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RE: Battle of the Banda Sea - 2/28/2010 6:41:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Selayar-Makassar is two hexes, Kendari-Makassar is five hexes, but Kendari might indeed be good enough as a support platform.

You could possibly base a small naval search unit on Selayar for spotting subs/raiders.

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Luganville Done - 3/1/2010 9:50:45 PM   
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Quick update, as there wasn't alot of combat these days, but I am about to uncork another invasion.....

Luganville: Luganville fell. The base is a mess and it will take some clean-up to get it operational, but this is done. THAT is a good thing!

I have said that the New Hebrides will be the last stop on the SW Pac tour. I plan to establish a base at un-occupied Ndeni to extend my search coverage into the Solomons, and I might put a base at Rossel Is for the same purpose. But that's it as far as moves in that direction.

I do need to supress New Caledonia, though, to safely move ships around it, so I am landing at Koumac to establish a base to effectively shut-down Noumea. This will be a major effort, so I need 2 divisions or so to do this. Otherwise, troops will be moving from this theater to the DEI.

Mataram: Size-2 airbase now. A TF that includes Nagato ran over one of my S-boats, sinking it off Pamakasan; the IJN TF is heading EAST, I think to hit Mataram.

As a precaution, the 2 TFs I had unloading are picking up anchor and moving off. They unloaded most of their stuff anyway.

If that avoids a slaughter, a worthwhile sacrifice for that S-boat!

Makassar: We will start landing tommorow, with an Austalian Bde landing at Watampone, and a para drop at Palopo. I should have plenty to take Makassar, but ya never know.

Once Makassar and that corner of Celebes are secured, I anticipate a landing at Balikpapan in 30-60 days; I already have units prepping for that, and as a bonus, I should have some LSTs available for it! (finally, some invasion shipping!)

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RE: Luganville Done - 3/2/2010 2:04:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Q-Ball, just a thought, but why move against a target that is likely to be heavily garrisoned like Balikpapan? Do you need the port or the oil? It would seem wiser to move move on a line from Ambon toward Luzon in order to truly and fully isolate Japan from the DEI oil/fuel. Luzon will be the garrot that totally strangles the life out of Japan.

Establishing a flank protection set of bases like that at Makassar makes some sense, but I do not see the value of the line into eastern Borneo. Let it and all the Japanese stationed there wither like tomatos on a severed vine. I'd strike more directly for the Straits of Luzon as the strategic locus for 43.

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RE: Luganville Done - 3/3/2010 8:49:21 PM   
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Southeast Celebes Campaign: Makassar falls on the 16th, to a 2-division attack. 6th Australian and 1st Marines are ashore, and will advance overland northward toward Pare Pare and Madjene, to establish airbases closer to Balikpapan.

With this landing, the Makassar Strait will be firmy shut, and the way paved for further advances. The next moves are either Balikpapan or Banjermisan or both, either one of which would be real bad for the Empire. If I go Banjermisan, I can then move to Sampit, Kelantin, then Billiton. An airbase at Billiton would end the game, because then Palembang would be closed. No fuel, game over.

Luganville: We are clearing debris to get this operational, ahead of landings at Ndeni and Koumac.

Damage: Although Netties have not sunk much, my capital ships keep getting dinged, to the extent that this is becoming a problem. Yorktown ate a torp, 33 Major Float, so that will mean some Yard time. Repulse, and West Virginia and also banged up. 3 R-Class BBs are already in port repairing a torp hit, along with Colorado. All in all, I have alot BBs in the yard, and only 5 operational now in the DEI. I am also down to 4 CVs. Can't complain too hard, things could be worse.




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RE: Luganville Done - 3/3/2010 9:05:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		You've kept up a high tempo of attacks, so no wonder you're getting a lot of ships damaged. Any chance that at this rate you'll have trouble keeping enough combat ships operational to continue the advance ?

