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RE: Luzon - 6/8/2010 8:29:05 PM   
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Luzon: On top of that, we are firmly ashore on Luzon, and marching on Clark with 3 divisions. More are on the way via ship. San Fernando is a operational airbase, and should be a big one fairly shortly.


Kudos on a well-managed and lethal operation.

Cuttlefish hasn't updated his AAR since May 28, and I'm not sure that I blame him.


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RE: Luzon - 6/8/2010 10:33:47 PM   
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The End?: Cuttlefish and I are communicating, but there is a good chance this game is ending. I asked if he wanted to hang it up. Cuttlefish has been a great opponent, very gracious and responsive, but it's no fun to play-on as the Empire when you have no toys. He has offered to keep playing for the record.

As the Allies, though, mustering all those forces just to land troops here and there isn't all that fun either. It's a Naval Game after all, and without an opposing navy kind of not as much fun for me.

The final mitigating circumstance is that I am moving next month, and need more time to paint my house and pack, so that's figuring into it as well.

More to follow...if we do hang it up, I'll write a strategic assessment.

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RE: Luzon - 6/8/2010 11:35:21 PM   
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i hope that there be continuation of this game, i hope there will be some HI invasion ;)

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THE END - 6/9/2010 4:11:10 AM   
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The End: I offered to end the game, and Cuttlefish accepted. We have exchanged passwords, and both of us can now read/post in the other AAR. Hopefully Cuttlefish comes over here.

Cuttlefish is a very good opponent, very gracious and reliable. I would recommend him to anybody.

I will post a strategic assessment tommorow, on how this turned out the way it did. Stay tuned for the wrapup, but this puppy is over.



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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 4:54:04 AM   
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Thanks for the great AAR. I have learned a lot by following both yours and CF's AARs.

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 5:58:44 AM   
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A great game, Q-Ball. I only followed Cuttlefish's AAR as I prefer to read just one side of a fight for fear of subliminal intel leaks, but I can say this game left us JFBs with two words to fear: Darwin and Q-Ball. Remind me not to play you until I am WAAAAY better at AE.

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 9:19:01 AM   
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Well done!

Both of you! Your AAR´s were a fascinating read and I learned much in the process, whether its brilliant
strategies or missed opportunities does not matter.

Thank you!

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 12:36:42 PM   
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STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT:

Thanks everyone for your comments! I wanted to pen a few notes on how this game evolved, and what the key points were. Cuttlefish made some mistakes and also got no breaks at all, and in CV battles sometimes you just need a break.

Cuttlefish was a very good opponent, gracious and responsive. I got all the breaks in this game, so I think he'll do alot better next time; in fact, in his game with erstad, I know he is. Hope this one helped.

Pearl Harbor to mid-1942: The Japanese Expansion overall went OK. Pearl Harbor was an average result (3 BBs sunk, others damaged), not huge for the Empire, but OK. Malaya and Luzon were cleared in a reasonable timeframe, and though we got a few licks in the DEI, Cuttlefish didn't lose any capital ships, so the IJN stayed pretty much intact.

The invasion of Java went slower than it probably should have; I think Cuttlefish paid for this later in losing time to invade Northern Australia. The siege at Noumea did bag alot of Allied troops, but also cost a couple months of time.

Overall, I think Cuttlefish did fine in expansion, he pushed out past historical boundaries. I think he made a couple errors; one was not invading Northern Australia, which was very takeable, and the second was stopping offensive activity after Noumea fell in 8/42. With the IJN intact, he probably should have kept going rather than surrender strategic initiative.

Early 1942 USN: My strategy with the CVs was to make a couple raids, mostly to keep Cuttlefish guessing and off-balance, thinking CVs could lurk around any corner. This is why I brought CVs into the DEI, and the Sea of Okhostsk. I was very fortunate that 2nd one didn't end in disaster though. If it wasn't for KB sinking a small supply convoy on the way to Midway, I would have lost those 2 CVs. That was just bad luck on Cuttlefish's part. In hindsight, that was probably his best chance to gain an advantage. I probably would have delayed the DEI move until 1943 if I was down 2 CVs. That was probably TURNING POINT #1. He successfully got KB past airsearch, and nearly made me pay. The result should have been better for him. As it was, I didn't do a whole lot in mid-1942 with CVs, because ENTERPRISE was under repair for almost 7 months.

