks at Kukong.  I'll rest the troops and try one more.  If those results aren't promising I may leave a holding force at Kukong and re-route the bulk of this army to Kansien or even further north.  Most of the American and British troops are heading further north where resistance - at least at first - looks to be lighter.  I should note that for all intents and purposes the rest of the war is going to be fought and decided here in China.  No need in diverting troops to other well-defended places like Formosa or Okinawa when the big bases for strategic bombing can be found on the mainland.

Allied Carriers:  The Allies can reinforce and re-supply China without serious threat of disruption as long as they control the seas.  So I don't foresee taking any big chances with my carriers.  I just want to feed troops and supply into China as quickly as possible.

Malaya:  The Allies took Nikkon Si Thammarat, a city midway up the Malay Peninsula.  Next objectives are Singora and then Khota Bahru.

Miller's Take:  Email message from Miller about eight game-days ago:  "I must congratulate you on your move against Southern China, it has rendered the whole map west of Hanoi irrelevant."  He's right.  Seven Days penetrated deeply into Japanese territory and rendered more than half the remaining empire totally irrelevant.  Something like fifteen or twenty large garrisons (Manila, Soerabaja, Palembang, Singapore, Bangkok, Saigon, etc) and all the effort that went into establishing an indepth, well fortified, well supplied MLR negated. The operation was expensive in terms of transports, but well, well worth it.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/22/2010 8:46:11 PM   
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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 1:58:53 PM   
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Happy New Year!  We've reached 1945 and things are going well for the Allies.  Miller's lead dropped below 3,000 points for the first time on December 29 and the Allies are advancing in China, now the only theater in the game that really matters.  This is my third WitP/AE game that I've played.  The first two went a long way (one ending 8/44 and the other 12/31/44), but this is the first time I've reached 1945.  In large part this is due to Miller's tenacious fighting seasoned with a Dash of Scenario Two Attributes and a Liberal Sprinkle of I'm-in-a-hurry-so-I'm-not-being-as-careful-as-I-ought-to-be.

SEAC:  The Allies are moving in both directions.  To the south, a 1,000 AV army just took Singora and is moving on toward Khota Bharu.  Up in China, Sian just fell after the Japanese pulled out.  But the real action is to the east where the Japanese have erected stout roadblocks at Kukong and Kanhsien, but a massive Allied army has reached the relatively undefended terrain east of Changsha and is sprinting for the coast.  There is too much territory and too many cities for the Japanese to adequately defend them all.  I don't know where or which cities yet, but the Allies will be on the coast within two weeks.  Down at Haiphong, the Allies wiped out the Japanese remnants.  This Allied army will head south to Hue.

Carriers:  The Allied CVE TFs continue to patrol waters east of Hainan Island (and sprinted south to pick off an IJN CL and DD near Vietnam a week ago).  The CVs have returned to Borneo to refuel and to provide escort for a massive reinforcement convoy that is loading now.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 3:34:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder why you are able to overrun him in China, shouldn´t the Japanese only get stronger in China and not weaker over the years? Or is it because Miller transferred many of his units out of the theatre. I´ve always thought holding on to China would be the easiest task for the Japanese, no matter which year.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 3:46:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose Miller would be better able to descirbe the Japanese position in China.

To be honest, I'm not sure what the Allies "should" face in China in 1945.  I do know that I expected the sudden and massive influx of British and American troops (plus Oz, Kiwi, African, Indian, etc.) to "break the log jam."

I think, but I'm not positive, that Miller's first reaction following the invasion of Hainan Island was to identify Canton and Hong Kong as vulernable and prime targets.  I think a heck of alot of effort went into getting troops to those two bases...but the Allies had no intention of "getting bogged down in a land war in Asia."  Instead, I bypassed those two stronggholds and have sought easier pathways to the coast.  Miller was able to throw up good roadblocks at Kukong and Kanhsien, but the Allies just slid further north and finally found a weak point.

