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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 1:55:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Have to agree with cap_and_gown. Last time you fought his armor he had limited bases in the area and you had the KB there to hit him hard. Inland in australia your base situation is not so hot and his is pretty good. Assuming his bomber situation isn't terrible (which it might be but its tough to assume), I think it more likely he'll have air superiority than you.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 2:55:03 AM   
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Sector 3 holds 3000 AV and is the strongest sector. If I get bypassed and outmanouvered it's possible to withdraw to the northern ports and evacuate.


To add to others' observations, you should really rethink this. I don't think you're retreat options are very good at all from this area. Darwin is your only safe exit point and as you already know, it is a long, long walk from this sector.

You do NOT want to strand 3000AV because he cut off your escape route with paras and 4E bombers.



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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 2:55:30 AM   
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I couldn't hazard one...


More likely refuse to on a public forum.


Right! Actually it depends on too many things that are hidden. What is he doing with air group training, base building, fortifications, replacements, how much is being airlifted in and on and on...

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 2:57:09 AM   
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It is extremely hard to capitalise on a Chinese victory unless it involves surrounding the Japanese forces, cutting off their supply and destroying them.


Good advice!

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 5:07:45 AM   
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It is extremely hard to capitalise on a Chinese victory unless it involves surrounding the Japanese forces, cutting off their supply and destroying them.


Good advice!


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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 7:43:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm well aware of this fact; Andy has only built Bundaberg to a size 7 af.
Charleville is a size 2 and the next sizeable base i Brisbane.

So I'm not worried about 4E bombers attacking from long range without escorts as of yet.
- Too few and undeveloped airfields.

In return we have 4 well developed fields to attack from; if it will be enough I don't know.
I have expanded ports in NE Oz and Townsville is a size 5 by now with extra capacity to the north.
So with enough ships I can embark a lot of troops rather quickly if we need to get out of Dodge.

I find this a somewhat risky but necessary strategy; just don't feel that we can give up Oz before Andy clearly
shows that he is rady and able to kick us out. Think about what the Jap mentality would be here in RL!-)

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 3:36:49 PM   
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 4:11:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like this spirit. This AAR is one of the two most interesting since it focuses on the AUS theater so much (the other one was Seydlitz try with Russia -- I hope one day someone repeats that with the latest patch to see how it really would work). #

Andy's AUS strategy has many possible routes. If I were him, I would see two only real options: Retaking the eastern ports in the short term, and then, at the time when his CV air becomes unbearably superior, just bypass Darwin and isolating the Japs there till the end of war -- kind of using them there like a training ground. Option two would be keeping the situation as is, maybe staging some probing attacks and just binding strong Jap forces there until his fleet is strong enough to completely isolate them. Thereafter, cut them off from supply, and either attack them with economically small forces when they are starving, or even leave them there as cheap bombing targets pinned by weak holding forces are while his fleet begins unobstructed but fast island hopping through CentPac. However, both options require uncontested superiority on the water, and in the air.

An advance in the west seems to me hardly promising (what strategic benefits would he get for taking that risk?) and the center sector is more of a long term threat (jump-off base to the DEI) if you still have sufficient naval assets to simply evacuate the eastern ports in that case. What is your armor, and where is it placed in S2 and S3? What is its quality? Can it contest the M3 and M4s, or whatever the AUS and US armor and cavalry can field? How severe do you think would the strain on supply for an allied advance through S2 to Darwin be? Does the nick have anti-armor capability (like the ju87G with the external 3.7cm)?

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 5:17:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I actually think the high quality of the George and its ability to tangle with the best to be a good investment.
100 Crack fighters manned by 100 crack pilots will hurt enemy bomber and CAG groups trying to hit high value targets and main bases.

Hm, I've spent more time analyzing the situation in Oz, China and Burma. This is truly a difficult call.
- Since Townsville is surrounded by a very good railnetwork and is a size 5 port supported by further size 3 and 2 ports to the north the capacity to
load troops is actually higher than what is provided from Darwin.