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RE: Luganville Done - 3/3/2010 9:56:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice tempo, Q-ball. What condition did you find the Macassar airfield in? If it's >4 with minimal damage, when will you commence bombing oil centers at Balikpapan and Soerbaja?

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RE: Luganville Done - 3/3/2010 10:28:40 PM   
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Nice tempo, Q-ball. What condition did you find the Macassar airfield in? If it's >4 with minimal damage, when will you commence bombing oil centers at Balikpapan and Soerbaja?


House Rule against City Bombing until 1944.

Balikpapan is effectively closed anyway, because it will be within Beaufort Torp range when I get an air HQ to Makassar (and once I get to Madjene, SBD range). That will prevent tankers from loading there. In fact, I'm better off leaving Balikpapan alone, because I could use a fuel source here if I can take it......

The primary strategic objective is to disrupt/end fuel shipments to Japan. Once that happens, it's only a matter of time. I plan this by either:

1. Advance to Billiton/Toboali; this will close all Fuel shipments except North Borneo.

2. Advance into Phillipines Archipelago; this will pinch all fuel shipments into a narrow band along the Vietnamese coast, where I can raid with CVs occasionally, and saturate with subs

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Sub Strategy - 3/4/2010 7:44:50 PM   
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Really nothing happened this day, other than a Sub seeing a massive tanker TF off Naha, and unfortunately missing.

After a spike of sightings and successful attacks, suddenly it's dropped off again. I think Cuttlefish is cleverly moving his convoy routes to avoid my subs once they pop in an area. I think the other thing he is doing is moving Fuel in a small number of very large convoys; the one I spotted, SS Runner counted at least 6 large tankers.

Now that my torpedos actually work, I should probably spend a little more time on submarines.

I have been putting them in small 2-hex patrol zones; I want to keep them moving so ASW is harder, but smaller zones means the sub can stay on station longer, because it burns less fuel. I tend to leave the short-legged S-Boats and Dutch Boats in one hex, otherwise the sub can't stay on station long. I may pull back more S-Boat to use purely as pickets, watching key passages closer to my bases for any IJN incursions. The S-Boats don't seem to get alot of attacks, probably because of their slow speed (that's my GUESS anyway, but speed of the boat plays a factor, right?)

Anyway, I am also glancing at my boats more to see what patrol zones are successful and which are not. "Success" means the boat is emptying it's torpedo tubes, period. I can't control hit rates. If the boat is burning fuel without firing a torpedo, that is a waste of time. Otherwise, I have aggressive commanders in all boats, and the MAX REACT is always set to "1". I try to stay at least 2 hexes away from a major port. (I lost a couple subs at Singapore when they reacted into the hex and struck a mine).

It's hard to get alot of sinkings, any advice out there is helpful. I will add-up the sinkings so far in another post, but when I did it a few months ago, it was better than I thought it would be.




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RE: Sub Strategy - 3/4/2010 8:29:21 PM   
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I have been putting them in small 2-hex patrol zones; I want to keep them moving so ASW is harder, but smaller zones means the sub can stay on station longer, because it burns less fuel. I tend to leave the short-legged S-Boats and Dutch Boats in one hex, otherwise the sub can't stay on station long. I may pull back more S-Boat to use purely as pickets, watching key passages closer to my bases for any IJN incursions. The S-Boats don't seem to get alot of attacks, probably because of their slow speed (that's my GUESS anyway, but speed of the boat plays a factor, right?)



What gives you this idea that they burn more fuel if given larger patrol zones? Even if all they have is a two hex patrol zone, shouldn't they constantly be moving back an forth, burning up fuel?

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RE: Sub Strategy - 3/4/2010 9:34:39 PM   
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What gives you this idea that they burn more fuel if given larger patrol zones? Even if all they have is a two hex patrol zone, shouldn't they constantly be moving back an forth, burning up fuel?


