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Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different War ... - 10/24/2009 10:58:14 AM   
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Hello Dear all!

I thought you might be interested in the Allied side developments of the action for the alternate WNT mod as well. I have to point out first that this is my first full map PBEM ever, I've mostly played partial map scenarios in PBEM before.
On the other hand this scenario was too tempting not to give it a try. So here is the allied side, any positive critics, suggestions are welcome.

Unfortunately time is a limitation for me, so I'll try to do weekly updates.

We are at Dec 13 now, so we are almost over with the first week.

You have to know that the naval force allocations are a bit different from the historical campaign.
I have Lexington class battlecruiser () in Pearl together with USS Yorktown as well as the usual bunch of BBs. As a surplus I have North Carolina (this time with 8x16" guns) and Salem (sister to historical Wichita) and Mississippi.

To the south I have Saratoga as a carrier with a battlecruiser sister, and of course Enterprise in her usual position southwest of Pearl. Lexington is on a refit in SF (fitted out with 5"/38s and cut down superstructure etc.) together with New Mexico (small damage patchup). In Bremerton I have the 4th Colorado class BB, USS Washington BB-47 under refit (15 sys damage). West of SF I have task force with Hornet (this time sister to Wasp) and South Dakota (as historical but with Mark 7 50 caliberlenght guns).

Near Java I have the battlecruiser De Zeven Provincien with a few DDs. South of SIngapore there is Jellicoe and Howe with their escorts. These two are currently my most valuable gunships as bot has AA in excess of 1000 and both of them are experienced. Not to mention that they are fast and well armed with 8 and 9 15" guns respectively.

South of Colombo I have Illustrious and Beatty (sister to Jellicoe). This group is moving to Sorabaja.
I have some CAs and CLs scattered around in DEI and Philippines plus Warspite and three cruisers and Hermes in Trincomalee.

Now on the first day I got the PH strike as usual, it was with 4 carriers only (we had an abort and since the strike was relatively light, my opponent offered to strike only with 2/3 of power now). I've lost West Virginia to 4 torps but from the other ships only 3 BBs (Nevada, Arizona, Maryland) suffered moderate damage and unfortunately Yorktown received 4 bombs and a fish so she is out for a while. Fortunately Constitution did not receive damage. In the PI Juan bombed Manila and my subs, resulting in 8 damaged boats. The rest is going north close to Japan to interdict the shipping lanes.

Otherwise the first days were pretty historical, with al ot of merchant shipping falling to Japanese air and subs!

Startegy: as I have a lot more fighting power left I'll try to give Juan a run for his money even in the early month. In 1942 alone I get 4 Essex class CVs and all modern BBs up to and including New Jersey plus I have a lot more British power. So I'm moving my US Navy ships to the South Pacific/Solomons region where I'll have 4 CVs supported by 2 fast BBs, 3-4 older slow BBs plus two huge BCs and a bunch of CAs and CLs soon (after Lexington is repaired and Louisiana arrives). It's quite a substantial force. I plan to support them out of Sydney where I can do their 1942/1 refits as well.

In the DEI I'll hold on to Java, so all British naval forces diverted there, except Warspite and Hermes plus a few cruisers that will guard the Indian ocean should Juan intrude there.

Dec-7-13 1941

In the PI I evacuated everything I could with disastrous consequences as Juan's CVLs were roaming around and mopping a lot of shipping, including USS Phoenix. Then I made an attack on his landing forces around Palawan with Wichita and an Omaha class CL in the lead. Unfortunately instead of transports I ran into two of his CAs, Ibuki and Iwaki. In a long, hard fight both my cruisers got shredded by numerous 8" hits and both were sunk in the end. They put up a valiant fight and landed a lot of hist but I was unlucky - most of my 8" hits that had the chance to penetrate at all were at medium range where they glanced of the deck armor of the enemy CAs.

Before this encounter my old British DDs managed to sunk by torps one of the DDs of this enemy TF, ironically they did more damage then my relatively modern CA.