The Allies just arrived at Nanchang - a big army of American and Brit units - only to find that the Japanese had suddenly reinforced the base.  I'm not going to try even a probing attack.  My units are bugging out and heading east.  I think there's a good chance now that the Allies can take some or all of Wenchow, Ningpo, and Hangkow, all of which are just south of Shanghai.  If so, the Allies can then begin to build big airbases and take the steps to isolate and reduce pockets of IJ resistance that threaten my LOCs.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 4:28:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Japanese do get a steady stream of ground reinforcements in China through 1944, as well as everywhere else.

Hey, who is the guy in your avatar Dan? I don't recognize him; I assume he is a Confederate General. At first I thought it was Pat Cleburne, but he doesn't look quite right. Can't think of anyone else, most famous Reb generals had full beards.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 4:43:51 PM   
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Can't think of anyone else, most famous Reb generals had full beards.


Well, not the Johnstons.

According to CR, in the picture it's Col. Emory F. Best.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 6:25:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		If Kukong, Kanhsien and everything to the south still are in Japanese hands, how the Allies provide aircover for their spearhead? Were air support units moved to Changsha area? Does either of you use aviation on ground attack in China at the moment?

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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 6:59:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Both sides are using bombers against enemy land units.  Japanese efforts are not particularly effective only because so many Allied units are present in so many hexes that I don't think Miller knows which stacks to bomb.  IE, his efforts have been dispersed.  Allied efforts are not highly effective against troops in fortified cities, but they have been effective against units in the open.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 7:04:44 PM   
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Hey, who is the guy in your avatar Dan? I don't recognize him; I assume he is a Confederate General. At first I thought it was Pat Cleburne, but he doesn't look quite right. Can't think of anyone else, most famous Reb generals had full beards.



HMS Resolution is correct - Col. Emory F. Best, 23rd Georgia Regiment.

Q-Ball, your "Cleburne" notion was good, because that would be about the nearest likeness to a general officer.

I've told readers in the AAR for our game more about Best. In short, Best commanded the 23rd Regiment at Catherine Furnace, a critical point during the Battle of Chancellorsville. In fact, Stonewall Jackson ordered the regiment detached to protect a vulnerable area during his famous flanking march on the day he was mortally wounded. Then Jackson detailed J.E.B. Stuart to position the regiment.

Best's men held off a superior Union attack by Gen. David Birney's Division for several hours, giving way from the Furnace to an unfinished railroad cut. Eventually, most of the regiment was taken captive by Hiram Berdan's U.S. Sharpshooters, but Best and some 20-30 Rebels escaped.

Best was court-martialled and dismissed from the service as a result of his leaving the bulk of his men behind. After the war, he became a judge in Macon, Georgia. He spent the last 20 or 25 years of his life as a clerk in the Interior Department in Washington, D.C. He died in 1912 and is buried in Macon's Rose Hill Cemetery. There is no mention of his service to the Confederacy on his tombstone.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/26/2010 7:57:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting story....probably would have been hailed as a hero if he died right there rather than escaping. Kind of the Confederate Joshua Chamberlain.

Ben Prentiss also got kind of a raw deal after Shiloh, certainly in his mind; he was captured, but the time he bought was key to the battle. He even won another at Helena; it is not recorded why, but Grant must not have liked the guy, or he would have received a more active command.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 1:08:54 AM   
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China: The map below shows the current situation in China, with the Allies advancing as fast as they can go toward the coastal cities of Foochow, Wenchow and Ningpo. The Japanese are concentrated to the south, around Canton, Hong Kong, Kansien, and Kukong. The bases targeted by the Allies are lightly protected. Once taken, Japan won't be able to recover them, because the Allies have alot more reinforcements on the way. In fact, the troops on the way are prepped for these coastal targets, so if Miller manages a last-minute reinforcement, I could attack both from land and by sea.

Carriers and Reinforcements: These ships are just transiting the Sulu Sea and heading into the South China Sea.




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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 3:57:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Interesting story....probably would have been hailed as a hero if he died right there rather than escaping. Kind of the Confederate Joshua Chamberlain.

Ben Prentiss also got kind of a raw deal after Shiloh, certainly in his mind; he was captured, but the time he bought was key to the battle. He even won another at Helena; it is not recorded why, but Grant must not have liked the guy, or he would have received a more active command.


