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Question about naval guns - 9/16/2009 8:17:11 PM

gajdacs zsolt

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Hi!

During the modding of scenario 1 I found a rather interesting thing about the naval guns in the game. The accuracy values of certain guns in relation to others seems rather weird to me.
Example:
The japanese 10cm/50 Type 88 Gun has an accuracy value of 120 (what does this number mean by the way? How did you calculate it?)
while the 10cm/65 Type 98 has 150.

According to navweaps.com the type 98 is a newer weapon, and is one of the best of their guns. But even if I don't take this into account, there is the fact that the Type 98 has a longer barrel. And as far as I know that usually means better accuracy.

Here are a couple more guns with the same "issue":
8cm/40 Type 88 and 8cm/60 Type 98 (160 against 180)
12cm/12 Short gun has the same value (100) as the 12cm/45 3YT ....
12.7/40 T89 AA also has the same value as the 12.7/50s
14cm/40 and 14cm/50s (same value)
20cm/12 and 20cm/50s (same value)

The american side seems a bit better balanced, but there are interesting things there too. I'm not going to list them here, I believe I made my point.

I hope i didn't post this in the wrong place...

Thanks in advance!

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RE: Question about naval guns - 9/16/2009 8:43:07 PM

Roko

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as I understand in witp "accuracy" mean rate of fire,
accuracy 120 /10 = 12 rounds per minute.

for small calibre gun formula is little different

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RE: Question about naval guns - 9/16/2009 9:01:52 PM

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Accuracy is mainly determined by ROF, but there are also some numbers where other things factor into it.

I was more concerned with the penetration values for the big guns to be honest - so I went and modded them!

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RE: Question about naval guns - 9/16/2009 9:40:01 PM

gajdacs zsolt

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Huh...

If it means ROF why is it called accuracy? :O
The more you fire the more accurate you are? That's weird. Though in a way it's true. Still.

Then the higher number is actually better?

How different is this for aircraft MGs and cannons?

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RE: Question about naval guns - 9/17/2009 9:58:08 AM

Roko

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automatic cannons and Mgs :

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2184154&mpage=1&key=&#2184597

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RE: Question about naval guns - 9/18/2009 12:40:07 AM

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Unfortunatly no one cared much about it except modders.

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RE: Question about naval guns - 9/18/2009 3:08:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Zsolo007

Huh...

If it means ROF why is it called accuracy? :O
The more you fire the more accurate you are? That's weird. Though in a way it's true. Still.

Then the higher number is actually better?

How different is this for aircraft MGs and cannons?

There are many labels for data that do not necessarily correspond to the common usage of a word...

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RE: Question about naval guns - 9/18/2009 3:12:25 AM

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Apparently 'historical start' is one of them......

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RE: Question about naval guns - 9/18/2009 5:25:44 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mynok

Apparently 'historical start' is one of them......

quote:

During the modding of scenario 1 I found a rather interesting thing about the naval guns in the game. The accuracy values of certain guns in relation to others seems rather weird to me.
Example:
The japanese 10cm/50 Type 88 Gun has an accuracy value of 120 (wh

US 5"/38 has an accuracy of 200 which is more than some 2-3" guns yet it only has an average rate of fire. This is supposed to be secret formula but IMHO its a fudge factor to try to get the balance right eg the 100mm/65 guns were more accurate AND had a higher rate of fire yet has a lower accuracy. It was tuned on WITP and has not been adjusted to AE. It prob also represents some proximity fuse affect and gunnery control ( which is VERY hard to balance as 41 is not the same as 44 and a BB has superior control to a DD with the same gun) , which make me decide its a fudge factor as there are not enough params to model it eg performance vs air , vs naval , 41 , 45 gun on a DD , gun on a BB. It would be better that this gun upgraded to a better gun in the 43-44 refits showing the gunnery control , BBS could also use the improved gun earlier to show better gunnery control.

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