Nice to have you join the discussion janh! Oz is interesting, it provides a new challenge.
I have no plans about leaving 5000 AV in Oz to whither on the wine, hopefully no more than 10% of this strength has to be sacrificed in order to win as much
time as possible (well into 43).

We have more than enough naval transports to pick up all our troops and the Combined Fleet still rules the waves.
Not convinced the Nicks are great tank busters and I got 78 of them in Burma leaving only 1 restricted formation in the HI's for training.
- It will be very difficult to defeat the immense Allied armored force in Oz, but we can hurt it and delay it.
Supplies is not an issue for Allies in Oz, fuel is as I understand it. When Zone 3 is lost of evacuated I will eventually have to pull
back from Alice Springs in order to avoid being cut off. When all Allied troops can converge on Zone 3 I will be forced to pull back towards Darwin.

Jap tanks are outclassed but my experience is that tank quality in WitP doesn't count for as much as it does in other wargames.
The Japanese armored force is divided as follows:

1 Tank regiment in the Home Islands will be dispatched to Christmas Island.
1 Tank Company is in Truk

Some tank units are left in China, but the bulk is in Burma and Oz.
- In Burma I have put together a tank corps compromised of 1 Tank division, 1 Tank Brigade, 3 Tank Regiments and 3 Tank Recon Regiments.

In Oz there are no tanks in Zone 1, all tanks are divided between Zone 2 and 3 as follows:

Zone 2:
3 Tank Regiments and 5 Tank Recon Regiments totalling 290 tanks (177 Medium Tanks Type 97, 80 Light Tanks Type 95 and 33 Tankettes.

Zone 3:
5 Tank Regiments and 2 Tank Recon Regiments totalling 336 tanks (2 Medium Tanks Type 1, 185 Medium Tanks type 95, 144 Light Tanks Type 95 and 5 Tankettes.
The core defenses in Zone 3 is the 2 full infantry divisions and 9 infantry regiments and brigades.

I will figure out the load cost of all Zone 3 units, add 30% and gather a fleet that can evacuate it when required.
Heavy cargo ships for the tanks, fast troop ships for the infantry and support units, fast naval transports for the rear guards and air transports for inland
and emergency evacs.

A skilled evacuation like those performed from Dunkirk, Sicily and Baltic states is an art in itself.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 08, 42

Air Combat

We give the Chinks lots of pepper but they eat the pain...

Morning Air attack on 4th Chinese/B Corps, at 80,53 (Hengyang)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 28
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 3
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 4th Chinese/C Corps ...
Also attacking 4th Chinese/B Corps ...
Also attacking 4th Chinese/C Corps ...
Also attacking 4th Chinese/B Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 4th Chinese/B Corps, at 80,53 (Hengyang)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 45th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
22 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 75th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 87th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 75th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
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Ground Combat

Andy shock attacks again at Ichang and despite heavy losses achieve a 2-1 odds and reduce fort levels to 2!
- It's now seems very possible that he will be able to kick us out of this town. It's annoying but not very decisive.
Got a reserve Bde that can march into Ichang in 2 days.

Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 175 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 605
Defending force 57001 troops, 386 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1895

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
34th Division
57th Infantry Brigade
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion

Defending units:
18th Chinese/A Corps
68th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
18th Chinese/B Corps
87th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
18th Chinese/C Corps
26th Group Army
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Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 56094 troops, 386 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1894
Defending force 17888 troops, 168 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 605

Allied adjusted assault: 1254
Japanese adjusted defense: 472

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)
Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1515 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 111 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 76 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4113 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 446 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 278 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled

Assaulting units:
87th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
18th Chinese/B Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
18th Chinese/A Corps
18th Chinese/C Corps
26th Group Army

Defending units:
34th Division
57th Infantry Brigade
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
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Australia

I have reviewed Allied bases in Zone 3.
- There are actually 6 bases (5 size 4 and up) in the area.

We got 4-5 bases that are developed, but these are further up the road.




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 6:11:37 PM   
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Well, Townsville sure does look like a Dunkirk. All that open land to the west is going to be dead meat in the face of his armor. Does not look like he will be too hard pressed to encircle Townsville.