USS Houston was coming after my ships to back them up but arrived too late so I diverted her to disrupt the landings at Miri/Brunei. I got lucky and dispatched 4 xAKs. On the way back though his CVLs again hit - Houston managed to fight off a few Kates but the Vals scored hard on her. One day later she went down in the second strike.

We had an encounter near Balikpapan as well where he struck with a Kongo and two CAs and my Omaha class CL and four stacker DDs did not stand a chance. I dispatched in pursuit my Force Z with Jellicoe and Howe plus the dutch BC force (this time with dutch CLs). I could not catch the invaders but I got quite a few Kate strikes. Too bad for Juan, Howe has the highest AA rating from all of my ships and I could down at least 3, probably 4 Kates.

In the Pacific I could track KB for al ong time thanks to positioning my Catalinas everywhere. Strangely enough it seems Juan split his heavy escorts off KB that are heading back to Japan. The rest of KB was in pursuit after Enterprise to the south. Now the Saratoga and Big E TFs will soon meet in the Solomons.

Hornet TF, a tanker force from SF, and a big surface force under Adm Shafroth with Tennessee, Oklahoma and Constitution and escorts plus a tanker TF are in trail of them. I'm also dispatching S class subs to Dutch Harbor to operate from there, obviously with AS support and supplies/fuel in trail.



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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/24/2009 1:09:59 PM   
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Disposition of Battleship Row on 7th Dec. The carrier and the two fast ships were berthed north of Ford Island.





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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/24/2009 3:41:28 PM   
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14th Dec: KB was detected around Canton Island, so I've moved a squad of Catalinas to Pago Pago to track them. I have to be careful with my surface fleet and Hornet TF, not tu walk in Juan's trap.

Submarine fleet is deployed south of Japan mainland:



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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/24/2009 10:34:58 PM   
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14th December

Not too much happened, Japanese landed at a few bases on New Guinea's northern side. KB is still spotted and now heading to East-North-East. WOnder how much fuel does he have with them.

A small carrier-battleship force is coming south near Tarakan so I guess it's either a raid again on Balikpapan or even further south. I retreated my surfaces forces though.

North Carolina is heading back to Alamaeda for a full repair, she still has 28 flooding damage (permanent).

I have my Saratoga-Enterprise TFs ready in the south, I'm thinking about moving them to the DEI to get at the small japanese CVs. Illustrious with her heavy escort (beatty) is also nearly at Soerabaja so I have quite a substantial naval force waiting there.

Lot of sub minelayer TFs are underway, main targets are Truk and KamRanh bay.


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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/25/2009 9:50:26 PM   
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Dec 16-17

No big action, KB finally turned back to the west, causing some minor heart attacks before doing so. Also got the North Carolina and Salem out of Pearl, steaming back to SF. In the SOuth my Aussie cruisers caught a few xAKLs while doing minor landing.

Strategic planning: some big convoys are coming south near Jolo, I guess he is going for Tarakan or Balikpapan. Dispatched my heavy British/Dutch forces out of Soerabaja to catch those later on. Saratoga and Enterprise TFs are steaming from the Coral Sea to DEI to act as a buckup if necessary.

Also I'm reinforcing Port Moresby with an aussie Inf. Div (delivered by Queen Elizabeth alone - she is freakin' fast at 28 knots cruising not to mention that she could take a lot of supplies next to the div).Here she is:



Also the 44th Gurkhas are coming down from Aden (originally intended for Singers).

Last turn some Tojos showed up in CHina and some J2 Mikes gave some hot moments for my B-17s in the Philippines and even shot one down! GOtte bring those P-38Es out of SF sooner or later...






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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/25/2009 10:33:26 PM   
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Are you going to use the QE to unload in Port Moresby ? It's probably going to take forever to get her unloaded there. 

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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/25/2009 10:55:24 PM   
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True it's a 2 sized port but atm I don't need her elswhere. It was more of an experiment, so will see.

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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/26/2009 8:41:50 AM   
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Well, the smallest port that could actually dock the QE is a size 6, so you won't be able to dock her there. Even if you could, I'd take over 3 weeks to get her unloaded completely and that number is only going to go way up if you can't dock her, so better to send her to Sydney and from there load the troops on some smaller xAP.

