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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/19/2010 7:55:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 13, 42

Bombardments

First bombardment with the new patch; base was hit hard - ships cycled through different ranges and guns.
Casualties on the ground were relatively slight. 152 (23 after) fires and heavy port damage were reported in Akyab after the bombardment.

Night Naval bombardment of Akyab at 54,45 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Haruna
CL Abukuma
CL Kinu
DD Katsutade
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Arashi
DD Isokaze
DD Oyashio

Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (14 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Manpower hits 2
Fires 152
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 68
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2

BB Yamashiro firing at Akyab
BB Fuso firing at 1st Indian Light AA Regiment
BB Haruna firing at 1st Indian Light AA Regiment
CL Abukuma firing at 111th RN Base Force
111th RN Base Force firing at CL Abukuma
CL Kinu firing at 111th RN Base Force
DD Katsutade firing at Akyab
DD Shiratsuyu firing at Akyab
DD Arashi firing at 111th RN Base Force
111th RN Base Force firing at DD Arashi
DD Isokaze firing at 111th RN Base Force
111th RN Base Force firing at DD Isokaze
DD Oyashio firing at 94th Coast AA Regiment
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Air Combat

No Allied attacks on Shwebo or anywhere else in Burma, so our CAP trap didn't work.
Our only raid was almost a disaster; the 36 Zero's in the same base as the bombers with the same altitude and an exact
target given failed to fly and the bombers went on their own. Hurries over the target cost us 3 bombers, but it could have been
a lot more....

Morning Air attack on 66th Chinese/C Corps, at 61,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 50

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 7000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 7000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.113 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (16 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(16 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
16 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 66th Chinese/A Corps ...
Also attacking 66th Chinese/B Corps ...
Also attacking 66th Chinese/C Corps ...
Also attacking 66th Chinese/A Corps ...
Also attacking 66th Chinese/B Corps ...
Also attacking 66th Chinese/C Corps ...
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Ground Combat

Last turn there were 2 Chink units in Kweilin and nothing nearby, this turn when we attacked 2 more Corps had railed in.
Use strat movement for behind the line movements my a$$!

Ground combat at Kweilin (76,54)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13037 troops, 104 guns, 132 vehicles, Assault Value = 491

Defending force 22844 troops, 108 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 961
Japanese adjusted assault: 169

Allied adjusted defense: 865
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), op mode(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
786 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 37 (1 destroyed, 36 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
452 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
104th Division

Defending units:
63rd Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Base Force
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Judy D4Y1-C Naval recon

Look at this little beauty; a naval recon plane! We started producing it this month - 10/42.
Problem is that there are no navy recon units and I can't find any units that upgrade to it.
- I want it on my carriers!!!

Anyone know how to deploy this puppy?




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/19/2010 8:16:28 PM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		Manpower hits and fires at Akyab? With naval bombardment?

Besides the fact that I´ve never seen manpower being hit with naval bombardments, since when has been manpower at Akyab?

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 7:54:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		No idea...to me it looks like bombardments now work like strat bombing by 4Es.

Quiet on most fronts this turn; paras start claiming the Dot Island Empire near the Line Islands!-)
- This gave me an idea; what if we claimed some of those islands SSW of the Line Island. Could put some search and strike planes there and together with a surface group and couple of light carriers at Canton we got the potential to find and intercept any convoys sailing from PH-WC and south. Nothing major, just a small effort to make it even more difficult to run convoys in the area.

In Burma the enemy "stack" has not entered Shwebo. I have delayed the Army to wait for Andy as I think it may be a trap.
With the substantial reinforcements coming into the theatre I decided on offensive Samurai action!
- The powerful Army will enter Shwebo next turn, ejec the enemy Carabiniers regiment and rout the Indian Army.
If Andy use this as an opportunity to attack through the jungle we have rail lines and time to reorganize.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 14, 42

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 31st Chinese Corps, at 72,55 (Nanning)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 12
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 64th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 52nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 9th Chinese Base Force ...
Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 64th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 64th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 52nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 64th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Jarvis Island (170,144)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 13 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 3
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Jarvis Island !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /1
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Kitakami - AA & Kaiten Cruisers

Have you seen what the Kitakami torpedo cruisers upgrade to in late war?
Combined AA (705 AA) and Kaiten (x8)

They will also have deptch charges and multiple radar sets!

Interesting little JFB gadget; must preserve one of these and test





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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 8:43:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		PzB, the Zero´s that didn´t escort, do they have the same HQ as the Sallies?
Also Sallies and Zeroes have quite a high cruise speed difference which could interfere. (Edit: at least if they are A6M2´s)

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 9:25:19 AM   
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Judy D4Y1-C Naval recon

Look at this little beauty; a naval recon plane! We started producing it this month - 10/42.
Problem is that there are no navy recon units and I can't find any units that upgrade to it.
- I want it on my carriers!!!

Anyone know how to deploy this puppy?




Two groups are delayed and 8 groups will potentially upgrade to it (many of them delayed too)... similar for the D4Y2-C




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 9:44:58 AM   
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Kitakami - AA & Kaiten Cruisers

Have you seen what the Kitakami torpedo cruisers upgrade to in late war?
Combined AA (705 AA) and Kaiten (x8)

They will also have deptch charges and multiple radar sets!