DEI: The second turning point was the move into the DEI. I have read through parts of Cuttlefish's AAR, and he did smell something was up over there. My diversion into the Marshalls successfully diverted attention, if it wasn't for that, I think the IJN would have contested the Timor landings in force. As it was, he was within just a handful of days of really hammering it. By the time he DID get over there, it was too late; I had my troops set-up.

I wasn't sure if Cuttlefish knew about the DEI move or not. He had some interested Sub attacks, which convinced him I was up to something.

No doubt gaining a lodgement in the DEI was TURNING POINT #2. It was critical, and probably the most important part in the game. I think Cuttlefish overestimated my airstrength at the time, and how vulnerable I would have been to counterattack. I am confident that he could not have retaken all the bases I took; too many, and my troops were too well prepped. He could have slowed me down more, though, by forcing me to keep troops defensively prepped.

Cuttlefish committed his air assets sparingly to conserve strength. Though I had to constantly assume they were strong and out there, I think Cuttlefish should have launched more air attacks. Even if they failed, it would have forced me to keep CAP up over everything and protect transports better. Toward the end of the game, I was sailing transports without aircover all over the place, because there weren't attempts to get them, except over by Lunga. In particular, the Torres Strait was critical; this was a vital supply line. Some Bettys at Hollandia or Lae would have kept me on my toes, particularly Hollandia, as I wasn't able to bomb that base from Port Moresby.

Banda Sea: This battle was the most important Naval battle of the game. This was lucky break #2 for the Allies; Cuttlefish had a retreat problem with a CV TF running into PTs, and as a result, 4 CVs were slaughtered. This loss tipped the CV balance in favor of the Allies, and allowed me greater freedome of action. Other battles had more actual IJN losses, but this one was the most critical, because it tipped the balance. It was the MIDWAY of this game.

1943 in DEI: I stuck carefully to my strategic objective of cutting fuel shipments to Japan. After looking at Cuttlefish's troops, I was surprised how effective this was; he is VERY low on fuel, much lower than I would have suspected.

The loss at Banda Sea allowed me to move quicker, and speed became our mantra.

Battle of Sulu Sea: This battle, resulting the loss of the entire IJN CV force, was also a turning point. This set-up the final battle, because I didn't have to worry at all about CV intervention.

Thanks everyone for reading!

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 12:59:54 PM   
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Q-Ball - Have followed this from the start. Many congratulations on a game VERY well played. It certainly shows how with some very skillful play and a break or 2 how the Allies can really dominate from quite early in the war.........!

Again. Well done

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 1:25:53 PM   
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Well played.

Cheers,
CC


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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 1:55:51 PM   
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Enjoyed the read, Q-ball. Thanks for bringing us along with you.

Now you can spend more time updating your IJ-based AAR!

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 5:37:01 PM   
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I just think that one of the lessons learned is that the Japanese have to start digging in the moment they see land.
You have to split your power between offense and defence from the very beginning.
If you don´t you will present a large target for the counter.

The Japanese second defensive line was underdeveloped the moment your attack in the DEI´s came.
This drew all forces to that area and this is a siutuation the Japanese can only lose.

Any opinions on this?

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 7:49:18 PM   
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Q-Ball,

My congratulations as well on a game well played. You are a formidable opponent. My thanks to you for taking the time to document your game against CF as well, I know how much effort that takes. I learned a lot following your game, thanks again.

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 8:12:49 PM   
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I've read this AAR from beginning to end now (staying up way too late to do so!) and it's a very entertaining read. It must have been fun to follow both of them. I think Q-Ball's assessment about the major phases and turning points of the game is spot on.

