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RE: Doctrine - 1/27/2010 8:56:21 PM

Tuk

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Unless I target a bomber group explicitly, I never see fighters with Bounce Fighter doctrine attack bombers. If the targeted escorts stay high or go low the fighters follow them.

In which case we are most definitely playing a different game.

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RE: Doctrine - 1/27/2010 11:42:31 PM

pompack

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tuk

Unless I target a bomber group explicitly, I never see fighters with Bounce Fighter doctrine attack bombers. If the targeted escorts stay high or go low the fighters follow them.

In which case we are most definitely playing a different game.

Be patient with me, but I want to make sure I really understand

1. fighters set to Bounce Fighter Doctrine
2. fighters explictly commanded to attack a known fighter raid
3. fighters instead attack bombers in a different raid

Do I have it correct?

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RE: Doctrine - 1/28/2010 12:47:50 AM

Tuk

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Yep,

Set to bounce fighter doctrine.

Either sortied directly at an escort group, deliberately converted from patrol to intercept known escorts or patrol converting to intercept on own initiative. I've tried it all.

Fighters instead attack bombers from a different raid.

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I've outlined the various circimstances it occurs in previous posts. Now I'm focusing on where they occasionally intercept their intended targets.

I find so far-

1. If the escorts are a little behind their bombers, angle a patrol to catch them up from behind and that will work. Once separated from bombers you can get the escorts fine (though I had one example of interceptors attacking through escorts at same altitude to get to the bombers behind them. Shame must have deleted the screenie).

2. Get the little burgers before they rendezvous with bombers on the return trip.

3. If very lucky, I will catch a top escort layer when bouncing from on high. Speed of interceptors may play a part here, as escorts will usually try to dive below the bombers and you know what happens then.... So engage them in a dogfight before they can scoot.

4. Sometimes the escorts don't dive but duke it out instead.

5. Once escorts engage interceptors they will often lose the bombers and attack escorts back.

There are probably a few more instances I can't recall off hand but they all add up to the same thing. Fighters, whatever doctrine you give them, always choose bombers just as gentlemen, supposedly, prefer blondes.

Something else I noticed which is related. All the 1943 nightfighters are set to direct bomber doctrine. I've never noticed them attacking without a bounce though.

All this leads me to believe that doctrine is a fiction. If it is programmed somewhere, it is being over ridden by something much stronger in the code.

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RE: Doctrine - 1/29/2010 2:26:47 AM

otisabuser2

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Hi Tuk,

gotta ask, because it has not been mentioned so far.

Have you checked that the doctrine is set to bounce fighter for the correct Command ? They can be asked do one thing in France, and other further east, etc.

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RE: Doctrine - 1/29/2010 9:22:46 AM

Tuk

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lol. No harm in asking the obvious, overlooking it is often the problem but not this time. The only point I can see in it is that sorting units by doctrine when allocating interceptors to raids makes this task simpler, so yes, all commands have the same doctrines.

Having said that, the last few days I've noticed bounce fighter units have started to intercept fighters a bit more. Hardly following their doctine, but not flouting it for the sake of it. I'm wondering if unit experience might play a part?

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