They only move 1 hex per turn that way, and therefore burn less fuel. Actually, a 3-hex zone burns the same amount. If you put some distance between the zones, though, that burns more fuel. If you set your subs to "Patrol Around Target", the AI will select 3 patrol points and create a large patrol zone. The Sub will burn fuel alot faster this way. Maybe it results in more contacts, because the sub covers more ground?

I would love for someone to develop a set of best practices around setting Sub Patrol patterns, thus the reason for my post.

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RE: Sub Strategy - 3/4/2010 9:37:41 PM   
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Hornet Stung - 3/5/2010 7:08:16 PM   
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Not much action, other than this......

NUTS! Damn IJN subs got another of my Carriers. Hornet is going to need some yard time, IF she makes port.

We need to step-up the ASW, because this is not acceptable.






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RE: Hornet Stung - 3/5/2010 7:31:07 PM   
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RE: Hornet Stung - 3/5/2010 8:15:43 PM   
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RE: Hornet Stung - 3/5/2010 8:42:22 PM   
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RE: Hornet Stung - 3/5/2010 9:18:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Q-Ball, you made my day because I see that Hornet is overdue for her 10/42 upgrades.  Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only player out there using ships three or four or six months past an upgrade date.

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RE: Sub Strategy - 3/5/2010 10:43:56 PM   
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The S-Boats don't seem to get alot of attacks, probably because of their slow speed (that's my GUESS anyway, but speed of the boat plays a factor, right?)

Hi Q-ball,

I'm reticent to park my subs on just one hex, as the 'destination hex' overrides the 'react' feature. I'm wondering if that may have something to do with your less frequent S-boat attacks?

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RE: Sub Strategy - 3/5/2010 11:06:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Michael: I have subs in those choke points. I also have Catalinas on the Cocos Islands; the Search from there reached the strait between Java and Sumatra. Hopefully that's enough.

Canoerebel: Most of the upgrades don't add a whole lot; plus, the DEI is a long way from a decent shipyard. That's one of the biggest problems for the Allies actually. But I tend to let it slide more as the Allies. As Japan, I do them more, but it seems like the Japanese upgrades have more of an impact on AA and Radar.

Chicken: That might be right....no idea. But I get fewer attacks with S-Boats it seems.

I spotted another large Tanker TF off Vigan, but no torpedos launched.

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RE: Sub Strategy - 3/5/2010 11:41:10 PM   
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The S-Boats don't seem to get alot of attacks, probably because of their slow speed (that's my GUESS anyway, but speed of the boat plays a factor, right?)

Hi Q-ball,

I'm reticent to park my subs on just one hex, as the 'destination hex' overrides the 'react' feature. I'm wondering if that may have something to do with your less frequent S-boat attacks?


So instead of setting a destination, set a patrol zone with only the first hex defined.

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RE: Sub Strategy - 3/7/2010 11:17:45 PM   
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No major movements these turns, though that is coming up, as the Allied juggernaught continues to gain steam.

DEI: A force of 4 BBs, including the Nagatos and 2 older BBs, visited Namlea, tangling with some PT boats. The Japanese suffered no losses. An inconsequential combat, but pretty interesting; I think he was attempted to bombard Ambon.

The BBs withdrew to the Northeast, toward Palau (Baledelbop or however it's spelled, form now on I'm just calling it Palau, thank you).

I am planning moves on Sorong and Ternate to secure my flank in this direction. So far, a couple flights over each have found noone home.

Celebes: My units on Southwest Celebes are converging on Pare Pare, a base with good terrain where the Japanese seem to be making a stand. I am sending the Australians to attack, although I really just need to pin them there, so I can move on Balikpapan.

Intel so far reports about 12K troops at Balikpapan, so about Brigade strength with base forces. I am prepping 3 divisions plus tanks, so I should have enough; we will load up in about a week or so, once I have adequate base support in Makassar. I don't want Cuttlefish to build the base before I get there.

Hunter Becomes Hunted: SS Blackfish went on a rampage near Pescadores, sinking 3 SCs. Cuttlefish admits the ASW TF ran out of fuel, making them easy targets. He'll probably watch that now.