Blabbing about the entire Union oob to his captors after being captured at Shiloh probabaly didnt earn him too many points. Lew Wallace probably got a worse deal for being late than Prentiss (although Wallace did write a cool book). Both fared better than Will Wallace.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 4:04:39 PM   
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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 4:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Allied objectives in China:

1.  Drive for the coast no matter what the cost to seize at least one base and begin building the airfield(s).
2.  Once that is accomplished or certain, do what's necessary to secure my flank and LOC.
3.  Address pockets of resistance that represent any kind of threat to the Allies or which deny the Allies a useful base or impact optimum Allied LOC.

So eventually the Allies may well deal with Canton, Hong Kong, etc.  If I determine that it's not worthwhile expanding further north, I'll have a heck of alot of troops to work with, so they'll be put to the best uses possible.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 4:24:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eesh...what an LOC nightmare for the IJA in China. He's in real danger of having large bodies of troops cut off and exterminated.

What are your thoughts about moving in force on the axis Wuchow-Canton-Hong Kong? You've already got the former, it should only take you a handful of days march to get to the intermediate target from there. It would also cut off his powerful blocking forces at Kukong and Kahshien from primary supply via Canton.

Also, Canton and Hong Kong have large numbers of HI. Many Japanese players will selectively increase HI in Hong Kong-capturing that (or blowing it up, whichever) would put a further crimp in his HI reserves and / or war production.

ETA: Canton is a major port city with excellent port accomodations for all but the largest warships. Its port facilities tend to be overlooked by many, but that would be an excellent major port for you to begin dumping supplies, men and material into.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 4:25:40 PM   
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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 5:17:05 PM   
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Eesh...what an LOC nightmare for the IJA in China. He's in real danger of having large bodies of troops cut off and exterminated.

What are your thoughts about moving in force on the axis Wuchow-Canton-Hong Kong? You've already got the former, it should only take you a handful of days march to get to the intermediate target from there. It would also cut off his powerful blocking forces at Kukong and Kahshien from primary supply via Canton.

Also, Canton and Hong Kong have large numbers of HI. Many Japanese players will selectively increase HI in Hong Kong-capturing that (or blowing it up, whichever) would put a further crimp in his HI reserves and / or war production.

ETA: Canton is a major port city with excellent port accomodations for all but the largest warships. Its port facilities tend to be overlooked by many, but that would be an excellent major port for you to begin dumping supplies, men and material into.


At the moment there are 30 Japanese units in both Canton and Hong Kong. I think it will take quite a bit of attention - including prolonged bombing - to soften up those targets and make a seige worthwhile. Before I turn my attention to that activity, I need to get and build coastal bases from which the Allies will engage in strategic bombing of Japan. Foochow, Wenchow, and Ningpo are awfully close to the Home Island.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 5:42:46 PM   
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Before I turn my attention to that activity, I need to get and build coastal bases from which the Allies will engage in strategic bombing of Japan. Foochow, Wenchow, and Ningpo are awfully close to the Home Island.


That's the key to strat bombing IMO. The B-29 is the thouroughbred, but the B-24 is the workhorse. The -29 is a hangar queen in AE. Valauble due to bomb load and defense, but you don't get a lot of long-range missions per month out of one. Getting the -24s in range is really necessary to a successful campaign.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 8:01:30 PM   
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A heckuva big air and naval battle took place near Hong Kong from the 15th through the 17th.  Both sides got bloodied, but the results were so extreme for Japane that Miller has indicated he needs a day to decide whether or not to throw in the towel.  Here's a summary of what happened:

Battle of Hong Kong, 15th:  The Allied CV fleet steamed north through the South China Sea to take station south of Hong Kong.  The CVE TFs were to the west perhaps 200 miles.  Japanese LBA sortied in big numbers and did moderate damage to CVs Constellation and Ticonderoga, but the Japanese lost nearly 300 aircraft.  I ordered the damaged carriers to retire to Samah on Hainan Island and the remaining CV and CVE TFs to combine south of Hong Kong.  I figured the "big battle" might be coming, but felt confident that I had enough carrier CAP to win.