Just remember that he can work up an airfield quite quickly if he puts a mind (and Seebees) to it. Best have that evacuation fleet docked and ready to load when his attack hits.


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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 6:36:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is very good to study the tactical and strategic situations, and have reaction plans to make sure you're not caught unaware.  But reacting to the enemy, you're unlikely going to win the battle.  Just recall the old Grant wisdom: "I am heartily tired of hearing what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land on our rear and on both our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do."

The question is only, how to turn any of the possible attacks Andy might stage around and regain initiative quickly?  What would happen if you allow him a tank drive north, while simultaneously you prepare an invasion of to be determined forces behind his line?  Could you cut him off somewhere?  Force him to change plans and react instead?

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 6:40:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The danger with armored formations is that they can cover the entire map while in pursuit of retreating units.
So I can not allow our troops to be defeated and that's why most of them are already in strategic movement mode.

Townsville is hard to defend, but the wooded area around Bowen and the rocky ground to the west is defendable.
Yes, the ships are gathering in Rabaul.

The next phase would be to wait for Andy to make his move; he will have to decide were and when to strike and do it
very convincingly in order to implement Operation Shōwa (the evacuation of Zone 3). Hopefully we can delay this for some time.

A contingency and counter-attack plan is always a good thing.
- I need to get the Combined Fleet up from the Home Islands before it's feasible though.

When faced with superior ground forces it is limited what can be achieved.
To conduct a landing behind Allied lines is not very tempting, at least not close to major LBA formations.
- A smaller surprise landing or para attack is doable but with a garrison unit and forts it will be hard to achieve much.

A trust south from Alice Springs with our armor is something that could work though!


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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 10:23:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		57 Chinese units in Hengyang...I'm starting to regret following your adivce about staying
We've managed to build 2 fort levels and there are some 51k troops in the city. Everything now depends on the state of the Chinese
mass Army. Hopefully this will hurt more for them than for us but I'm not convinced!-)

2 more days until a light carrier joins the fleet, the Musashi is 89 days out and I'm looking forward to using the yard capacity on
carriers instead of another bomb magnet. If the Japs had laid down 4 more carriers instead of the Yamato and Musashi the war would have been
very different.

I'm scrounging search and asw units to send into the Central Pacific. So much ocean to cover and so few ac!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 09, 42

Air Combat

Again we hit the Chinese troops and inflict more disruption and casualties.
113 bombers is 95% of all attack ac available to the Chinese theatre.

Morning Air attack on 72nd Chinese Corps, at 80,53 (Hengyang)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 3
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (0 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 4th Chinese/C Corps ...
Also attacking 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Chinese/B Corps ...
Also attacking 9th War Area ...
Also attacking 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment ...
Also attacking 9th War Area ...
Also attacking 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment, at 80,53 (Hengyang)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 53rd Chinese Corps, at 81,52 (Siangtan)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 100th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 100th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 67th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 67th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 67th Chinese Corps ...
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Afternoon Air attack on 75th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Another shock attack and the Chinese strength is quickly ebbing.
Tomorrow a reserve brigade march into Ichang and after looking at the depleted state of the Chinese formations
I think this will be enough to hold the city. Those 600+ combat squads destroyed or disabled today can not be made good.

I did a quick summary and the Chinse Ichang Army has suffered the following combat squad casualties in the last 3 days:
Squads destroyed: 125
Squads disabled: 1605
Total squads out of action: 1730!!

Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 52018 troops, 386 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1540
Defending force 16744 troops, 168 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 523

Allied adjusted assault: 459

Japanese adjusted defense: 243

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)
Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1988 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 119 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 94 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6422 casualties reported
Squads: 72 destroyed, 526 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 401 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 27 disabled

Assaulting units:
75th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
87th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
18th Chinese/B Corps
68th Chinese Corps
18th Chinese/A Corps
18th Chinese/C Corps
26th Group Army

Defending units:
34th Division
57th Infantry Brigade
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
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A remnant is driven back and out of the railroad hex.