(Take a look at the pages 109 and 125 of the manual, some of the most important ones out there)

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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/26/2009 10:23:11 AM   
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Thanks for the tip! ;) probably will do that or find a workaround somehow. So it seems that the game now values smaller transports a lot more than WitP did.

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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/26/2009 11:42:27 AM   
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Storm looming on the horizon in DEI. Actually I'm not yet sure what is he going after, but it's either Balikpapan or Manado/Ternate. Will see, I've positioned my TFs so that they can intercept both ways for a degree. Also Saratoga and Enterprise TFs are steaming northwest at full speed at Horn island (hoping for no sub attacks as TBDs spotted shadows in the shallow water). Also something is on the move southwards at New Guinea, I have my Aussie cruisers there to repel while reinforcements are coming in from the east (Constitution+CAs, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Hornet+South Dakota).



His subs are really deadly, my heart sunk when I saw North Carolina, that I've just thought is out of the danger zone in the middle of the ocean, taking two 53cm fish....fortunately it was a massive FOW as she received no additional damage, but now I'm making her route a bit different and putting back her at full speed - will see but fingers crosses!


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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/26/2009 6:45:49 PM   
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So it seems I have bad luck...after masterfully evading the first sub attack and changing direction and speed NC ran into another pack of subs hunting her and this time the torpedoes won. 3 hits from 53 cm Type 95 torpedoes sealed her fate and after2 hours she finally sank into the deep blue ocean.



In the DEI it seems he went after Manado/Ternate. Unfortunately, I don't know why, the Jellicoe/Howe TF went ahead, the other two split off (I though because they were refueling but no ops points was shown)...so strange. Anyways I'm in a perfect position to intercept his Manado landing force. Also Sara and BigE are pretty close by from the south, in the next turn they can make their presence felt.




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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/26/2009 8:50:29 PM   
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And SHOWTIME!!!!! We had an awesome surface engagement with Howe/Jellicoe and DDs going up against Hyuga/Ise and DDs in a daylight surface combat.

COmbat started out with both sides closing the range and opening up at long range. Amazingly Hyuga put two 14" shells int two of my DDs effectively crippling them (one was at a stunning 31kyards!!!). Then the two Japanese BBs concentrated on Jellicoe hitting her multiple times on her belt (no penetration). Actually the same happened in return on Hyuga. Battleranges were 12-13-14kyards, but no penetration recorded until Howe's Mark II 15"/50 landed a hit that penetrated into the bowels of Hyuga. Jellicoe's much older Mark I 15"/42s were harmless though. Hyuga got one more belt penetration while Jellicoe had it's superstructure peppered. Adm. Yamamoto (not Isoroku but the one in charge) decided he had had enough and opened the range. In the end Howe landed two hits at 27kards that penetrated Hyuga's decks and caused a lot of damage.

Finally a surface combat in Witp/AE that is close to realism in rnages, gun usage (so main guns dominated) and penetrations!!!! BZ Juan when you will read this ;).

On retreat I got a strike by 9 Kates from Juan's CVLs, and 3 impacts were reported on Jellicoe's side (2 of them turned out to be FOW). The Sea Hurricanes giving LRCAP could only down one or two of the escorting Claudes but the Zeros got them easily.

I decided to retreat my other forces as B-17 attacks from PI revealed Tosa and Kaga being there as well. My USN CVs are moving in for a kill though as hopefully Juan will give chase with is CVLs.

On a more sad note Hong Kong fell today as well as Kuching.





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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/27/2009 8:00:20 PM   
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Now disaster happened, so one learns a lot in a full map game. I trusted my intel too much and was too over eager to commit to battle. What happened is that out of nowhere I had Sara and Big E under attack from 50+ Kates and a lot of Vals. First I had a dinky little strike from the CVLs but then came this full blown force (Juan actually confirmed it was part of KB, he split it off when I saw the surface combatants splitting).