Interesting little JFB gadget; must preserve one of these and test







wow, a higher AA value than Atlanta CLAAs got in mid war. The AA value isn´t telling the whole truth though, most of the AA value is obviously coming from the 25mm guns and these shouldn´t be that effective, at least according to what we were told by the devs so far.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 10:55:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Must check the Air HQs; moved some Sally's in from another theatre.
The strange thing is that bombers usually don't have a problem following each other, fighters following bombers is uber difficult in AE though.
- I know this is an example of Navy fighters and Army bombers but the Zero's have a better range than the Oscar; group size is also bigger than the Oscar unit I got in theatre.
Been upgrading most Oscars to Tojo's, only got 2 units left in Burma. Will have some Oscar escort with same altitude setting as the Army bombers in other hexes, in case the "organic" escort doesn't show up there's a chance that the "backups" will....think we need to become this paranoid to avoid getting our pilots slaughtered.

Hm, if that Yokosuka group that upgrades to the Uber Judy recon is on map I'l update, resize and get it on a carrier.
If max range with drop tanks is 22 hexes this can prove most usefull!

67x25mm; that would provide a lot of close range flak.
The 4 12.7cm AA guns would be the long range artillery.
No medium sized flak artillery though, so such a ship would be better at defending itself than escoring other vessels.
- Need to look up the accuracy and range of the Kaitens compared to the long lance. Wonder how efficient they will be. If we can judge from how they duped the midget subs in AE and Okha's in WitP they'll be worth fine little I'm actually unsure whether to upgrade the Kitakami's at all or keep their 2x20 torp mounts and use them as torpedo cruiser leaders.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 11:06:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jap engineers need a lot of time to build bases, so construction work on the Prosperity Line has started!
To begin with 1 Eng or construction unit is put in place, then I add a naval garrion and base force and eventually and Air HQ.
In this case a range 5 Air HQ at Endeh will be perfecto. When it is time for mining I find an ACM, disband it in port and let the minelayers drop their eggs.
- All in all an expensive and time consuming process.




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 11:20:39 AM   
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As a Kaiten carrier
From 14 August 1944 Kitakami was repaired and modified at Sasebo into a Kaiten human torpedo carrier with a capacity for eight Kaitens. A 20-ton crane, formerly from the seaplane carrier Chitose, was fitted to raise and lower the Kaiten into the water. The stern was remodeled into an overhanging ramp configuration and the aft turbines were removed as well, and the space used to hold spare parts & repair equipment. The removal of these turbines reduced Kitakami's top speed from 36 to 23 knots. All of Kitakami's armaments were removed and replaced by two Type 89 127-mm AA guns and 67 Type 96 25-mm (12x3 and 31x1) AA barrels, two Type 13 air-search and one Type 22 surface-search radars. Two depth charge launching rails were installed at the stern and two depth charge throwers were also installed. The refit was completed on 20 January 1945, and Kitakami was assigned directly to the Combined Fleet.

On 19 March 1945, American Task Force 58 aircraft carriers USS Essex (CV-9), USS Intrepid (CV-11), USS Hornet (CV-12), USS Wasp (CV-18), USS Hancock (CV-19), USS Bennington (CV-20) and the USS Belleau Wood (CVL-24) made the first carrier attack of the war on Kure Arsenal. More than 240 aircraft (SB2C Helldivers, F4U Corsairs and F6F Hellcats) attacked the battleships Hyuga, Ise, Yamato, Haruna, aircraft carriers Amagi, Katsuragi, Ryuho, Kaiyo and other ships. Kitakami sustained no damage.

In July 1945, an additional twenty seven single mount Type 96 25-mm AA guns were fitted to Kitakami. However, on 24 July 1945 about 200 aircraft Task Force 38's USS Essex (CV-9), USS Ticonderoga (CV-14), USS Randolph (CV-15), USS Hancock (CV-19), USS Monterey (CVL-26) and USS Bataan (CVL-29) again attacked the Kure area. Kitakami was damaged by strafing and thirty-two crewmen were killed.
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I didn't notice that the Kitakami's speed had been reduced to 21 knots..this isn't good.
In this article speed is set to 23, what should be correct?

The Kaitens aboard subs claimed 2 kills..(Japs claim more)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten The Kaiten cruisers never went into action. In AE it will be a doomsday project to engage them in combat with a speed of 21 knots.
...One way tickets.

Found some pictures of a model and rl:




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 12:15:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kaitens have less accuracy than almost any other torpedo in the game and 50% dud rate, but do enormous damage (almost 3.5 times of Long Lance). But I'm afraid, unless you catch the enemy ships unloading, this isn't going to matter.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 12:36:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just for info PzB: According to Nikademus (and I guess he knows what he is talking about) there is no special coordination penalty
for flying IJN with IJA. So I think we can dump this on principle.
That leaves HQ, cruise speed, pilot exp (?) and the likes, and bad luck.

Or, if its a major fubar (happens to me all the time) fighter escort range settings...


Edit: cruise speed difference is major on these two types btw. The same applies to A6M2 and Betties though...

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 1:00:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I think the Kaiten upgrade isn't going to be worth it...
The torpedo and flak cruiser option is more tempting!