Koumac: We will be loading up for Koumace shortly; most of the ships are gathered at Suva, and all our troops are there. Once we are ashore at Koumac, I will shuttle in piles of engineers to build an airbase, to keep Noumea supressed.

Shipping: I have detailed my repair issues earlier; I have several battleships in the yard or on their way at the moment, including 3 still with Pearl Harbor Damage (PA,NV,and TN), WV and CO are also getting fixed, plus 3 R-class BBs and HMS Repulse. Not to mention 3 USN CVs. That's alot of capital ships in the yard.

I am moving the CVEs to the DEI now; we don't need them in the Pacific now that I am winding down there.

I am sending all the eligible APs home to upgrade to APAs.

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RE: Sub Strategy - 3/9/2010 4:59:19 PM   
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Sub Wars: A Japanese sub sank a small Dutch AO off Koepang. One of ours though got a larger AO off Cam Ranh Bay. I just need to sink as many tankers as possible.

Milne Bay: We are loading up to invade Milne Bay. The airstrip there is bombed every day from Port Moresby, and is not operational. Tommorow we will start 4E bombing Rabaul, and I have 100 fighters at Port Moresby to provide LRCAP over the invasion fleet. I plan to cover it also with 2 BBs and alot of cruisers. Unless the IJN is there in strength (I last sighted 4 BBs two days ago moving toward Palau), we should be OK.

This landing at Milne Bay is important to secure my supply line through the Torres Strait. Once Milne is gone, only Lae is a base that can interdict shipping through the strait, and I should be able to keep it suppressed from PM. I am hoping Cuttlefish also thinks I will push closer to Rabaul here, which I will not.

OOB is 32nd Inf Div, 1 Inf Rgt, some tanks, and an Aus Eng Bn.

Koumac: This invasion is also loading up for Koumac. The OOB is 3 NZ Bdes, 2/3 of a Marine Division, and some tanks. Once Koumac is clear, we will build an airbase there, move in some bombers, and bomb Noumea every day until 1945. The US forces will move on to the DEI.

The end of March should see the conclusion of our operations in the SW Pacific. Within 15 days, we will also be moving on Balikpapan and Banjermisan, to establish footholds on Borneo. Canoerebel did this recently, so I am putting a strategic map and show the general thrust.

The SW Pacific campaign should secure our supply lines against all but raiders, from the US West coast to as far as Ambon, Kendari, and Makassar.

Our main move will be along both coasts of Borneo. If we make progress on Borneo, I can't see the Empire surviving that.






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RE: Hornet Stung - 3/9/2010 9:12:59 PM   
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Not much action, other than this......

NUTS! Damn IJN subs got another of my Carriers. Hornet is going to need some yard time, IF she makes port.

We need to step-up the ASW, because this is not acceptable.




Are you running local ASW air patrols from your carrier and escorts? I've found pretty good results in setting all my escorts that have float planes to ASW instead of search (their short legs, esp when inside of an LBA zone, make them superfluous) and setting a good # of my dive bombers to ASW missions as well. The DB's will still attack surface ships if they see them, even when on ASW missions. You can leave them on Naval Attack but set your ASW patrols to 30% or so.

I also have found that my carriers literally need like 8 destroyers to in their TF's to be 'mostly' immune from japanese sub attacks. A 5 or 6 destroyer TF with a carrier and a couple of CA's doesn't seem to do it.

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Massacre at Milne Bay - 3/12/2010 11:01:47 PM   
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Victory Disease has set in at Allied HQ. Obviously things have been going well for me, with an unending series of Allied victories, which is why I was pretty much due to get crushed. I just did.

