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These bulge scenarios are always a bit unrealistic because they dont take into account the very critical fuel problem that the Germans had. The Ardennes offensive couldnt ever had succeeded because they didnt have enough fuel to drive to Antwerpen. Wacht am Rhein was Hitler's daydream he just forced his generals to execute who were not brave enough to resist even though they knew better.
That's what Steve said. He said they didn't have a prayer of winning. That's caused the August Fog scenario to have a contrived "victory condition" which is that the Allies have to get across the Rhine river to win.
Well put Mr. Fulkerson, and I'll add that Autumn Fog gives the German player a 'realistic hypothetical' chance of reaching Antwerp based on a fact. This 'fact' is noted in the scenario briefing:
German Fuel Supply:
Historically, the Germans had massed over 4,600,000 gallons of fuel, more than enough to keep the offensive moving. However, most of it was held in dumps far back near the Rhine river, and there were inadequate arrangements for moving this fuel supply forward. Consequently, many of the German mobile formations experienced critical fuel shortages, some even being immobilised for lengths of time. In the scenario the German player will experience these shortages thru a random drop in movement allowance. Capture of the large Allied fuel dumps at Liege, Spa, Verviers, Butgenbach or Luxembourg will help to alleviate this situation. These fuel dumps can be evacuated from the area by the Allies.
Historically, OKW knew that Allied air superiority would prevent the accumulated fuel dumps being moved forward early on, and the capture of Allied fuel depots was relied upon to keep the panzers rolling in the inital phase. The scenario provides better hints than the Germans had historically as to where the fuel is. KG Peiper had no idea when they turned west from Stavelot and Trois Ponts that a few miles to the north lay 2,000,000 gallons of US 1st Army fuel.
All of this is taken into account in the scenario and reflected in terms of movement points. While the Allies generally have no problem shifting forces around the map, the Germans have greatly reduced movement, and will even experience movement allowances of '1' on some occasions.
Well that definetely adds more realism into this scenario.
I do not know how much fuel exactly the Germans had reserved but I remember that I once read the Germans had to base their calculations on captured fuel because they didint have it enough themselves. And this is a bit speculative perhaps? But maybe scenario briefing knows better Anyway I am rather sure that the result u were able to achieve against Elmer is a bit "unrealistic" but maybe it depends more on AI than fuel.
< Message edited by parzival -- 3/28/2010 5:28:03 PM >
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