Ground combat at 79,55
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4638 troops, 38 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 179
Defending force 2914 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97

Japanese adjusted assault: 143

Allied adjusted defense: 57
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1107 casualties reported
Squads: 45 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
14th RGC Temp./B Division
17th/B Division
20th RGC/B Division

Defending units:
50th Chinese Corps
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 10:26:50 PM   
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2 more days until a light carrier joins the fleet, the Musashi is 89 days out and I'm looking forward to using the yard capacity on
carriers instead of another bomb magnet. If the Japs had laid down 4 more carriers instead of the Yamato and Musashi the war would have been
very different.


Not if they don't fix their pilot training program too.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 10:29:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think an increased focus on carriers would also have been reflected in an increased naval pilot training pilot as well, not?

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 10:31:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Considering, that in Hengyang there are only 383 supply left I would guess China supply situation is critical (or Japan in China :) ). Plus you just got some industry in the city, so even less for China.

I don't see many of your subs east of Australia, PzB. Do you actually try to catch all those desperate convoys from West Coast, that must deliver new units on daily basis?
I also see, that Charleville is pretty isolated. Have you considered to send few small tank units to cut it off for a while? When Allies will try to get back LOC it should be easy to bombard them, thus delaying offensive even further.
And I would not worry about 4E bombers now (well, at least for base attacks). Probably too few of them, and you should have enough Tojos to counter.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/29/2010 11:29:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I sent 20 subs hunting the East coast of Oz..results were very very slight.
Now the subs are changing hunting grounds, the West Coast and PH is probably a safer bet.

Almost captured Charleville earlier on, Andy saved it by railing in troops and I pulled out.
Now there are 30 units and lots of forts there so it's "closed"...!-)

I'm sure Andy has his challenges but that he's taking his time to build his strength and strike
when he's ready.

I've shipped in a lot of supplies to China and is continously doing so. The frontier bases are still rather
hard to supply. Hopefully the 52 Chink units will not have enough supplies to attack efficiently; then we're looking at a carnage.

Upgraded another 2 Oscar units to Tojos and got a large Oscar formation sitting in Rabaul that's destined for upgrade and Oz if required.
So yes, local air superiority should be ours for some time to come as long as we're not outbased

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 12:03:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bombing Chinese from 10k feet is suboptimal, I think. 10k is for enemies that have Boforses and whatever. Chinese, on the other hand, have almost no AA weapons capable of reaching even 6k. And attacks from 6k do considerably more damage.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 1:17:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		For search AC, use both IJA and IJN recon units. If you use those you will have plenty of search capability. Of course, they will need to be trained on naval search first. Once you get the Dinah III model, your recon AC will in some ways be better than the Emily's. Very long range and much less likely to be down for repairs. Irvings are OK as well, though they don't have the range of the Dinah III's.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 7:33:22 AM   
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I think an increased focus on carriers would also have been reflected in an increased naval pilot training pilot as well, not?



they couldn´t even equip their existing carriers with pilots and aircraft, what would you make sure they would with an additional four CVs?

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 11:16:25 AM   
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I'm sure Andy has his challenges but that he's taking his time to build his strength and strike when he's ready.


I think that is your benefit, and true, Andy is a careful planner. Actually so careful, that was slow enough in the past of this AAR to exploit some of his moves, particularly on the west coast of AUS. He behaves somewhat like a McClellan or Rosecrans, and is prone to cede initiative if you can again exploit holes in his plan by flexible and quick countermoves. The question is whether he will turn into a Grant when needed?
Lee in the Overland Campaign knew exactly that he had to beat Grant before reaching the James and Richmond, else it would just be a war of attrition and the definite end of the CSA. And thus he had to be aggressive and attack, win the initiative and dictate the moves, even though weaker in number and worse supplied and equipped.

The other night I thought about the pro's and con's of fighting in AUS. In the end, Japan has to fear only the battle of attrition once allied aircraft and pilots have become superior, and allied CV, CVL and CVE come in in large numbers. How, if at all can Japan win or gain a stalemate given that outlook? Avoid a battle of attrition, and draw the USN into pitched battles to annihilate its CV superiority and make amphibious moves in the CentPac and DEI forbiddingly expensive? I guess that's pretty much the only opportunity.