I've checked the FUBAR factor, range is set to 12 and the target hex designated.
The Sally bombers were all fairly experienced (average 60-65).
I've never read a confirmation that air units belonging to the same Air HQ will increase their coordination.
If this is the case I have to continously change hq as the air units are reassigned new bases.
- Having one HQ at Rangoon and another at Magwe could be one extreme example.

Fighters usually sig sagged  around the bomber formations on their way to target.
It would be unforgivable in Japan for a fighter unit to loose the their herd and return home after the bombers were butchered to the last plane
- Even if some fighters lost their way you can bet you wager  that the majority of experienced fighter leaders would follow the bombers in.

I would really recommend less frequent occasions of bombers loosing their escorts when both belong to the same base.
A default rule that bombers would abort the mission if all fighters were lost should be implemented.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 1:46:12 PM   
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Yes, I think the Kaiten upgrade isn't going to be worth it...
The torpedo and flak cruiser option is more tempting!

I've checked the FUBAR factor, range is set to 12 and the target hex designated.
The Sally bombers were all fairly experienced (average 60-65).
I've never read a confirmation that air units belonging to the same Air HQ will increase their coordination.
If this is the case I have to continously change hq as the air units are reassigned new bases.
- Having one HQ at Rangoon and another at Magwe could be one extreme example.

Fighters usually sig sagged  around the bomber formations on their way to target.
It would be unforgivable in Japan for a fighter unit to loose the their herd and return home after the bombers were butchered to the last plane
- Even if some fighters lost their way you can bet you wager  that the majority of experienced fighter leaders would follow the bombers in.

I would really recommend less frequent occasions of bombers loosing their escorts when both belong to the same base.
A default rule that bombers would abort the mission if all fighters were lost should be implemented.



after a dev looking at my PBEM regarding coordination I was told that HQs could be a reason. Tried it in my AI test game, made no difference. IMO, it helps nothing. The most important factor I could make out was experience as I´ve used the editor to increase exp to 70+ and that seemed to have an impact. Problem will be that 70+ experience will never be the norm in your PBEM I guess.

I totally agree, it should definetely not happen that often to see things being screwed up and things get screwed up really often, even if you believe and adhere to all the myths about it or not. I can´t make out much difference (if any) between games where people say "I don´t care about the myths" or where people say "I try to adhere to all myths, I kill a chicken every turn on my desk, when a carrier engagement is expected, I even kill a rabbit".

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 3:20:46 PM   
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One thing I woudl say though is that it did happen more than you think.....at least the shepherds losing the flock part....from reading the bloody shambles series there were several several times when fighters failed to meet up with bombers or even lost bombers in the adverse Burmese weather.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/20/2010 4:08:50 PM   
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Hi guys,

One thing I woudl say though is that it did happen more than you think.....at least the shepherds losing the flock part....from reading the bloody shambles series there were several several times when fighters failed to meet up with bombers or even lost bombers in the adverse Burmese weather.



problem is that it seems that only one out of five missions actually is not screwed up it seems, taking all kind of missions together. Considering that I´m not trying to do 500 aircraft strikes but usually 50-75 you have to wonder what all has to go wrong if you want to launch 75 ac from a level 9 airfield to constantly see them screwing up something. The single squadron fighter sweeps are a good example for this, from what I´ve seen and experienced so far, in 99 out of 100 times, two squadrons of the same fighter type don´t coordinate on a sweep to the same target at 2 hexes range from a level 9 airfield for example. That makes me wonder why eg 32 Australian fighters wouldn´t be able to fly together to a target 90 miles away in real life. You can only to some extend compare the BoB with the war in the Pacific but with the "AE screw up airattacks routine" the BoB would have been over for the Germans within 7 days as there would be nothing left of the Luftwaffe I guess when attacking level 5-9 airfields stacked with fighters on Cap doing it the same way as in AE.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 7:18:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not much action in the first turn; a sweep in Burma finds only a longe Hurrie and
we continue to bomb Nanning. It's hard to get rid of the isolated defenders.

I agree with both your comments; it did happen but not as often as it does in AE.
My bombers have an average exp rating of 50-65 and seldom more, life expectancy isn't always that great for a number of reasons; the one discussed is perhaps
the numero one cause

Must admit that there are other factors that I don't have control over.
- In Burma weather is very often poor, does it interfere with coordination
- What about pilot fatigue and how important is leader skills and which skills should be look for

Will try to change Air HQ and test a bit more and see if there's a discussion on the dev forum. There is little response on the Air thread these days.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 15, 42

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *

CAP engaged:
No.27 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
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Morning Air attack on 52nd Chinese Corps, at 72,55 (Nanning)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 3
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 64th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 35th Group Army ...
Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 52nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 64th Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 31st Chinese Corps, at 72,55 (Nanning)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 20
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 9th Chinese Base Force ...
Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 9th Chinese Base Force ...
Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 9th Chinese Base Force ...
Also attacking 31st Chinese Corps ...
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 8:19:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		This was a decisive turn!

As mentioned; In Burma I decided on offensive action.
An enemy motorised unit has been in Shwebo for some time and I've observed an Indian Army to the north.
Been uncertain if Andy intended to march it into Shwebo; what I wanted was for him to march in first and the move in immediately with
a superior force.

Here is how it went;
- After slowing down my troops by ordering all to follow a marching regiment and then switching all to combat mode our move into Shwebo took many days.
Today they finally entered and by doing so crossed a river. At the very same time the Allied force made up by 2 Indian divisions and a brigade, a Chinese corps and a HQ also entered the hex to join forces with the motorised unit already there.