I've said this before over on my AAR but I will repeat it here: I have nothing but praise for Q-Ball's skill and sportsmanship. I would gladly play him again, from either side, and recommend him as an opponent. But bring your A game if you play him, you're going to need it...




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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 8:23:24 PM   
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DEI: The second turning point was the move into the DEI. I have read through parts of Cuttlefish's AAR, and he did smell something was up over there. My diversion into the Marshalls successfully diverted attention, if it wasn't for that, I think the IJN would have contested the Timor landings in force.


It's a pity to see that this superb dual AAR has come to its end. But the best episode of all was the counter-invasion--it was fascinating to read each player's thoughts as to what the other was up to. Both of you gentlemen are to be saluted!


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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 8:45:04 PM   
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Excellent AAR, thanks for writing and congrats on the win!!

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 8:56:34 PM   
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Congratulations! This AAR was an excellent, informative read.

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 9:22:16 PM   
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Well played by both sides and it was an entertaining read. Well done on an excellent victory!

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RE: THE END - 6/9/2010 11:52:51 PM   
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Q-ball,

Many thanks again for the instructive and well-written AAR. I've learned a lot by following your travails, victories and thoughts. I will be involved in an AAR with AW1Steve when he resurfaces from a move, but will plagarize your AAR format most heavily, as it is easy on the reader.

Both you and Cuttlefish must be great opponents. This gaming community is fortunate to have both of you so clearly share your thoughts with us.

BANZ....er...hip hip hooray!

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RE: THE END - 6/10/2010 1:50:13 AM   
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Thanks for all the comments. Sometime after I move, I'll probably try and pick up another game, this time as the Empire, and ask for a 2-way AAR opponent. I think that type of set-up has high entertainment value for the gallery.

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RE: THE END - 6/10/2010 5:42:14 AM   
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Well played, both of you. This AAR has given me a great deal to think over in my own games. As Japan I'm going to be sensitive to a Timor gambit. As the Allies I am concentrating on a feint there since my opponent reads this AAR :-). Thanks for sharing your effort in writing this.

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RE: THE END - 6/10/2010 7:27:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Thanks for all the comments. Sometime after I move, I'll probably try and pick up another game, this time as the Empire, and ask for a 2-way AAR opponent. I think that type of set-up has high entertainment value for the gallery.


Hi Q-Ball,

Good luck with the move.

Not sure if i'll have time but if and when you decide to get another game going, and you'd be willing to play against little old me, then let me know and we can see if we can get things going!

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RE: THE END - 6/14/2010 7:52:09 PM   
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Q-Ball,

I just returned from my three-week sabbatical to find that your game came to a mutually agreed upon conclusion.  Congrats on a tremendous victory against a capable and articulate opponent.  It was a real pleasure viewing a contest pitting to gentlemen of the first caliber. 

Canoerebel

P.S.  The observation made by several readers that the war effectively ended with your highly successful invasion of the DEI in late '42 was accurate.

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RE: THE END - 6/14/2010 7:54:55 PM   
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Q-Ball, I skimmed the last few pages of your AAR and noted that you are moving?  Where to?  Hopefully to the sunny south where you can tan those pasty white-Yankee legs and arms!

I think Miller and I will wind up our game in the next three or four months given our current pace (we're in August '44 at the moment).  So, if you're looking for an opponent around that time, I could be available and would enjoy taking you on.


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RE: THE END - 6/14/2010 8:19:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Q-Ball, I skimmed the last few pages of your AAR and noted that you are moving?  Where to?  Hopefully to the sunny south where you can tan those pasty white-Yankee legs and arms!

I think Miller and I will wind up our game in the next three or four months given our current pace (we're in August '44 at the moment).  So, if you're looking for an opponent around that time, I could be available and would enjoy taking you on.


Possibly, we'll see. I would love to play you.

Only moving 5 miles north; better schools up there. No tan potential, though it's closer to the lake!


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RE: THE END - 6/15/2010 11:21:17 AM   
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Well played Q-Ball, i enjoyed reading your posts, they were very informative and easy to read, too bad it is already over

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