I have seen in the other AARs that "japanese people" avoided fighting a battle of attrition far forward like the Japanese did in Solomons and New Guinea, but many tried to pull into the areas of intelocking airbases in the DEI, or the Marinas, for example. However, to me it appears that played into the hands of the allied, since by then they had gained very cheaply serious strategic advantages, and the character of the battle of attrition and the result did not change -- the interlocking air bases were quickly taken out by 4E and the vast US CV air. Also the Japanese was forced to spread out his ground forces over too many islands and bases, knowing he could not react fast enough to the allied amphib moves to counter -- a bad violation of the concentration principle.
The Allied players, in contrast, without much sacrifice therefore was allowed to attack and take air bases near the oil and resource centers. And even worse, they could interdict Japanese naval movement in vast areas including the Philipine Sea, Singapore etc. They also had gained recon advantages at even greater ranges, being able to spot the remainders if the KB and IJN as far out as Hong Kong of the Chinese Sea! Not to mention the benefits for the US submarine warfare by squeezing the "patrol area" together into a smaller bag. So I wonder whether the "buffer zones" tactic actually can work?

My impression would be trying an early, forward "offensive defense". Early, when his equipment isn't top of the line yet (Hellcats, Corsairs, P47 etc), but only trickling in. The more time you make him pay until his gets over the Solomons/CentPac island chains/northern & eastern AUS etc, the later his (bombing) grip on the Japanese resources will be felt, the less efficient will the submarine campaign be (far approach, wide areas), and the more tactical freedom you will have for any ship movements and hiding the KB in your areas. And time also works for the Japanese if you consider your goal a ceasefire in this war.

If you could contest Andy and make the reconquest of AUS slow, expensive and tedious, you could gain a lot. The question is only: can this really be done? Can you supply the forces on the east coast through Darwin? If so, your lifeline would be far away from his access, and quite secure. At this time, the Tojo will give you some advantages, and it may be a good time to attrit also the US air a bit in return. The option to naval bombard his coastal airbases needs consideration and may help to rid of his medium and heavy bomber fleets. Also, if he pushes hard in AUS, there must be weak spots elsewhere in the AUS or Centpac theaters. Maybe the convoy routes and island in EastPac? If you can delay/contest him in AUS, then one or two hard surprise moves against his weak spots may force him to change plans and divert forces again. Maybe a mock invasion at the right time might also be good? When his trap springs, you could give him 8 days to get far north from his jump-off line and then sail KB plus an (empty) evacuation fleet towards Melbourne, in plain sight for a few days until you have them suddenly disappear? It is a gamble to invite his carriers for a party, too, and may disrupt his plans and initiative....


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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 3:33:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's possible that I can bomb Chinese from lower than 10000 feet, but hitting the mega army in Hengyang requires some caution
cause there are some bigger guns there. Also remember that level bombers and dive bombers have different optimal bombing altitudes; can anyone elaborate a bit on this?

Oh yes, using all the recon's I have; still looking for more

Well yes of course, focus on naval aviation was restricted to a minimum, not taking potential war losses and replacements into considerations.
Ordering 4 new carriers would have had to go hand in hand with an increased pilot training program for the navy. It would require lots of foresight to do so since the battleship
was still considered the queen of the seas.

A nice evaluation janh! Did you read my previous AAR were I also played against Andy?
Went through many of your considerations, tried many counterattacks and cunning plans. Offensive planning seems to have come to an end by mid 43. Then US might made it impossible.
- Counterattacks continued to work well into 44 though.

Andy knows he can expect me to be offensive minded and in general not be able to hold back when I see an opportunity to strike.
This has won many suprising victories but also cost me a lot. In the last game I pursued the US carrier fleet with the KB, got to close to LBA and lost hundreds of carrier ac and several carriers.
- In this game I gambled that the Mini KB would be a match for the remaining US carriers; Andy was game but had a trumph card in weather and a British carrier and I lost 1 (Junyo) fleet and 2 light carriers.

