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RE: Exploits - 11/10/2009 11:24:48 PM

paulderynck

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Italy liberates baltic states ( Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia), so it can use them as another home country if italy gets counquered.

In our games we veto'ed it out as too gamey (so italy cannot liberate the baltic states).

Yes that is an awful one. The newest rules set will not allow a move of the new home country of a major to a minor that was not aligned in 1939. This would also preclude Yugo as an Italian home country. It would not preclude the Netherlands having France as a home country, but a second change is that when a major power or minor country no longer controls its own or any home country aligned prior to 1939, it has been completely conquered.

I strongly recommend Steve add those to MWIF.

It is difficult to hit a target that is constantly moving.

I feel your pain.

Again, if the players agreed beforehand to abide by the new rule, nothing in the code would need to change. I don't know how difficult it would be to make the code enforce the recommended change. I don't even know how difficult it would be to check the code to see what would need modfication.

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RE: Exploits - 11/10/2009 11:28:01 PM

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Limiting lend lease between cooperating country is another.

Could you expand on what the exploit there is? I don't see a huge problem with A lending to B and B lending to C and C lending to A. Or do you mean something else?

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RE: Exploits - 11/11/2009 12:02:38 AM

Shannon V. OKeets

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Limiting lend lease between cooperating country is another.

Could you expand on what the exploit there is? I don't see a huge problem with A lending to B and B lending to C and C lending to A. Or do you mean something else?

Patrice doesn't like heavy lending between the CW and France in 1939 and 1940. Usually this is done to drain every possible advantage from the French before France falls but it can also work in reverse, where the CW pours resources into France early. Some kind of "gearing limits" for trade agreemtn amounts would seem to be the solution - not that I have any intention of coding this for the first release.

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RE: Exploits - 11/11/2009 12:37:13 AM

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Limiting lend lease between cooperating country is another.

Could you expand on what the exploit there is? I don't see a huge problem with A lending to B and B lending to C and C lending to A. Or do you mean something else?

I was aluding to the rule that was published in the house of rules in the 2008 annual. This is a rule that limits lend lease of BP + RP to an amount linked to what you produced last turn. 50% IIRC. I don't remember the specifics, but that is the idea.

As Steve said, I don't like Germany filling in the Italian factories, and Italy in return lending ALL its production to Germany (producing 0 BP of Italian units), as I already saw once. same for CW / France. I think that no sane governement would have done this at any moment during any war, so I think that it is good if the game prevents that.

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RE: Exploits - 11/11/2009 2:39:12 AM

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I have a question about the new rule in the Annual. It says you can only lend up to 50% of your previous turn's production total. A rules lawyer could enforce this: Free France would thus never be able to loan resources it controls to the other Allies until it has it's own production. ?

We decided to skip that possibility in the Free French case.

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RE: Exploits - 11/11/2009 9:06:26 AM

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I have a question about the new rule in the Annual. It says you can only lend up to 50% of your previous turn's production total. A rules lawyer could enforce this: Free France would thus never be able to loan resources it controls to the other Allies until it has it's own production. ?

We decided to skip that possibility in the Free French case.

Yes, this is it.
I think that it makes sense in both ways.

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RE: Exploits - 11/11/2009 9:12:25 AM

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Limiting lend lease between cooperating country is another.

Could you expand on what the exploit there is? I don't see a huge problem with A lending to B and B lending to C and C lending to A. Or do you mean something else?

I was aluding to the rule that was published in the house of rules in the 2008 annual. This is a rule that limits lend lease of BP + RP to an amount linked to what you produced last turn. 50% IIRC. I don't remember the specifics, but that is the idea.

As Steve said, I don't like Germany filling in the Italian factories, and Italy in return lending ALL its production to Germany (producing 0 BP of Italian units), as I already saw once. same for CW / France. I think that no sane governement would have done this at any moment during any war, so I think that it is good if the game prevents that.

I can see this helping when Italy promises 1000 BPs to Germany the turn she knows she's likely to be conquered. Maybe just have it for BPs?

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