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RE: Kill em all! - 10/18/2011 8:06:52 PM   
traskott


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From: Valladolid, Spain
Status: offline 		Lots of ships at P.H.

Well....it's Apr 03 of 1944, allied player have LOT of ships everywhere !!!!

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/18/2011 8:11:11 PM   
PzB74


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From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		Buna has held out longer than I thought possible already, the Americal div is being worn down.
All xtra turns we hold is a bonus....

An intel report lets you see the firts 10? ship types in a harbour. What good does that do you when there are 500+ ships reported in harbour.
If there are numerous CVE's the carriers usually ain't too far away, Andy can't afford to split his CVEs from his CVs anymore.

Yes by all means, but he may also get stuck in the middle of the jungle when the monsoon hits and supplies are halved...
We can pull back from Moulmein, or defend in force accordingly to what is favorable. Getting obsessed with single bases isn't a good thing; let's see how things develop!


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RE: Kill em all! - 10/18/2011 10:02:54 PM   
pauk


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bah!

He can defend Moulmein. Lol, i hope....

how many troops you have at:

a) Raehang
b) Chiang Mai

You can use troops from both bases ive mentioned with one simpe goal:

cutting off Andy's main force from supply hub (Pegu-Rangoon).

Hmph, i would throw all available units for defending Moulmein. If M. falls than all your units north from M.-Rahaeng defensive line (Geisha line IIRC ) are cut off. And what is even more important, the whole theatre would fall apart, im afraid :/

if only Japanese are allowed to use swagger sticks...

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/18/2011 10:50:10 PM   
PzB74


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From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		Yep, Allies have ships everywhere but I think the show near PM and Ceylon are diversions and the Andy Fleet is probably in Central Pacific.
That's my guess...

We now have 3000 AV at Moulmein, 2000 at Rahang - Bangkok, 1500 in Malaya and 2000 at or near Chiang Mai (need time to march in).
I wish to fight a flexible battle taking advantage of terrain; if Andy wants to fight here I need to move 3000 AV to Rahaeng, keep the 3000 at Moulmein and have reserves situated at Bankok - Chiang Mai.
- With 1 infantry army in Moulmein and a flexible mechanized army near Rahaeng it should be possible to at least hold.

I also believe it's possible with a 6-8000 AV army to pose such a threat to enemy flanks even if Moulmein has to be abandoned.
But we need to draw a line in the jungle now soon; until now we've been withdrawing since Andy has been able to bypass and outmanouver our positions in Central Burma.

The side that makes most mistakes will taste the swagger stick


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RE: Kill em all! - 10/20/2011 7:39:12 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Lots of action!

Heayv air attacks on Buna; we order our bombers to hit back but they all stay home.
Our navy bombards but there is something wrong with the routine; 3-4 attempts and no casualties inflicted on enemy units
in our own base hexes with full detection levels and use of nigh spotters.

Andy add para's to his attack on Buna and the base finally falls.
Our next line in the jungle is Salamua; it has a full strength regiment and 4 forts.
The small base west of Salamua is bombed heavily.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 04, 44

Sub Attacks

Sub will survive but it's almost not worth attacking enemy convoys anymore.

ASW attack near Noumea at 112,160

Japanese Ships
SS I-173, hits 10, heavy damage

Allied Ships
LST-120
LST-43
xAP Cape Cod
xAK Michael Goulandris
DE William C. Miller

SS I-173 is sighted by escort
I-173 diving deep ....
DE William C. Miller fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE William C. Miller fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE William C. Miller attacking submerged sub ....
DE William C. Miller fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE William C. Miller attacking submerged sub ....
DE William C. Miller is out of ASW ammo
DE William C. Miller is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub
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Bombardments

Night Naval bombardment of Buna at 99,129

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya
CL Kitakami
CL Isuzu
DD Hayate
DD Asakaze
DD Mutsuki
DD Oboro
DD Shikinami

E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for CA Suzuya
CA Suzuya firing at Americal Infantry Division
CL Kitakami firing at Americal Infantry Division
CL Isuzu firing at Americal Infantry Division
DD Hayate firing at Americal Infantry Division
DD Asakaze firing at Americal Infantry Division
DD Mutsuki firing at Americal Infantry Division
DD Oboro firing at Americal Infantry Division
DD Shikinami firing at Americal Infantry Division
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Buna , at 99,129
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 53
B-25G Mitchell x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 7
Port supply hits 3
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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Garrison Unit , at 99,129 (Buna)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 7
Spitfire VIII x 9
PV-1 Ventura x 15
A-24B Banshee x 6
B-25D1 Mitchell x 25
B-25G Mitchell x 3
B-25H Mitchell x 5
P-39N1 Airacobra x 15