So while I must continue to launch surprise attacks I also need to become more unpredictable; getting close to Allied LBA in 43 is on the absolute NO list though!-)
I've been thinking what I can use the troops in Oz Zone 3 for; the entire Solomons and New Guinea chain can be fortified and a strong (2 division) counter attack force can be made available.
This will be such a potent combo that the Combined Fleet should be able to contest and defeat any Allied amphibious invasion until late 43 if I play the cards right.

I think I need to let Andy take the initiative now and come up with ways to defeat his offensives in various ways.
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Lots of action today!!!

China

The Chinese Mega Army attacked in Hengyang and achieved a 5-1 odds, kicking us out Enemy losses were 50% heavier than ours with ca 1000 combat squads disabled.
We lost a lot of destroyed squads and equipment though, so I'm not sure staying was the best choice. Hopefully the cost to the Chinese in men and supplies was more costly than our losses.
- I'm now switching Army bombers to hit Chinese industries; want to reduce the Chinese ability to produce supplies.

On the positive side; No more attacks against Ichang and we got reinforcements in place.
So we won a few and lost a few and I'm now expecting the situation to calm down a bit in China.
- Launching an offensive in the Kweilin area that has been under planning for some time.

Oz

27 enemy units have moved out of Charleston!!
- Another 41 enemy units are still in Bundaberg. In total this is ca 30 LCU's more than we got in Zone 3 and it looks like Andy is launching the inland offensive as predicted, probably
to be supported by a trust along the coast.

I have initiated the planned countermeasures.
- The fleet is ready to support a massed evacuation within 3 weeks if required and 250 bombers prepare to hit enemy ground units as they advance over open land.

The challenge now will be to stay out of harms way while inflicting maximum casualties on the enemy.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 10, 42

Sub Attacks

An unescorted large tanker!!!
- The sub is hit by a 4" shell which cause moderate damage; the tanker is hit by a torpedo and 11 14cm shells and
should be done for. No fuel aboard.

Sub attack near Trivandrum at 27,45

Japanese Ships
SS I-122, hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
TK Saidja, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

SS I-122 attacking on the surface
SS I-122 low on gun ammo, Nakajima A. breaks off surface engagement and submerges
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 37th Chinese Corps, at 80,53 (Hengyang)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 20
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 3
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-15-III: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
234 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
20 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
11th FG/43rd FS CAF with I-15-III (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 56th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 100th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 37th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 37th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 37th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 56th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 100th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 37th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 37th Chinese Corps, at 80,53 (Hengyang)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 87th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 32nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 87th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 32nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 87th Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 56th Chinese Corps, at 80,53 (Hengyang)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Hengyang (80,53)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 169223 troops, 1005 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6895
Defending force 46305 troops, 411 guns, 152 vehicles, Assault Value = 1564

Allied adjusted assault: 4961
Japanese adjusted defense: 875

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 2)
Allied forces CAPTURE Hengyang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
9182 casualties reported
Squads: 393 destroyed, 138 disabled
Non Combat: 436 destroyed, 203 disabled
Engineers: 141 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 75 (68 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 121 (117 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units retreated 6

Allied ground losses:
14567 casualties reported
Squads: 56 destroyed, 958 disabled
Non Combat: 113 destroyed, 707 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 75 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
12th Construction Regiment
38th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
25th Chinese Corps
44th Chinese/A Corps
44th Chinese/B Corps
10th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese/B Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
8th New Chinese Corps
93rd Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
7th Construction Regiment
56th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
30th Chinese/C Corps
80th Chinese Corps
3rd Construction Regiment
84th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
86th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
44th Chinese/C Corps
10th Construction Regiment
58th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese/C Corps
Jingcha War Area
3rd War Area
7th Artillery Regiment
19th Group Army
Central Reserve
24th Group Army
32nd Group Army
14th Group Army
18th Artillery Regiment
22nd Artillery Regiment
10th Group Army
18th Chinese Base Force
20th Artillery Regiment
15th Group Army
3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment
21st Group Army
31st Group Army
39th Group Army
Lusu War Area
9th War Area
36th Group Army
4th Group Army
1st Chinese Base Force
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment

Defending units:
35th Division
17th/C Division
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
22nd Division
37th Division
13th/B Division
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 7:10:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd say he won the exchange at Hengyang. Most of his casualties were disables. Yours were not.