So in a powerful, coordinated strike both of my TFs were hit hard in multiple turns, while in return I had my SBDs going after his CVLs and scoring two thousand pounder hits, but nothing else, the rest of my SBDs attacked the landing forces with modest results...Enterprise went down immediately after eating 4 fish and and a bomb, Sara and COnstellation lasted one day longer and succumbed only after the final bomb attacks. In my desperation now I've turned the remaining CAs under Adm. Halsey north to get into a surface combat, will see the results...

RN TFs went back to SOerabaja, now waiting their turns to refuel. Also I'm evacuating fuel from Tarakan and Palembang now with whatever tankers I can grab. Good news is that Lexington has nearly all her critical damage repaired, as well as New Mexico and Mississippi. Yorktown's damage levels are getting acceptable but I don't know if I can risk a transit....though I've run several transport TFs through the waters where NC sunk with no sub contact.


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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 10/30/2009 9:33:29 AM   
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My stunt very nearly paid off but in the end I was rudely punished. What happened is that I've turned my escorts, including 4 CAs, so that they will go north on the one and only route near dot base Mangole (east of Celebes).There is a channel one depwater hex wide only so I could be fairly sure that if juan choose to chase my ships with his carriers he has to transit right there. And I finally got it right and got an intercept! First I went extatic to see he only has 2 CLs 2 modern and 2 old DDs in escort to Akagi and Amagi but in the very next second my heart sunk again as both forces choose to disengage (despite Halsey in the lead for my TF...). So I missed out on a big opportunity and I payed the price, the return airstrikes annihilated my CAs, sending two to the bottom and the other two heavily damaged (Portland has rather low float and engine damage but has 99 fire...).



To the west there are continous airstrikes against my troops in Malaya and a lot of sub action, mainly against my merchants. I even had a midged sub penetrating to Sidney harbor and blowing up a merchant...


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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 11/4/2009 1:12:57 PM   
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There was a slight lull in the action on the Allied side, though the Japanese were busy going forward on land and also on sea. Northern PI is already under Japanese control, with their troops banging on Manila's door and also they made good progress in the Rabaul /New Guinea area. I realized I have to bring Port Moresby up to a level 2 port in order to have any chance of shipping more troops there.

KB (or at least part of it) made a surprise attack on Numea where they caught a troop convoy. Fortunately the ships already unloaded 90% of their stuff and the jap pilots had a real bad day, they've only scored a few hits, most of them with bombs so I've onlyl ost one smaller AP and received damage on USS Pensacola.

The remaining escorts from the murdered CV TFs are heading to Townsville. In the meantime the ships coming down from PH have arrived to Sydney and will start smal lrefits and in some days their upgrades.

On am ore positive note I've managed to score some hits on his subs around Hawaii with the agressive use of my DDs in ASW groups with patrol areas. Low exp. still prevents me from a clean kill, but at least the subs are harrased and have to keep down. I've only lost one tanker since then to jab sub attacks.

Also my fighters in the PI are getting better and better, giving a run for their money of the IJA a/c (even for the new Mike).

The next big showdown will be in southern Malaya on land as he is closing on on Singapore.

So the question remains what shall I do with my forces (mostly RN) at Soerabaja and my USN TFs in Sydney. I'm too weak to challange him in the face of KB.


On the supply side of the things I've dispatched a lot of Aks and TKs to the Eastern US so I'll load up a huge amount of fual and suppy to deliver to the south.


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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 11/4/2009 2:31:19 PM   
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On the last day of year 1941 I've lost another two tankers to a wolfpack of submarines. The tankers were again halfway through between the West Coast and Hawaii, so a submarine black hole exists there currently. Wil lsend some of my ASW TFs there, though I'd badly need a CVE or two to better cover the area.

It's really difficult to swallow jap submarine success while my boats are constantly scoring, yet without any damage due to no explosions...

Also we had our first real aircombat where I've actually won and pushed aside the CAP at the cost of one Chinese copy of a P-40...




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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 11/6/2009 8:21:05 AM   
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1-2 January 1942

Not too much important action but a lot of micromanagement these days.