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
135 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Also attacking 9th Garrison Unit /1 ...
Also attacking 16th Garrison Unit ...
Also attacking 18th Garrison Unit /1 ...
Also attacking 9th RF Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 18th Garrison Unit /1 ...
Also attacking 9th Garrison Unit /1 ...
Also attacking 16th Garrison Unit ...
Also attacking 18th Garrison Unit /1 ...
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Afternoon Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 38
B-24J Liberator x 61

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 42
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Buna (99,129)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 9888 troops, 214 guns, 198 vehicles, Assault Value = 301
Defending force 5801 troops, 66 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 130

Allied adjusted assault: 90
Japanese adjusted defense: 27

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Buna !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2084 casualties reported
Squads: 43 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 139 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 30 (30 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (24 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 7
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
Americal Infantry Division
1st Australian Para Bn /1

Defending units:
9th Garrison Unit /1
16th Garrison Unit
18th Garrison Unit /1
9th RF Gun Battalion
15th AA Rgt /1
6th JNAF AF Unit
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
11th JAAF Base Force /1
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Next turn:

Almost every Allied medium bomber in Burma hits Moulmein!
Our troops and base suffer only slight damage while over 50 Allied ac are claimed by AA units.

Seems like we were right; the first 110k enemy troops were followed by another 200k Allied troops from Pegu.
If we had stayed we would now have been tasting the swagger stick.

As it stands the situation is very tense: 320k enemy troops north of Moulmein means a major attack is imminent.
By the time these troops can cross the river and shock attack we will have 3000 AV and 3 forts in place.
- This is roughly ~35% or so of the number of troops brought by Andy. We also have 3 Army HQs including the Burma Area Army in place.
Our prep levels range from 20-30 -> 90s.

2 tank divisions are now east of Rahaeng and will provide valuable support if required.
I have ordered 5 more divisions in Malaya and Bangok to move north. We need to ride this one out!

The good news is that we don't have any supply problems anymore; I've unloaded 300k supplies and moved the Souther Area Army to Bangkok.

Question: The Southern Area Army has a command range of 5 hexes.
Is it worth moving it out of Bangkok and within range of Moulmein, will it provide worthwhile support?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 05, 44

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 11th Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 28

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 10 damaged
Beaufighter TF.X: 4 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 11th Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 7
Hurricane IIc Trop x 21

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet IV: 3 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 18 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 4 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Hurricane IIc Trop bombing from 100 feet
7 x Martlet IV bombing from 100 feet

Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Fulmar II x 12
Beaufort I x 10
Blenheim IV x 12
Spitfire VIII x 9
A-20G Havoc x 107
A-36 Mustang x 15
B-25C Mitchell x 10
P-38H Lightning x 12
P-39D Airacobra x 12
P-39N1 Airacobra x 12
P-40N5 Warhawk x 53
P-40N26 Warhawk x 7
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 26

Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar II: 1 damaged
Beaufort I: 1 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 8 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 1 destroyed by flak
A-36 Mustang: 13 damaged
A-36 Mustang: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd RTA/C Division ...
Also attacking 7th RTA/B Division ...
Also attacking 15th Army ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 1st JAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 4th Shipping Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 40th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 48th Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd RTA/C Division ...
Also attacking 7th RTA/B Division ...
Also attacking 40th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 2nd RTA/C Division ...
Also attacking 7th RTA/B Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd RTA/C Division ...
Also attacking 7th RTA/B Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 47th Infantry Regiment, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 71

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 27 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 9 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Hurricane IIc Trop bombing from 100 feet
15 x Hurricane IIc Trop bombing from 100 feet
16 x Hurricane IIc Trop bombing from 100 feet
6 x Hurricane IIc Trop bombing from 100 feet
14 x Hurricane IIc Trop bombing from 100 feet

Also attacking 28th Army ...
Also attacking 21st Army ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 47th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 28th Army ...
Also attacking 21st Army ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 41st Air Defense AA Regiment, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
Fulmar II x 18


Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar II: 3 damaged
Fulmar II: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Fulmar II bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x Fulmar II bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking Burma Area Army ...
Also attacking 11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 35
B-24J Liberator x 58

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 31
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 8
B-17F Fortress x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Invasions

The enemy division at Merauke is not up to its task and another regiment is landed.
We had 60 fighters and 100 naval bombers standing by to attack. No one attacked....