Battle of Hong Kong, 16th:  Miller sends everything he has at my carriers, including his remaining CVs.  Fortunately, he elected to fight at close range (my naval strike aircraft are set at range four to limit "flying off against xAKL TFs).  There were massive, massive, massive, never ending sorties by Japanese LBA and carrier aircraft.  Allied CAP did a commendable job, but against 25,000 zillion trilliion aircraft the CAP eventually got tuckered out and one big strike made it through.  The Japanese scored the following hits:  BB Massachusetts 1T; CV Saratoga 1 B, 1 kamikazee; CL Miami 2 TT; and the following CVEs hit:  Rudyerd Bay 1B; Barnes (sunk) 2B, 2 TT; Shipley Bay 4B; Shamrock Bay 6T (sunk); Sitkoh Bay 1B, 1 T.  Also, a sub put 2 more TT into damaged CV Constellation, so she's really hurting.  Japanese air losses were staggering - probably between 500 and 1,000 aircraft.

The Allies got in one good strike on the 16th, doing the following damage:  CV Amagi 2B; CV Zuikaku 6B 2T; CV Unryu 1B; CV Katsuragi 3B; nine DDs set afire.

Battle of Hong Kong, 17th:   No Japanese strikes make it through the CAP.  I'd guesstimate another 250 aircraft lost today. 

Allied strike aircraft score the following hits:  CV Amagi 4B 1T; CV Katsuragi 4B; CVL Ryujo 3B 2TT; eight DD badly damaged; one CLAA sunk and one moderately damaged.

Japanese Losses:  Three CV (Amagi, Katsuragi, Zuikaku), one CVL (Ryujo); plus some 17 DDs heavily damaged or sunk, one CLAA sunk; one CLAA moderately damaged.  The Japanese lose roughly 1,000 to 1,500 aircraft during the three-day battle.

Allied Losses:  CV Constellation heavily damaged; CV Ticonderoga and Saratoga moderately damaged; two CVE sunk; two CVE heavily damaged; one CVE moderately damaged; one CL heavily damaged; one BB lightly damaged.  The Allies probably lost 200 to 300 aircraft, mostly Avengers and Helldivers piloted by low-experienced men (not the more valuable, at least to me, fighters).

Strategic Impact:  In the real world, the Allies would be in great shape.  It would take months for Japanese air to recover; meanwhile, the Allies can easily replace the aircraft lost, though it will be a month before I can replace the missing flight decks (CV Intrepid, two Brit CVs, and CVL Langley are at Capetown and less than three weeks from being ready to go, and CV Bennington is on the way to Darwin).  If things were somewhat normal, I'd retire to port, replace the lost aircraft, and then go wherever I wanted to (meaning sending lots of supplies and troops by ship to Ningpo and/or Wenchow).  But in AE Scenario Two it seems that Miller will be able to replace all his losses in a few days, so that the danger level will remain about the same.  Anyhow, this was clearly a major Allied victory.

One other Thing:  The Allies still have avoided giving Miller the one thing he really wanted - a chance to send zillions of kamikazees and strike aircraft to overwhelm the Allied fleet.  Or perhaps its game mechanics that's frustrating him.  But the Allies have done well in refusing to send ships places where an ambush would be much easier to arrange and coordinate. (IE, the Allies have remained somewht distant from big airbases and haven't sailed into confined waters between big IJ airfields).

China:  An American Army division arrived at Foochow and found an IJA division plus two other infantry units.  That's going to be tough.  So now I'll turn my hopes on Wenchow and Ningpo, which are lightly held.  Troops are nearing both locations.

Points:  I haven't seen the turn file yet, but before this battle the Japanese lead had fallen to 2,000 points.  At this point it is probably less than 1,000 points.  But it has to be tough mentally on Miller to play on the defensive for many, many months of game time; absorbing almost never-ending defeats with little chance of achieving victory anywhere.  He's done well to fight so hard so long and I understand if he elects to concede.  But he probably won't, the rascall.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 8:35:08 PM   
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RE: Seven Days - 7/27/2010 8:49:16 PM   
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RE: Seven Days - 7/28/2010 4:24:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		John, good question.  I just got the file and found that 26 Japanese aircraft fell to flack during the massive two-day engagement.  The Allies had all their fleet carriers plus CVEs plus escorts - scores of the newest and best and most up-to-date ships; thousands (no exaggeration) of Japanese aircraft were involved in the attack; and according to my report 900 IJ aircraft were lost over two days...the 26 claimed by AA fire is a little anemic.

