Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Lanconic

The trigger for using German planes is roughly 500 spare German planes stockpiled.

My experience with German production is that ENGINES are the bottleneck, not parts.
I always have enough parts. Sorry to dispute, and not to demean your effort.

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

zip it up, the forum allows zipped files

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I'm still getting "unsupported", it only accepts gif, txt and jpg.

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ORIGINAL: Tuk

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1 capacity of assembly line AFAC + 1 completed parts of assembly type CFAC + 1/2/4 completed engine of assembly type EFAC + 1 day = 1 new aircraft.

I understand this would be the top level of manufacturing, but I wonder how ALUM, RUBBER, BBFAC, would effect the above. The reduction of ALUM factories should reduce the raw material entering the AFAC's. Additionally, ARM & RAIL might also enter into the equation.
I just remembered, in the old manual it is mentioned that bombing a RAIL will lower the output of all the surrounding factories. This is probably done by not adding the factory's output to the total pool if the RAIL is inoperatable.

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I'm wondering if there is some advantage to be gained in excess assembly/engine production capacity relative to parts, whether I've misunderstood the relation of categories, or perhaps it's just another example of the mythical efficiency of nazi economy. Perhaps also, there is away to convert one category to another, eg assembly lines to parts production.

IMHO: The advantage would be a stockpile to offset Allied bombing. If an EFAC(1) factory is damaged to 60% it will be shut down for 11 days. 1 point repair/day until damage <50%. Then it would go back to producing. If there was a stockpile of 11 engines then there is not a disruption to production -- at this level.

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ORIGINAL: Tuk

Not quite sure what you're refering to here, Sir Humph. In a modernised version of the game engine you could implement a wide range of realism options but with regard to the existing game I have to say I find it disappointing that many of the questions I put in the opening post of this thread have gone unanswered. They deal with issues that a player has to understand if their in game decisions are to have anything like their desired effects. The questions arise because an explanation of production is omited from the manual and game interface and no adequate substitute for a manual is currently to be found on this forum.

I need answers to these questions to play the game so I'll put them again-

Is this formula correct?

1 capacity of assembly line + 1 completed parts of assembly type (1 parts capacity produces 1 parts unit) + 1/2/4 completed engine of assembly type (1 engine capacity produces 1 engine unit) + 1 day = 1 new aircraft.

Germany begins with no active ME 262 capacity in any category, yet a few days after changing some capacity it has gained a stockpile of parts/engines, has an "actual" production of 2 parts and with still no active assemblies, has ME 262 production requirements. What does this mean?
 
What do the headings in the requirements screen mean? (requirements/planned/actual/stockpile)
I ask the above because I can not make head nor tale of them. I do not understand how the planned and actual capacity relates (or should relate) to the capacity assigned to a given product. For example, I found in one case that the combined planned/actual capacity for one product was about double the capacity I'd asigned to it. Further, I don't understand how a gross undersupply of a product can leave me with a stockpile of the under supplied product.

Without a description of how the game should work, we players cannot determine whether or not it actually does work. Really, the manual needs updating with a production chapter so players don't have to spend hours trawling threads for scraps of often unconfirmed, implied information.

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

I mean, not trying to be smart, but most of your questions weren't answered, because, they didn't need answers

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
requirements/planned/actual/stockpile

what you need/what you have set to build/what you are building/how many built, that are not used for something yet

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ORIGINAL: Tuk

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

I mean, not trying to be smart, but most of your questions weren't answered, because, they didn't need answers

Perhaps you could put yourself in the shoes of someone who has not been playing and working on this game since its predecessors came out. It's also worth remembering that without clarification, the same thing can often be understood in a number of ways. I've learned that taking my understanding of ambiguous things for granted without verifying what the author meant often comes back to bite me in the backside.
no hassle mate, just got home from work when I posted, hope I was able to answer some of your questions, with out being to smartaleck about it

LOL, you may be asking the wrong guy, nobody understands half of what I say, one reason I got so many posts, I got to keep reexplaining what I was trying to say

Your subsequent information demonstrates that there is much more going on than the simple equation I presented or the information buried in not so often accessed screens like that for changing an assembly line. If it all seems a waste of your time and if it's any consolation, in aswering these questions you have in fact saved a lot of mine!

but as I was trying to say, there is no, A=B, so we can't give you the answers you want, Gary never just does, something simple, when he can make it complex

Thank you for doing so, I now have most of what I needed to know, though for your other customers I reitrerate that snippets of information all over a large forum is no substitute for a chapter on production in the manual.

I don't think it would be allowed for me to say what I think about the manual, but I will say, that I asked if I could include the "old" manuals with the game also, but that is against the rules, if that link is still good up on top, it may be worth it to grab them, just for a background on how the old game worked

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
requirements/planned/actual/stockpile

what you need/what you have set to build/what you are building/how many built, that are not used for something yet

Here's a great example of ambiguity, some of which I think I have figured out in much longer than it would have taken me to read it in a manual.

'planned' appears to include 'actual', also delayed capacity, is that right?
I asked/talked, I wanted the delay, offline factories to not show up, Harley took them out, so now the page should show, what is needed and what is planned, based on what is on the map

so, what is needed is what is needed
planned is what is set up, either waiting for delay to end, or in use
Actual is what is getting built (if all the rolls are made)
stockpile is what is left over

How, then, is the discrepency between the following production figures in the at start 1943 campaign accounted for?

There are 37 active Assembly lines, none damaged more than 36% (only two), needing 109 Parts, but production shows only 27 parts required.
can you get me some screenshots ? I am only guessing now
I would say here, you have 27 Frames being built, you have more parts being built then what is needed (you NEED 27 parts, to complete the frames you are building today (if you have the engines)
There are 34 parts in both 'actual' and 'planned' and an online capacity for 34, indicating they are all operating at 100% efficiency.
There are 72 capacity producing DB 605A engines, which is reflected in the same 'actual' figure, more than the 61 required, so this isn't the bottleneck.

Is the game calculating a reduction of 10 parts from its stockpile of 22 to arrive at its 'required' figure of 27 or are rail damage and other factors affecting demand?
I don't think so, it is showing you best case, this is what you should need, if everything falls into place today, rail/bombing,what not, takes effect afterward (you don't know if the train made it though Hamm last night/early this morning, or was held up due to the BC raid last night)

and even here, there are going to be things that are going to screw up your best laid plans to know what is going on

if you have parts in stock, they going to get used someday (hopefully)

and if I am right on you needing 27 for the frames, you going to be building up the stock, each day, now, say a big raid comes in and hits one of your Parts plant, all of a sudden, you are down 5 or 6 parts a day, do you make a major change someplace to get those parts back into production, do you wait on the factory to repair ?

you got parts in stock, also you may be making more then you need already, for this plane

remember, the game is not set up, so everything is set up 100% across the board, it is set up for the player or the AI to make the changes they want/need, and somebody on the outside, may have evil ideas about ruining your plans

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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

There's something more i still don't understand.

How is working the factory upgrade?
I mean, when a newer model comes into production (let's say the F190A-7/8 over the A5/6) are the factories producing the older model auto-upgrading or do i need to manually re-convert them all, thus losing lots of days?
And if they do auto-upgrade, thing that i surely hope, what is the fate of the engine factories? Let's say the 109G10 comes into production. If the 109G6 assembly lines auto-upgrade to the newer model, what is the fate of those lines who were producing the DB605A? will they autoupgrade too? will i have to change them manually?

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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

Ok, clear enough HS, thanks.
Basically what you're tellin' me is that if under Human controll, things won't autoupgrade. Not bad, it's ok, i just wanna be sure that if i change the production the AI won't change it back...