Pre-Invasion action off Merauke (89,124)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

29 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Ceres
CL Dauntless
PG Charleston
LCI-436
LCI-435
LST-335
LST-39
LST-41

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Merauke (89,124)

TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Merauke, 89,124

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Merauke (89,124)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2962 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 138
Defending force 12058 troops, 197 guns, 179 vehicles, Assault Value = 358

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
16th Naval Guard Unit
4th South Seas Gsn
2nd Ind.Mixed Rgt /1
2nd Raiding Rgt /1
13th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
53rd (Sep) Infantry Regiment
4th Australian Division
10 RAAF Base Force
10th RAAF M/W Sqn
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Burma





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RE: Kill em all! - 10/21/2011 7:31:03 AM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		why is Andy using fighter bombers at 100ft to attack a target that is defended by 80% of the IJ AA units? So many times Andy just makes me wonder.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/21/2011 9:22:06 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		3 possibilities:
- Andy underestimated or AA defenses, hasn't exactly scared him before.
- FBs were set to low altitude by mistake
- He wanted an all out effort as his army is marching south

Another action packed turn!

I suspected that if Andy wants to attack Moulmein he would immediately march the 330k army south.
To be prepared for the first assault I needed a slight delay to get 2 fresh divisions into Moulmein (850 AV that will boost the total to 3250, 2 tank divisions are 2-3 hexes away).
- To achieve this and check if enemy army actually is marching south I ordered 150 medium bombers to hit the army from 9k feet.

I ordered a large number of fighters to both sweep and escort the bombers.
In well known Jap FUBAR air attack style most of the bombers stayed home with 3 groups going in individually despite being coordinated by 3 Air HQs and all set to same altitude.

Our fighters went in though, and they met a very strong CAP 3 hexes away from Rangoon.
A fierce air battle claimed large number of victims. I used an old tactic to cushion our losses this time; 60 outdated Oscar IIs with green pilots were sent in together with the more capable
and experienced fighters. So if we disregard Oscar losses the results were ok even though I didn't see such a massive battle over enemy turf.

The bombers that did hit the enemy inflicted more casualties than they would have if the enemy units were in combat mode; exactly this was the point of our attack.
- Attacks on LCUs in move mode switch them over into combat mode and the combined stack movement order can either be delayed or become uncoordinated.

Hopefully we achieved this.

In the Central Pacific a familiar sighting was made heading towards Palmyra.
Would be typical Andy tactic to go back here at the same time as he's attacking in Burma and Southern New Guinea.
- I welcome another round here but let's see what happens!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 06, 44

Sub Attacks

Convoy coming down towards Ceylon. Our subs are merely scouts now.

ASW attack near Calicut at 28,38

Japanese Ships
SS I-170, hits 9

Allied Ships
AS Colombia
AS Sperry
AD Black Hawk
AGP Sirius
AGP Krakatau
AG Deneb
YMS BYMS-2205
YMS BYMS-2204
YMS BYMS-2059
YMS BYMS-2044
DE Sutlej
KV Chilliwack
KV Timmins
PC Kimball

SS I-170 is sighted by escort
DE Sutlej attacking submerged sub ....
KV Chilliwack fails to find sub and abandons search
KV Timmins fails to find sub and abandons search
PC Kimball attacking submerged sub ....
DE Sutlej fails to find sub and abandons search
PC Kimball fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Kimball fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Kimball fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Kimball fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Kimball attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 14th Army, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 31
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 65
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 10
Hurricane IIc Trop x 30
Spitfire Vc Trop x 8
P-38H Lightning x 13
P-39D Airacobra x 12
P-39N1 Airacobra x 12
P-40N5 Warhawk x 38
P-40N26 Warhawk x 8
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 42
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 11 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 11 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 14th Army, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 23
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 39
Ki-84a Frank x 26

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 10
Hurricane IIc Trop x 20
Spitfire Vc Trop x 5
P-38H Lightning x 9
P-39D Airacobra x 3
P-39N1 Airacobra x 8
P-40N5 Warhawk x 29
P-40N26 Warhawk x 6
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 33
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet IV: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 2 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 14th Army, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 30
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 6
Hurricane IIc Trop x 10
Spitfire Vc Trop x 5
P-38H Lightning x 9
P-39N1 Airacobra x 8
P-40N5 Warhawk x 20
P-40N26 Warhawk x 6
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 14th Army, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 96 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 39
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 13
Ki-84a Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 6
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
Spitfire Vc Trop x 4
P-38H Lightning x 6
P-39N1 Airacobra x 4
P-40N5 Warhawk x 17
P-40N26 Warhawk x 3
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 21
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 4 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
2 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
2 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 14th Army, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 48 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 7