First start of with the good news. I subs are getting more and more aggressive and initiating a lot of action, though due to faulty torpedoes most of these happens with guns or on the surface when 1 torpedo out of two spreads does work.

But I've got lucky and USS Swordfish, patrolling south of Okinawa tumbled upon a juicy fat oiler. She fired a salvo of 6 Mk 14s and guess what, not only one but two clean hits on the target!!!



I've a lot of supplies and new troops and air groups coming in these days and also 4 large convoys will soon reach the east coast to bring out stuff from the supply damp.

On the whole the situation is not good but could be worse. The IJA steamrollers is getting nearer and nearer to Singapore and also the PI is in it's last hour. When these two fall Juan will have most of his forces freed up to go after a new strategy.

Here are the major ship losses so far. For the Japanese side pls check the other AAR to get a FOW less view.



After ship losses let's see ship reincarnations :).

I have most of my capital ships getting their 1/42 refits that adds radar and 20mm guns, both are a real welcome addition. In some cases I went further and opted for a full rebuild, that was mistakenly allowed by a loophole (Colorado class rebuild has no time delay by mistake). I've discussed this with Juan and he allowed me to go forward with it (it's close to the historical California/Tennessee/Colorado rebuild but with less sophisticated electronics and much lesser AA.

So to give you some teaser here they go:



Two options to choose for my sole remaining huge battlecruiser:







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RE: Battleship fetish - the Allied side of A Different ... - 11/18/2009 12:35:50 PM   
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The game is progressing along nicely but bot Juan and me are a bit busy these days, Juan is especially so as he is working on all the enhanced mods.

Anyway we are now at 17th January so I'll try to put some update here for both land and sea.

Let's start it out with the IO area: I have a lot of ships moved from the DEI to Colombo and I've a few of them under repair, for example jellicoe which is progressing very well and I may have her back by the end of February or even earlier. A lot of supply convoys are going in and out of map areas, bringing in supply, fuel, some Hurricanes and a few troops from Aden. I have yet to decide where to send those but Rangoon seems to be a good candidates as the Japanes army is really at the doorsteps.

I've also got some British subs now doing patrol around the N exit of Malacca straight. The landwar is in really bad shape with the IJA closing on Rnagoon (despite the valiant and really good results of the flying tigers and my Bleinheims) . Manila was just lost last turn so for the PI is basically over (I managed to evacuate all B-17s but I can nt change the fighter squads to non restricted). Also Singapore has it's days counted now.

DEI: decided to evacuate from there, especially the fuel from Palembang, so I'm running tankers 24/7 to bring out as much fuel as I can while his Bettys and nells are engaged in China and the PI (mostly against land targets). I've also decided to bring force X (Indomitable, Beatty and Howe) back to Colombo, where together with Hermes, Warspite and soon to be arriving Repulse and 3 CAs 2 modern CLs I'll have a decent force under the cover of some Hurricanes (I know it's not too much in the face of a full KB but against anything less they are really well prepared should he decide to go after the IO).

Also I have a lot of dutch subs deployed north of New Guinea and also around the Truk area, now rebased to Sydney.

Southern Pacific: I'm concentrating my forces here. In Sydney I have the Hornet group with South Dakota and a palletload of cruisers and DDs, plus Oklahoma, Tennessee and Constellation soon back from refit. Also coming down from SF is the Lexington Group with Mississippi and the refitted (bulged) Washington and another ton of cruisers and destroyers. They are also bringing in fast tanker support in the form of two Cimarrons. A huge replenishment convoy is unloading at Noume with 3 base forces, and arty unit and 2 Rgts + a lot of supplies and fuel. Hordes of IJN I-boats tried to hunt them down but effective ASW measures countered the attacks without loss so far, with damaging at least two boats severly. In Brisbane I've also received two P-40E squads. Townsville has fuel from Palembang and my remaining aussie cruisers there. All in all it will be a decent protection.

Mid-Pac: Nothing much here, PH is slowly repairing the ships, with Yorktown still 4 month to go but getting afster as the smaller ships go out and free up the yard.




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