This had the following effect: after doing a river crossing our army in combat mode immediately shock attacked the enemy force.
The Guards tank division entered Shwebo last turn (without shock attacking) and did not participate in the battle. - Must admit I don't know why the tank division didn't attack last turn, there was a single enemy unit in the hex then...

Our attacking force consisted of 2 inf divisions, 5 inf regiments, 3 arty units, 2 tank recon units, 2 tank regiments and a tank brigade.
A HQ prepping for Shwebo was in place in Mandalay.

The results were very good! We achieved a 2-1 odds and routed the enemy straight out of Shwebo with heavy losses
According to Andy one of his divisions had not marched into Shwebo yet, this may have been a decisive factor but I think we would have won the fight in the longer run anyway
as our force is the superior one in a clear hex without forts.

My initial plan was to rout the enemy in Shwebo and order strong tank formations to pursue and destroy.
Now I have to make a difficult decision; should we pursue or be satisfied with our victory?

Pros:
- Enemy is routed and can be pursued and defeated again
- Kathi and Myitikina can be captured and the enemy driven back to Imphal

Cons:
- Our troops suffered heavy disruption and fatigue after shock attacking
- The road towards Kathi is a slow secondary one
- The range from our main airbases will give an advantage to the enemy when it comes to CAP and ground attack
(On the other hand this may force Andy to committ his Air Force before he can take sustained casualties)

What does the Generals council think?

One of the reasons I felt comfortable going onto the offensive with the knowledge that Allies can raise 5000 AV in Burma is that
our own strength has increased and with the arrival of a crack Manchuko division, 4 armored formations and numerous support units we will have
ca 4500 AV. 2500 of these are now committed towards Shwebo in an action against ca 2000 enemy AV.
- This leaves us ca 1500-2000 AV to face the remaining 2500-3000 enemy AV.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 16, 42

ASW Attacks

There's always a sub lurking outside of Soerabaja!
This time we hit it with numerous direct hits. Still it comes back and fires at us, hitting with duds.
After more hits the Sealion is forced to surface and finally sent to the bottom permanently.

ASW attack near Bandjermasin at 58,101

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-9
DD Yukaze
DD Shiokaze

Allied Ships
SS Sealion, hits 3, heavy damage

SS Sealion is sighted by escort
Sealion bottoming out ....
DD Yukaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Shiokaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiokaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiokaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiokaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Shiokaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Submarine attack near Bandjermasin at 58,101

Japanese Ships
DD Yukaze
SC CHa-9
DD Shiokaze
SC Ch 12

Allied Ships
SS Sealion, hits 10, and is sunk

SS Sealion launches 4 torpedoes at DD Yukaze
DD Yukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shiokaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Yukaze attacking submerged sub ....
SS Sealion forced to surface!
DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Shiokaze firing on surfaced sub ....
SC Ch 12 firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Shiokaze firing on surfaced sub ....
SC Ch 12 firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Shiokaze firing on surfaced sub ....
SC Ch 12 firing on surfaced sub ....
SC Ch 12 firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Shiokaze firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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Air Combat

Andy says he is reluctant to committ to battle in Burma as losses in 42 hurt.
A sweep over Comilla find a nice little leaky? CAP that is chewed up. We shoot down 6 fighters without loss.
- I notice a Spit V among the defenders, that's not particular good news.

P-38s, Spits and 4Es will soon fill the skies in Burma so the happy days are coming to an end soon.

Morning Air attack on Comilla , at 56,39
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 36

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 6
Hurricane IIc Trop x 4
Mohawk IV x 1
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
P-40K Warhawk x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *

CAP engaged:
No.21 Sqn RAAF with Spitfire Vc Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
No.60 Sqn RAF with Mohawk IV (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
No.79 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
No.135 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
No.146 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Shwebo (59,45)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 50491 troops, 501 guns, 740 vehicles, Assault Value = 2358
Defending force 40575 troops, 364 guns, 333 vehicles, Assault Value = 1698

Japanese adjusted assault: 1179
Allied adjusted defense: 438

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
3639 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 288 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 251 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Vehicles lost 90 (3 destroyed, 87 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6000 casualties reported
Squads: 316 destroyed, 297 disabled
Non Combat: 447 destroyed, 298 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 62 disabled
Guns lost 37 (21 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 165 (67 destroyed, 98 disabled)
Units retreated 6

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
56th Recon Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
4th Division
Guards Tank Division
2nd Recon Battalion
6th Tank Regiment
113th Infantry Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
23rd Tank Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
90th Infantry Regiment
1st Recon Battalion
14th Guards Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Field Artillery Regiment
48th Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
31st Field AA Battalion

Defending units:
14th Indian Division
46th Indian Brigade
39th Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
5th Chinese Corps
Burma Corps
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Again I try to dislodge the defenders at Nanning; need some time and even more troops to wear them down.

Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13976 troops, 116 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 493
Defending force 14736 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 520

Japanese adjusted assault: 374
Allied adjusted defense: 407
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1256 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 83 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 53 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
457 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 42 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
12th Ind.Mixed Brigade
66th Infantry Regiment
51st Recon Regiment
116th/A Division

Defending units:
31st Chinese Corps
52nd Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps
35th Group Army
9th Chinese Base Force
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Victory at Shwebo




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 8:32:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would pursue, not necessarily all the way but at the very least the first Hex to trash them in clear terrain, All the hurt you can inflict to badly supplied troops will mean that much rebuild he has to do and this will take time... What you don't want to do is overcommit there and have your 2500 AV deep in the north of Burma when the other pincers in the south show up... Trash him and see how it goes. If you have a chance to render LCUs powerless for a while, you get more time to fortify..


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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 8:43:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		China is easily cut off by your occupation of Lashio so if this is what you want to accomplish you don´t need it.
He looks quite strong at Mytin...doh i can´t speel that mudhole...
Are you sure you can press the attack there? In fact it does not matter much if the frontline is Imphal/Kohima/Ledo
or Imphal/Myitkvina. How about going for Paoshan instead and dig in at Katha? You could threat Myitkvina from 3 directions then.

Also you will probably need forces to defend against operations at your western flank.

Question is if this is enough to keep the initiative.

Before I forget: I noticed a significant difference when assigning squads to the same HQ´s, but there are always uncertainties.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 9:30:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am thinking along the same directions.
- A pursue into Kathi to trash the retreating troops is worth an effort.

To me it looks like there are only 4-5000 troops in Kathi and 1200 (support?) troops in Myit.
Most likely I don't need to send more than 1500 AV into Kathi to settle the issue.
It will take Andy too long to send reinforcements through the jungle.

There is no conceivable opposition around Lashio after we routed the large Chink Corps and sent it into the jungle
So I'm sending a tank regiment to race towards the dot base just sout of Myit and will send recons to Paoshan.
- Have 2 para units ready if weak spots are spotted.

Question: If Allied troops are forced out of Kathi, will they retreat towards Imphal or Myit?
Range is 3 hexes to both places. Update: There is actually a dot base 2 hexes from Kathi, if Allied troops retreat towards it they will be dooomed!

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 9:56:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB
Pros:
- Enemy is routed and can be pursued and defeated again
- Kathi and Myitikina can be captured and the enemy driven back to Imphal

Cons:
- Our troops suffered heavy disruption and fatigue after shock attacking
- The road towards Kathi is a slow secondary one
- The range from our main airbases will give an advantage to the enemy when it comes to CAP and ground attack
(On the other hand this may force Andy to commit his Air Force before he can take sustained casualties)

What does the Generals council think?


Hmmh, my modest advice is guided by the saying in your profile, and the thougths of people like Lee, Guderian, Rommel etc.: "audacity".
You scored two really nice victories now in short order, Palmyra and Shwebo. However, if you cannot follow up and expand, i.e. inflict more striking consequences on Andy, they will be actually more his victories than yours. The victories simply will "attrit" you. Think of Lee after Gettysburg, when engaging in the Overland campaign. He won tactical victory after tactical victory, but he knew if he could not rout Grant, and would be forced back on Richmond, it would be reduced to a mathematical problem.

I would consider pursuing and overtaking Andy with whatever forces you can muster in a satisfactory state. I am sure his forces must be worse off after a rout, and with his supply lines much much longer than yours, supply is probably also a major issue for his pals. I agree with your assessment, you might run into his 2nd line division, or whatever he had ordered to Schwebo as well, but now you have the change to beat part by part of his scattered forces separately. Perfect! If you can rout and destroy just a few of his units, then your victory will give you some fruits!
I would also look favorably forward to him using his air forces, esp. the 2E and 4E now and there. You gave him quite a show with your Tojo's in Zone 3, inflicting severe losses on his young air groups. You can inflict heavy casualties here too if he dares to use them again in an extended effort so early on. I think you would be winner in that presently.
Even if a pursuit will run into heavy resistance way out of Imphal (which I would not make my goal -- destroying his forces would be more valuable), you can still pull back to the favorable terrain around Shwebo.

My question is, what to do with KB and your naval assets meanwhile? I don't think they can help a lot with the Burma problem. I would think about some raiding activity that may support your ops. Indian ocean, or interdict the shipping lanes from the West Coast. If Andy's supply problems in AUS can be enhanced, an offensive on Darwin could probably be delayed further. Or maybe another audacious move? And brief invasion of Ceylon? NZ? Or a second strike on PH? Maybe that is too audacious, but I am sure Andy must have weaknesses somewhere by now that you could exploit....

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 10:32:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB
Question: If Allied troops are forced out of Kathi, will they retreat towards Imphal or Myit?
Range is 3 hexes to both places. Update: There is actually a dot base 2 hexes from Kathi, if Allied troops retreat towards it they will be dooomed!



A retreat to Imphal would make more sense IMO. The disadvantage of Myit is that you are further away from mutually supporting bases.
I´d consider it as a very exposed position as long as Japan owns Shwebo, Lashio and Katha (Which can be built up to a considerably large AB).

You could turn a retreat to Myit into a death trap, or at least fight him on from a favourable position compared to Imphal. You don´t need to take it,
just neutralize it. Defending from there will cost him quite a bit.

The only advantage I see for the Myit is that its not a march through the jungle but at least on a small road. So its faster and could buy him time to recover or reinforce.
Still I don´t think he can shift the balance of power fast enough that this makes a difference.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 10:40:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok just noted that you probably meant in which directien they are forced when you beat them back
at Katha. Sorry my bad. No idea. If its Bhano hes in deep trouble...