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 4
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
P-38H Lightning x 4
P-39N1 Airacobra x 4
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7
P-40N26 Warhawk x 2
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 14
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
1 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 19th Indian Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 1
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 27
Ki-84a Frank x 2

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
P-38H Lightning x 3
P-39N1 Airacobra x 2
P-40N5 Warhawk x 4
P-40N26 Warhawk x 2
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 8
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 4 destroyed, 16 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 25th Indian Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 111 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 18
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 25
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
P-38H Lightning x 3
P-39N1 Airacobra x 2
P-40N5 Warhawk x 4
P-40N26 Warhawk x 2
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 7
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 2 destroyed by flak
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 25th Indian Division, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 27

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 1
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1
P-38H Lightning x 1
P-40N5 Warhawk x 2
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 13 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 11th Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Blenheim VD x 3
PV-1 Ventura x 5
B-25D1 Mitchell x 23
P-38H Lightning x 12
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40N5 Warhawk x 30
P-40N26 Warhawk x 7
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 49
PV-1 Ventura x 24

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 3 damaged
Blenheim VD: 1 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 7 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 12 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Army ...
Also attacking 47th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th RTA/B Division ...
Also attacking Burma Area Army ...
Also attacking 28th Army ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 28th Army ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 47th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th RTA/B Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 28th Army ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 1st Provisional Base Force, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 8
Vengeance I x 21
B-25C Mitchell x 3
P-40N5 Warhawk x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 14 damaged
Vengeance I: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Vengeance I releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
7 x Vengeance I releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
7 x Vengeance I releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x Vengeance I releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 1st Provisional Base Force ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 13
PV-1 Ventura x 3
Spitfire VIII x 9
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 37
B-24J Liberator x 21
P-40N5 Warhawk x 24

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 12
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 3
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 7
B-24J Liberator x 40
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Runway hits 6
Port hits 1
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1
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Morning Air attack on 2nd RTA/C Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 4
A-20G Havoc x 95

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 15th Army ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 40th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd RTA/C Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 15th Army ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 40th JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd RTA/C Division ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 15th Army ...
Also attacking 26th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 40th JNAF AF Unit ...
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Morning Air attack on 9th Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 14

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 9th Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 9

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 51 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 8
P-39D Airacobra x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 14th Army, at 56,54 , near Moulmein
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 13

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 1
P-38H Lightning x 1
P-40N5 Warhawk x 1
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet

CAP engaged:
AVG/1st Sqn with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-38H Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
81st FG/92nd FS with P-40N5 Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
58th FG/311th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
No.896 Sqn FAA with Martlet IV (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
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RE: Kill em all! - 10/22/2011 8:13:30 AM   
inqistor


Posts: 1813
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Status: offline 		So... how much troops do you need to land at Pegu?
Seriously, you have to stand and fight. Even if Allies currently are desperately short on supplies in Burma, they have either wait, and rot, or they can march, and try to outflank you, so you just let them maneuver, without any gains.
There is rail line to Chiang Mai, so you should plan to use it for troops movement.

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
Sub will survive but it's almost not worth attacking enemy convoys anymore.

ASW attack near Noumea at 112,160

Japanese Ships
SS I-173, hits 10, heavy damage

Allied Ships
LST-120
LST-43
xAP Cape Cod
xAK Michael Goulandris
DE William C. Miller

SS I-173 is sighted by escort
I-173 diving deep ....
DE William C. Miller fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE William C. Miller fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE William C. Miller attacking submerged sub ....
DE William C. Miller fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE William C. Miller attacking submerged sub ....
DE William C. Miller is out of ASW ammo
DE William C. Miller is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub

The "convoy" had exactly ONE escort. Talking about "Japanese Super E's"
And obviously AAMGs are working just fine, the problem seems to be with guns only.

quote:

Question: The Southern Area Army has a command range of 5 hexes.
Is it worth moving it out of Bangkok and within range of Moulmein, will it provide worthwhile support?

According to manual, when your LCU are within range of Corps HQ, you need them to be within range of TWICE of Area HQ, to get full bonus. Burma Area Army should be enough, and Bangkok is also in range, as long as you have Corps HQ in hex.

quote:

I used an old tactic to cushion our losses this time; 60 outdated Oscar IIs with green pilots were sent in together with the more capable and experienced fighters.