Japanese ground losses:
9182 casualties reported
Squads: 393 destroyed, 138 disabled
Non Combat: 436 destroyed, 203 disabled
Engineers: 141 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 75 (68 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 121 (117 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units retreated 6

That's pretty much a division, an engineer regiment, and a tank regiment KIA.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 7:23:18 PM   
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It's possible that I can bomb Chinese from lower than 10000 feet, but hitting the mega army in Hengyang requires some caution
cause there are some bigger guns there. Also remember that level bombers and dive bombers have different optimal bombing altitudes; can anyone elaborate a bit on this?


It's an altitude thing. Unfortunately I don't recall all the differences off the top of my head. Dive bombers are generally going to glide bomb on ground attack unless they are below 6000'. Not sure what they use then. Is there a LowG skill?

Level bombers should always level bomb on ground attack. Be careful going below 6k because they might use one of the Low skills instead of regular Gnd skill.



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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 8:04:18 PM   
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quote:

It's possible that I can bomb Chinese from lower than 10000 feet, but hitting the mega army in Hengyang requires some caution
cause there are some bigger guns there. Also remember that level bombers and dive bombers have different optimal bombing altitudes; can anyone elaborate a bit on this?


It's an altitude thing. Unfortunately I don't recall all the differences off the top of my head. Dive bombers are generally going to glide bomb on ground attack unless they are below 6000'. Not sure what they use then. Is there a LowG skill?

Level bombers should always level bomb on ground attack. Be careful going below 6k because they might use one of the Low skills instead of regular Gnd skill.





Yup 6k is the limit on bombig skills .. under it and you use lowlvlbomb skill (which is usually poor imo ).. DB's ? dont they DB upto about 14k then 15k-19k its glide 20k+ level bombing .. or is that TB's ? sorry im not more informative.



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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 9:48:12 PM   
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 6/30/2010 10:06:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok thx, dive and level bombers should stay between 6 and 20k feet depending on the expected levels of AA then!

Yes, it was a heavy loss of Jap squads; my hunch was to pull back after capturing the base.
The "experiement" related to Chink ability to move and attack with huge armies has therefore been concluded
- So the consequences is that we bomb enemy industry and resources and only engage massed Chink armies with major Jap armies.
Hopefully it will require a lot of Chink supplies to repair the many thousands damaged squads and units; maybe this will become
a critical factor later on.

A major enemy LCU formation is observed south of Impahl in Burma and Allied air strikes hit our forward base in Zone 3 in Oz.
Everything indicates that Andy will spend the next month doing what no one knows better than him; land combat on a major scale ala WitP

I'm continuing my own preparations....


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 11, 42

ASW Attacks

A direct hit on the damaged sub that engaged the tanker yesterday.
Creeping back to port.

ASW attack near Koggala at 28,50

Japanese Ships
SS I-122, hits 3, heavy damage

Allied Ships
xAK Steaua Romania
ML No. 310

SS I-122 is sighted by escort
ML No. 310 attacking submerged sub ....
ML No. 310 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 310 attacking submerged sub ....
ML No. 310 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 310 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

We sweep Chittagong and claim 21 kills for 1 loss...!


Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 36

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 7
Kittyhawk IA x 13
P-39D Airacobra x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
Kittyhawk IA: 6 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet *
27 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.242 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
No.453 Sqn RAF with Kittyhawk IA (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 10 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
23rd FG/74th FS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 10 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 26000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet *

CAP engaged:
No.453 Sqn RAF with Kittyhawk IA (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
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First strat bombing attacks against Changsa and China.

Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 22
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 9 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 19
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 20

No Japanese losses

Heavy Industry hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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First enemy air attacks in Oz Zone 3 against our frontier base at Emerald.
Fine little to destroy there.


Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 7

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 12000 feet
7 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 12000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 6
B-18A Bolo x 14
B-25C Mitchell x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-18A Bolo bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-18A Bolo bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 12000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 17000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 10

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 17000 feet
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at 76,56

Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 5044 troops, 40 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 184

Defending force 1883 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 34
Japanese adjusted assault: 172

Allied adjusted defense: 25
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
517 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 34 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
51st Recon Regiment
116th/A Division

Defending units:
16th Group Army
13th Chinese Base Force
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Sweep against Chittagong




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/1/2010 9:47:49 AM   
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I think an increased focus on carriers would also have been reflected in an increased naval pilot training pilot as well, not?



they couldn´t even equip their existing carriers with pilots and aircraft, what would you make sure they would with an additional four CVs?


All the existing CVs had enough planes and spares as well as some spare squadrons ..

They couldnt have many planes because all the money went on accelerating building the 4 Yamatos :-) ... Remember Hull 111 was also 30% built whne the war started and Shinano more than that.

The problem was they ( just like the US) has no reserves as both expected a short and sharp decisive battle.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/1/2010 7:22:48 PM   
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Australia

Today saw massive air attacks in Oz, Zone 3 against Emerald, Rockhampton and Bowen.
Multiple sweeps hit all bases but met no resistance except from in Bowen were "leaky CAP" from Townsville put 10-12 Tojo's and Zero's in the air.
- 2 waves of Beaufighters sweeping Bowen suffered 14 A2A losses and 5 ops losses. The final sweep waves over Bowen compromised Lightnings.

Enemy heavy bombers hit Bowen and destroyed a single ac on the ground. Medium bombers hit Emerald and Rockhampton.
We lost 3 Tojo's and 2 Zero's in A2A combat today.

It would have been insanity to defend the forward bases, so of course we don't but a massive LRCAP effort could be tempting if Andy
returns regularly.

India - Burma

In India 3 waves of Army bombers and fighter bombers hit troop concentrations south of Imphal.

General

Preparing a reinforcement convoy for Christmas Island and Palmyra.
- Base unit for Palmyra and a tank regiment, artillery and Naval unit for Christmas; that should top the defenses there.
Still looking for a suitable Army HQ but don't have any available.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 12, 42

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Beaufort V x 13
Hudson III (LR) x 27
Mitchell II x 3
Hudson III (LR) x 7
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-26 Marauder x 32
B-26B Marauder x 10
P-39D Airacobra x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
H6K4 Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson III (LR): 1 damaged
Hudson III (LR): 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
7 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x Mitchell II bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
13 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
10 x Beaufort V bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-26B Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Beaufort V bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort V x 9
Hudson III (LR) x 6

No Allied losses


Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
9 x Beaufort V bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-24 Banshee x 12
P-39D Airacobra x 6

Allied aircraft losses
A-24 Banshee: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
2 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
6 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 7
B-18A Bolo x 15
B-25C Mitchell x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-18A Bolo bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-18A Bolo bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20A Havoc x 12

No Allied losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x A-20A Havoc bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 10

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Ic: 6 destroyed

CAP engaged:
4th Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 9

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Ic: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
4th Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x P-38E Lightning sweeping at 12000 feet

CAP engaged:
4th Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6
B-17E Fortress x 29
B-17F Fortress x 3
LB-30 Liberator x 4
B-24D Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 12
Runway hits 87

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 46th Indian Brigade, at 60,41
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 60,41
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 31

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 60,41
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/2/2010 8:41:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

I think an increased focus on carriers would also have been reflected in an increased naval pilot training pilot as well, not?



they couldn´t even equip their existing carriers with pilots and aircraft, what would you make sure they would with an additional four CVs?


All the existing CVs had enough planes and spares as well as some spare squadrons ..

They couldnt have many planes because all the money went on accelerating building the 4 Yamatos :-) ... Remember Hull 111 was also 30% built whne the war started and Shinano more than that.

The problem was they ( just like the US) has no reserves as both expected a short and sharp decisive battle.



that´s just not true, the Japanese CVs went into action more than once without having their full complement of aircraft, let alone pilots.

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