Milne Bay: I had 2 Invasion Convoys headed to Milne Bay, covered by 2 Surface Combat TFs. Unfortunately, my Surface Combat TF's ended up one hex short of Mline Bay during the night phase; Yamato, Musashi, and friends however did NOT. The Convoy carrying 32nd Inf Div and Tanks ran (thankfully), but the one carrying the 34th Inf Regt and an Australian Eng Bn did NOT. Cuttflefish sank 15 transports, the 3 escorts, and the Aussie Bn is gone. A fragment of the 34th clings to life on one of the two transports that made it. Ach!

To add insult to injury, a Nell put a single torp into Indiana during the day phase; 25 points of major float damage means a trip to the yard, which is now the 6th BB that will be in the yard repairing a torpedo hit, on top of the 2 CVs.

Obviously I was sloppy in setting up my invasion; I should have set the convoys to follow the Surface TFs, and paid the price. Oh well, tip of the hat to Cuttlefish, he made me pay with that sloppiness.

So, Milne Bay is OFF for now. We'll rebuild the 34th and try again in a month.

Koumac: We should hit the beach at Koumac in a couple days, and I don't expect any interference on this one.

Silver Lining: If there is a good thing to getting a bunch of your guys slaughtered, it's that the IJN has committed significant strength to the Solomons. That is a good thing, because IMO the real action is in the DEI. I hope they stay there, because I plan to land at Balikpapan within 15 days, and THAT is alot worse than losing Milne Bay for the Empire.

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RE: Massacre at Milne Bay - 3/12/2010 11:09:18 PM   
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RE: Massacre at Milne Bay - 3/13/2010 3:12:28 PM   
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RE: Massacre at Milne Bay - 3/14/2010 5:13:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		wpurdom: Good question. Overall, the Jan '43 torp changes have made a difference. Some torps still are duds; for example, yesterday, I put 3 torpedos into a large TK off Legaspi, but 2 were HIT, NO EXPLOSION. The third did explode though, and resulted in a FUEL CARGO BURNING message, which from what everyone says, is history for the tanker.

Overall, here are the sub losses for Japan:
SC/PB: 20 ships sunk
AP/AK: 35 sunk
AKL: 9 sunk
TK/AO: 7 sunk
Plus 2 DD, 2 CL, and an SS.

Not sure how good or bad that is frankly. No idea. Any ideas anyone? I do think the TK/AO is understated.

SULUSEA: Thanks, new avator for you BTW.

Combat Report, Mar 6-9, 1943

Although Milne Bay was bad for us, the Koumac landings went fine. Plus, we are landing on Den Passar, very close to Soerbaya. Attached is an update map:





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Down and out at Den Passar - 3/14/2010 3:49:06 PM   
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For the second time in a week, the IJN toasts an Allied invasion convoy. Cuttlefish is getting more clever with his ships, and I am paying the price. Neither blow is fatal, but I will really have to cover that invasion of Balikpapan. Several BBs are headed to the DEI for that; pretty much all the ones I have left!

If you recall readers, I have several BBs in the shop due mostly to lone torp hits. Even so, I have 2 more (Repulse and West Virginia), that are carrying 12 pts. of Major Float damage around, because I don't want to send them to the yard. The biggest problem with a campaign in the DEI, and one you can't really solve, is the lack of a large shipyard any closer than Colombo.

Anyway, we did actually take Den Passar, because it was undefended. If Cuttlefish ever attempted a counterlanding, this would be the place to do it, as the troops that got ashore are exhausted, and there are plenty of nearby Japanese airbasese on Java.




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RE: Massacre at Milne Bay - 3/14/2010 4:34:43 PM   
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Those sub results don't seem to bad, they will get much bigger as you start zeroing on his SLoC. Only so many routes he can take from the Oil Fields to Japan. How many subs have you lost so far?

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RE: Massacre at Milne Bay - 3/14/2010 4:56:46 PM   
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25 xAK/xAKL
2 TK
1 AO
5 PB
4 DMS/E/APD
2 DD
1 CL

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Den Passar Debacle - 3/14/2010 6:54:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's odd that a SCTF would run after a single round of combat. Who was the commander? Perhaps it's time to include more warships in the invasion TF itself?

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