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 11:09:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Appreciate the input!

A pursuit has been ordered and plans can be adjusted according to how the initial phase goes (towards Katha).
- I assumed that Andy will try to hit our army in Shwebo with all he got so I put our entire fighter strength on CAP over Shwebo.
This means 250 fighters including ca 200 Tojos are protecting Shwebo. CAP altitude has been spread from 14 to 30k.

PS! Me and Andy agreed to limit fighter and bomber max height to 30k to avoid the stratosphere competition.
In real life little or no combat activity took place at altitudes over 30k feet.

You are right janh, our last victories have again placed the initiative firmly in our hands and this can be exploited.
The Fleet has returned to Rabaul and is ready for action but I need to fill up my fleet oilers.

Andy is concerned about raids from the Line Islands, very much so in fact and that's why he tried to recapture them.
A raid into the Central Pacific usually have to proceed north of Midway, but now we have the option of going south via the Line Islands.
- Moving the fleet to the Indian Ocean is also tempting since most British naval assets have been transferred to the Central Pacific.
The question is what a raid on Bombay and India would gain us and whether Andy would be able to make such good use of the freedom that this will
give him in the Pacific that it would negate the whatever successes we could achieve in India.

The constant activity of the Fleet is a huge drain on our fuel reserves though, so each and every sortie must be well founded and thought through.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 11:27:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Speedy

Hi guys,

One thing I woudl say though is that it did happen more than you think.....at least the shepherds losing the flock part....from reading the bloody shambles series there were several several times when fighters failed to meet up with bombers or even lost bombers in the adverse Burmese weather.



problem is that it seems that only one out of five missions actually is not screwed up it seems, taking all kind of missions together. Considering that I´m not trying to do 500 aircraft strikes but usually 50-75 you have to wonder what all has to go wrong if you want to launch 75 ac from a level 9 airfield to constantly see them screwing up something. The single squadron fighter sweeps are a good example for this, from what I´ve seen and experienced so far, in 99 out of 100 times, two squadrons of the same fighter type don´t coordinate on a sweep to the same target at 2 hexes range from a level 9 airfield for example. That makes me wonder why eg 32 Australian fighters wouldn´t be able to fly together to a target 90 miles away in real life. You can only to some extend compare the BoB with the war in the Pacific but with the "AE screw up airattacks routine" the BoB would have been over for the Germans within 7 days as there would be nothing left of the Luftwaffe I guess when attacking level 5-9 airfields stacked with fighters on Cap doing it the same way as in AE.


Guess it's something we'll have to keep an eye on.

I agree in terms of if it was 1 in 5 that went in as planned then something may not be right. However (I'm now tracking this in my game vs Faber) of the last 2 days on my PBEM both raids in northern Burma went off fine, escort met up. This was from Imphal, 2 hexes to target. All bombers and 2 x Hurri Sqnsmet fine.

I'll keep any eye on it my end too and keep reporting.

PzB - yes. Weather can have an effect on air co-ordination and whether a trike makes it or not. As it should IMO. This is why the likes of Burma (in particular) will have more haphazard/fubar'd strikes.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/21/2010 12:34:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmh, it would be interesting to know the convoy routes Andy presently uses to supply AUS.  And where the most interesting fuel and troop convoys transit... Is there any appreciable transfer from India to AUS to be expected, or do you think anything coming from that direction or Capetown now goes into the Burma campaign? 

Maybe your idea to use the Line islands as base for KB and strike deep and fast would be much better.  Maybe augmented by a couple of single CA or BB raiders going ahead while KB covers them undetected.  If you interdict his supply convoys to AUS effectively, Andy will likely be forced to delay operations against Darwin, Solomons etc., and more importantly, very surely be forced to engage the KB and its raiders, and the attack Line Islands, and both very quickly.   This way you would draw in his naval assets and CVs hopefully long before his 7/43 CV and CVL reinforcements arrive.  Sort of a Midway, but hopefully luckier!  And Andy would be forced to spread out his naval assets, subs and LBA to cover the East Pacific and US West Coast.  Sound to me like a serious of benefits you can reap now from the battle of Palmyra.

Your "mini mini" KB could harass the RN in the Indian ocean similarly effectively, and I don't think you need either of your naval air assets for covering operations since Andy will likely need some time to rebuild his amphibious attack divisions.  I would also assume he presently is reorganizing the forces no longer required in zone 3 and transfer artillery, engineer and some tank battalions/regiments to whatever staging base he uses for his Marines, likely PH.  Maybe there is a possibility to intercept some of his troop shipments as well?


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Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 7/21/2010 7:29:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your mobile forces alone, are too weak to pursue. You can do this with those Infantry Divisions, but...
forces are short on supply (4 of 7 mobile units are in RED!). Mandalay is low on supply. Shwebo have 20(!!!) supplies left (yup, you are short here 3*9759=30000!). And one of attacks in China was also low on supply, so all this construction, bombardments, and attacks, probably consumed most of supplies in Asia. You can plan something big, if there is supply convoy with 60k onboard, somewhere around Singapore. If not, wait. You must repair over 600 squads/equipment anyway.

