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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

What Bullwinkle58 said. Even with dud rate of 80%, it is not that rare for USN fleet boats to sink several ships in week, sometimes with rate 1/day if all subs are utilized.

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ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

I am playing the allies(pbem). So why is it that every torpedo fired by my subs thats HITs anything "big"-such as a CA,large Ao, Ak or DD torpedo does not explode. But let it be a PB or something similiar - its a hit and it explodes. Please don't give me that FOG crap.

I hope some jap iron is going to the bottom besides these little Pbs and the such. But its Aug 42 and very little is changing. The allied subs are a joke, you might as well leave them in port instead of taking the losses.

I am sure my Japanese counter part has his own complaints with something being off. So what gives?

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ORIGINAL: noguaranteeofsanity

I have runs of bad luck with the US subs, where every torpedo will fail and then just when you are wondering why you are even watching the combat animations and still paying attention, one will actually work and sink something important, like the Kaga, despite previously failing against every damn destroyer or whatever else they have come across. I think its basically just the luck of the dice and i dont think there is any bias.

Of course, if you want to avoid this, you dont have torpedo problems with the Dutch subs.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

what you shouldn´t forget is that while the dud rate of the torps is 90% this doesn´t mean you need 10 attacks to score one exploding torp. In fact you need far fewer. My guess would be 4 and the next one makes boom. Why? Because the subs don´t only fire one torp but 2, 4 or many times 6 in a salvo.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

What Bullwinkle58 said. Even with dud rate of 80%, it is not that rare for USN fleet boats to sink several ships in week, sometimes with rate 1/day if all subs are utilized.

Go pigboats!!!

I would encourage all Allied players frustrated with their sub production to really spend the time needed to set up good patrol zones. Apart from targeting choke points rather than open ocean, use the Linger variable to hold the boat at the prime part of the choke (balancing with detection level), and think about the fuel trade offs on long-range zones (HI, PI from Pearl) of using Cruise settings in the zone for linger time versus not having the speed to intercept warship TFs. Let the warships go. They make you feel good and liven up the patrol report, but the true job of the subs is to deny the HI its groceries. A big AK, or, especially, a lucious tanker, sent to to the bottom is worth far more to the war effort than a bagged cruiser.

Hand manage a few, really aggressive subs, mix up the zone sizes and shapes, focus on going where the targets are going to have to be, once you "pay" for the transit let them have some time to be productive, and you'll see good results in 1942. In 1943, if you have good habits in place, you'll see stupendous results.

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ORIGINAL: stuman

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Short answer: The game isn treating both sides equally.


Long answer: Your perception is a result of an egocentric cognitive bias which is common to all people and which, incorrectly, overemphasises one's own experience as a basis for generalisation.

That is a lot of big words.

And I think the game is biased against me. It is constantly blowing up my ships, shooting down my planes, sinking my subs and trashing my troops. All of the time, without letup.

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

80% dud rate still means 20% are working correctly, if you're lauching 100 torps a week (should be easy enough in the early days with short patrol areas and lots of targets) then 20 hits can easily sink 20 AKs   It seems to be that my lot get lower dud rates from surface attacks as well for some reason.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

80% dud rate still means 20% are working correctly, if you're lauching 100 torps a week (should be easy enough in the early days with short patrol areas and lots of targets) then 20 hits can easily sink 20 AKs   It seems to be that my lot get lower dud rates from surface attacks as well for some reason.

This is where the "theoretical" doesn't intersect with the "actual." Allied subs don't launch anything like 100 torps a week. Most weeks might seek five to ten Allied sub attacks with perhaps 10 to 40 torpedoes launched.

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ORIGINAL: Ametysth

Why does it seem? Well, because it is true.

It is more likely to get an explosion on xAK than CV. After all, you are making more attacks on transports. If one out of four attacks results an explosion, chances are high that the target is a transport and not that CV.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

80% dud rate still means 20% are working correctly, if you're lauching 100 torps a week (should be easy enough in the early days with short patrol areas and lots of targets) then 20 hits can easily sink 20 AKs   It seems to be that my lot get lower dud rates from surface attacks as well for some reason.

This is where the "theoretical" doesn't intersect with the "actual." Allied subs don't launch anything like 100 torps a week. Most weeks might seek five to ten Allied sub attacks with perhaps 10 to 40 torpedoes launched.

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

I totally agree with Bullwinkle, 80% dud rate means you have a 20% success rate. If you put your subs where his AKs and TKs are, you will sink some of them. I try to start changing out my sub commanders on the ships second trip out so they are more aggressive and will take more shots.

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ORIGINAL: Boozecamp

The lack of deductive reasoning abilities amongst many posters here is nothing short of amazing.  Torpedo accuracy is affected by the target's maximum speed, and the torpedo's speed.  Therefore, merchies are easy targets, DDs, not so much so.  It doesn't take a Neurosurgeon's mental abilities to figure this out.  In real life, an unguided torpedo's accuracy is going to be determined by those two factors, plus a target's physical size and the degree of the targets maneuvering.