Moving on to other matters: (1) Miller has elected to continue the game; (2) the points differential is down to just 1,000; (3) no Allied fleet carriers are in danger of sinking barring further damage; (4) Allied carriers will retire to Samah to replace lost aircraft; (5) Allied combat TFs will try to interdict copious Japanese shippng around Hong Kong and Swatow regions; (6) Allied LBA will mainly focus on Hong Kong's airfield and port facilities.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/28/2010 5:19:29 PM   
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John, good question. I just got the file and found that 26 Japanese aircraft fell to flack during the massive two-day engagement. The Allies had all their fleet carriers plus CVEs plus escorts - scores of the newest and best and most up-to-date ships; thousands (no exaggeration) of Japanese aircraft were involved in the attack; and according to my report 900 IJ aircraft were lost over two days...the 26 claimed by AA fire is a little anemic.

Thanks, BTW, did your ships run out of AAA ammo? If not did you have a AE along?
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RE: Seven Days - 7/28/2010 5:27:36 PM   
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RE: Seven Days - 7/28/2010 5:35:06 PM   
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John:  Didn't check ammo status only because I was immediately retiring to port anyway (but I do have two AE with the fleet).

QBall:  Yep.  Miller is a loyal, reliable opponent.  Always has been.  He doesn't have much to fight with now, so he might honorably concede at any particular time, or he may wait to see how the Alied strategic war program works out.

Battle Aftermath:  The Allied carriers retired to Samah without incident, though combat vessels took on and destroyed two or three subs there.  Allied combat TFs tangled with a few odds and ends from Hong Kong to Takao, sinking some stuff not really worth mentioning.  The Allied bombers hit Hong Kong with effect, though the Japanese airforce remains a force to be reckoned with.  No way I can shut down both Hong Kong and Canton at this point.

Allied General Attack on the Front:  Allied troops had reached nearly all objectives along the front, so I gave all units everywhere an attack order in hopes that there might be a few successes.  There were.  The Allies have taken Wenchow (a development of major proportions) plus the city adjacent to Ningpo, which will be targeted next.  So the Allies have what they need - a base on the coast close to the Home Islands.  The effort now turns to consolidating our hold on the base, building the airfield, and protecting the Allied LOC between there and the interior MLR at Changsha.  The Allies will also try to corral and eliminate pockets of resistance, which at present are very big and numerous, so it won't be easy.

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RE: Seven Days - 7/28/2010 5:51:25 PM   
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Miller is a good sport, as in 1945 it is virtually impossible to score a tactical victory against the main body of the US Fleet (or A main body), and all losses are basically permanent. Once the IJN is done for, the game isn't as fun.



Yes, this is why I would like to see greater VP awarded for Japanese sucesses in late war. For example, an Allied carrier lost in 45 should be worth three or four times the VP than one lost in 42. This would give a Japanese player some incentive.

I just read about the Okinawa campaign which got little press due to events in Europe. But once the dust settlled the political and morale costs of the massive losses hit hard.





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RE: Seven Days - 7/28/2010 6:10:42 PM   
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RE: Seven Days - 7/28/2010 6:44:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crsutton
Yes, this is why I would like to see greater VP awarded for Japanese sucesses in late war. For example, an Allied carrier lost in 45 should be worth three or four times the VP than one lost in 42. This would give a Japanese player some incentive.

I just read about the Okinawa campaign which got little press due to events in Europe. But once the dust settlled the political and morale costs of the massive losses hit hard.


Adjusting VP would make sense, but many times players will concede even with the lead when the game becomes hopless in their eyes. Witness the game between Q-Ball and Cuttlefish.

Also, reality as we know it doesn't exist in AE. As best I can tell, the Japanese can maintain a far stronger airforce into 1945 than was possible in the real war. So it's going to be easier/more common for the Japanese to get in licks against the Allied navy. There are oddities affecting and benefiting either side and the net result seems to be a taut, competitive game that begins to veer sharply from history sometime around December 7, 1941...and the divergence increases each day you continue.

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