I took a look at Allied planes replacements figures:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2354142
They are from first version of game, but I'm guessing they are close enough.
So...
Currently Allies have pretty constant replacements rate. Fighters next month begin bad phase of only 227, and will get small boost at the beginning of 1943 (to 300), then large boost from April (430, and 600 three months later).
Level bombers are constant, and they have just begun worst phase, since beginning of war (only 123).
As for B-17. That is all. No more, except from Europe, after end of hostilities (yup, 1945). So every shot down is irreplaceable.
You have now free reign for six months, and after that, only fighters will appear in greater number. So with good winds, Japan will win on points in 1943, still holding air supremacy.

Get larger bombers from China (they are not especially useful there anyway), and level whole Burma front into Middleage. Especially those retreating units, that would slow them even more.
Andy can muster even less bombers, than he used in Australia (so probably less, than 100), and since this was week ago, he do not got replacements. His fighters also did not got replacements, so bleed him dry.
And leave some rearguard on ground. Andy could plan the same thing, he just got at Lashio. Actually placing fighter unit at Shwebo, or Mandalay could catch his transports with troops AND SUPPLY. That last possibility is actually interesting idea. LRCAP his forces

Oh, and since all heavy ships are around Pearl Harbor, make some showtime with fleet. Like shelling whole east India Coast. You have at least two-three weeks, before Allied fleet will be in place.

In Nanning, probably at least one unit have most of its squads disabled, and AV in 10%. Move it to rest somewhere.

Where is Corps HQ? Where is Burma Area HQ? I don't see them in Shwebo attack. Army will get at least 50% more AV with them.
Chittagong have VERY DARK ground marker, so... any attempt to bombard there? Plus there are ships stationed in harbor.

And leave KB near Australia (and Allied CVs), maybe some deception with few CVE/Ls in India Ocean? What with this New Caledonia landing? That is, where Yamato could also contribute.


PS. With new rules, about supply loses in bombardment depending of gun caliber. How about visit of Yamato in India? You can leave with minimal fuel, and refuel at DEI.

PPS. If Guards Tank Division is the one, you could get no replacements... Mandalay is level 0 Port, and level 2 airfield, and low on supply. So exact opposite, what manual says about getting replacements (lots of large, and well supplied bases)

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 7/21/2010 8:35:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, there are many big convoys going from India to Oz and the other way around, just hard to catch.
A sub spotted a huge convoy outside of Karachi last turn, would have been nice to have some carriers to throw at them.
- It is possible to transfer Mini KB (1 CV, 2 CVL) to India but this would again cause a force dispersion.
A 6 carrier raid or sortie by the KB should however be plenty until 43.

Question in Oz is whether Andy is reorganizing his troops to move against Darwin or if he got other plans.
Need to recon his bases and keep a keen eye open here.

In 43 we should receive the Taiho and 3 Katsuragi's, that could keep us at carrier parity throughout the year.
44 will be the turning point and 45 will be a one way slide, 46 I don't want to think about

Hi inqistor, living up to your name I see

Yes, my armor is too weak to pursue alone even if I deployed the remaining units.
That's why the infantry has to slog along and take the brunt of enemy air attacks.

The forward bases are low on supplies, I have a HQ in Mandalay that was prepping for Shwebo but chose not to march it in with the troops.
It will rail in tomorrow and the plan is to draw supplies into both Mandalay and Shwebo.
- The Area Army HQ is in Rangoon and yes I have 2 convoys with 100k supplies already unloading at Rangoon or just a few days away.
I run regular supply convoys to Burma and China to keep up with consumption and I to get it to the frontline grunts.

The Guards Tank division is at full strength except for motorized support (50%). This takes years to fill
This division has not seen combat yet and is our spearhead but our troops are marching only 8 miles on the ****e roads.
So we need to bomb the enemy troops and Andy will no doubt return the favor.

I already have filled all the bases in Burma with fighters and bombers. What I lack is base forces and support units; shipped in 2 x 24 today
so it's growing steadily. A Provisional Base force to the rear can be brought forward but I like to have a second line of defense.

Interesting numbers; next turn saw a major A2A as most of Andy's fighters swept Swhebo. Both sides lost many fighters, but fighting over friendly turf
cost us only 15 pilots KIA. The number of Tojo's in the pools is shrinking though, heavy fighting in both Oz and Burma. Will get back to this in the next report tomorrow.
- We have an option here though; transfer in more Tojo's from Darwin and fight a battle of attrition with Andy and try to bleed him dry before his next gen fighters appear.

There will be further bombardments of Indian bases, transferring the Ise from Rabaul - sending the Kongo in return. Need firepower, not speed.

All units at Nanning are aroun 75% strength, marching in some more troops but will try one more attack before waiting.

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Quite an turn in the extreme!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 17, 42

ASW Attacks

A major convoy near Karachi!

ASW attack near Karachi at 39,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-32

Allied Ships
DD Decoy
PG Hindustan
AMC Chitral
TK Fenris
xAP Kelantan
xAP Aquitania
xAK Varela
xAK Uffington Court
xAK Trevilley
xAK Markhor
xAK Hadleigh
xAK Empire Rani
xAK Barjora
xAK Ikauna
xAK Gandara
xAKL Belray
DD Hotspur
DD Foxhound

SS I-32 launches 6 torpedoes at DD Decoy
I-32 bottoming out ....
DD Hotspur fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Foxhound fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Foxhound fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Foxhound fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Foxhound fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Foxhound fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

This was extreme; 22!!! Allied sweeps over Shwebo in Burma
Almost a bit surrealistic, but this shows how many ac Andy got. He used ca a 10-12 bases
that launched a couple of strikes each. In all 266 enemy fighters took part in the sweeps.

We had ca 120 CAP fighters in the air, less than I hoped for but some of the Zero's
and Tojo's didn't show up.

The first sweeps suffered quite heavy losses but then losses evened out and after 10
sweeps all of our fighters had left the airspace.

Total air losses for the day was something like 50 Jap ac against 60 Allied.
Fighting over our own bases saved many pilots, 15 were KIA and 9 WIA. Hopefully Allied
pilot losses were much higher.

We receive 160 Tojo's each month, so I'm game for a little battle of attrition over Burma now
as the odds are more in our favor than they ever will be again.
The challenge is the fact that we are facing so many Allied airfields and the further our troops
advance the more difficult it will be to support them as our rear area bases get out of range.

After this days air battles I stood LRCAP down over Shwebo and rested it at Magwe and moved some
units to Rangoon while moving a couple of bomber formations forward to strike Allied airfields.

Our best Army bomber at this time is the Helen II, it got armor and an extended range of 13 hexes.
It has only been in production for a short time and we don't have many of them yet.
The other units have a max range of 12 hexes and only the Lily II has armor.

Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 104

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 22 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead
21st Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Raid is overhead
50th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 19 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 22 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Raid is overhead
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 22 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Raid is overhead
203rd Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 10 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 19 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 76


Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 6 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 70

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 32,700 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 64

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane I Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 60

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 56

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 54

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 37

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 28

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 10

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Kittyhawk IA sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 24000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet
Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 5

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet
3 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 14000 feet *
3 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 14000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 31,700 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 16

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Hurricane I Trop sweeping at 29700 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 24000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
Kittyhawk IA x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 29000 feet *
2 x Kittyhawk IA sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 30,700 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hurricane I Trop sweeping at 29700 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 6
Hurricane IIc Trop x 7

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet *
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet *
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 12
Blenheim IV x 57
Hudson IIIa x 12
Hurricane IIa Trop x 8
Beaufort V x 12
Bolingbroke IV x 12

No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Bolingbroke IV bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Beaufort V bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Blenheim I bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Hudson IIIa bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x Blenheim IV bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 9

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Blenheim IV bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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This was our single strike on the forces routed north of Shwebo.
It was surprisingly successfull and our Nicks claimed numerous AVG and Aircobra fighters at
a low altitude and the bobmers hit their targets hard.

Morning Air attack on 5th Chinese Corps, at 60,44
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 29
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 39

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 12
P-39D Airacobra x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 3 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
33 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick sweeping at 5000 feet *

CAP engaged:
11th FG/41st FS CAF with H81-A3 (12 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
AVG/2nd Sqn with P-39D Airacobra (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 5th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 5th Chinese Corps ...
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Most of the bombers in Souther China has been tasked with reducing the defenders at
Nanning. This will take some time....

Morning Air attack on 52nd Chinese Corps, at 72,55 (Nanning)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 52nd Chinese Corps, at 72,55 (Nanning)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

This is a isolated Chinese Corps that I have to reduce.

Ground combat at 80,56
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7781 troops, 65 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 285
Defending force 2449 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 89

Japanese adjusted assault: 259
Allied adjusted defense: 268

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
162 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
17th/B Division
116th/B Division

Defending units:
50th Chinese Corps
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- Dwight D. Eisenhower

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 7/22/2010 7:28:02 AM   
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Air Combat

Again the numerous sweeps (18 raids and 232 fighters) come in, over Magwe this time.
Our CAP is much smaller as I've stood many units down.

These Spits started arriving 18 days ago, Andy is throwing them straight
into combat and 4 or 5 are shot down.

Since we are heavily outnumbered our losses are heavier today, ca 30 ac to 18 Allied.
12 Tojo's and some Sallies are destroyed on the ground when 76 4Es bomb the fields.
- We wouldn't have managed to stop those bombers even without a single sweep.

Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 37

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc Trop: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
11th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
64th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 23

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 9

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
P-38E Lightning x 6
P-38F Lightning x 5
P-38G Lightning x 5

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x P-38E Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
5 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
2 x Spitfire Vc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet *
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet *
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 30000 feet *
5 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
Kittyhawk IA x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 3

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 33,700 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 24

No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 20

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 10

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Kittyhawk IA sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 13

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 10

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 4

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x H81-A3 sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 49
B-17F Fortress x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 destroyed on ground

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 49
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

A reinforcement unit moved over the river and was forced to shock attack so I ordered
the other units to launch a supprting attack. Enemy strength is still formidabel despite
being surrounded and we suffer heavy casualties. Have to stand down and get the troops from
Kweilin plus reserves to help with this task.

Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 14893 troops, 122 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 514
Defending force 14416 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 495

Japanese adjusted assault: 290
Allied adjusted defense: 425

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1724 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 88 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 98 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
281 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
66th Infantry Regiment
12th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Militia Regiment
51st Recon Regiment
116th/A Division

Defending units:
31st Chinese Corps
52nd Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps
35th Group Army
9th Chinese Base Force
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

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