What are the statistics of "green"? You should aim at 60, because this seems to be cap for fastest training.

Have you checked already, what is your best fighter currently? It seems Franks are nothing special. Compare units loses with kill claims to get better estimation.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/22/2011 8:28:18 AM   
pauk


Posts: 4162
Joined: 10/21/2001
From: Zagreb,Croatia
Status: offline 		Hey, there are a lot of swagger sticks marching towards Moulmein. Yes, you have to make stand there and fight. And stop Andy...

Everyone talks about monsoons, when they start and whats their effect on game (attacks etc...) ?

Will you commit KB against that conwoy in Pacific? It could be just another supply or troop conwoy right? So that could be nice and juicy target. If not, well, that all depends about your air strength at Line islands.... I recall that ive spanked Andy's CVs in 1943 (or it was 1944?) at Marshalls but i had enormous support for KB from island AFs, a lot of finest IJ AF fighters and pilots (georges, franks..).

If not, i would not go in direct CVs vs CVs clash, but im sure that you know that.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/22/2011 10:56:18 AM   
janh

 

Posts: 1216
Joined: 6/12/2007
Status: offline 		My feel is that Monsoon effects are not as dramatic, and will not be enough to force Andy to pause now that he has gotten there. Supply routes are now short and good (primary roads, railroads) compared to the non-existing links between India and the Burmese basin.  That Andy will keep pushing doesn't strike me as a surprise, but the way to reach any place that would affect the japanese HI is far. He will probably probe the flanks before crossing the river into Moulmein directly, otherwise he will face a nasty shock attack, no??? Or would he be so bold to hope for a lucky toss of the dice? He has had bad luck for a long time, so it must come sometime...

Andy might be going mid-term for Saigon and Singapore, maybe to support or cover simultaneous invasions on Java and Sumatra, which would cut oil and fuel resources in half. 
Near term, he might be satisfied with Bangkok and bases around: his 4EBs should essentially neutralize the DEI and SRA. Once he reaches the line Victoria Point-Battambang, his B-24, extended range max 20, can even strike Singapore. Already from Bangkok, the B-29, normal range 28 and ext'd 35, can reach anything from Hongkong, Takao, Manila, Balikpapan, Miri, Oosthaven, Palembang... That would be a lot of bases that suddenly would have to be stacked with CAP, and even without such long-legged escorts, Andy could use the B-29s to essentially sweep your facilities. I would especially worry about day and night port attacks on your large bases, Singapore, Hongkong, etc -- 4EB on port strike are quite good to cripple the IJN.

I am all in favor of considering a direct strike on Pegu, maybe a pincer movement from Chiang Mei and an amphibious raid. If you can isolate the 330k army, it still may be too much to swallow, but perhaps you catch Andy risking his air transports during resupply runs, and nipple away at the edges without too high casualties. Perhaps more. It would all depend on what Andy leaves in the rear, i.e. Rangoon and the Burma basin, that he could quickly detach to reopen the supply routes using brute force. At least something that could be worth considering, especially if the bulk of his navy now would show at the Line Islands.

How were your pilot losses in the last turn?  What level of pilots and how many 70+ fighter jockeys do you have in your Frank and George outfits there? Just curious, my impression in the past weeks was also that the Franks are quite good, but still notably inferior to the Georges.

Have you set your sub-TFs to lower threat ratings for picket duty? I never tried that. Late war the Jap subs are merely an annoyance to force the Allied to detach ASW units.

Seems you'll have at least one, perhaps two big parties at hand...


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RE: Kill em all! - 10/22/2011 2:47:11 PM   
PaxMondo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk

Everyone talks about monsoons, when they start and whats their effect on game (attacks etc...) ?


IIRC, Andy and Pzb have a house rule about no attacks in monsoon season ...

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/22/2011 5:04:39 PM   
pauk


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Status: offline 		thx Pax, didnt know about that. Is there any other advantage/disadvantage with those monsoons?

Janh,

I think that PzB is in very good position. Never understood Andy's oppsesion with Burma Theatre (or its better to say with Commonwealth theatre) but i guess it has something with his nationality

IMHO, that is exactly best strategy for - Japan. As long as Allies commit armees there, they dont attack the soft spots of Japan's defensive perimeter. I wont get any details, since Aliied boys lurking here . As you had point, the main concerns for our Imperial FBs is that our oilfields can be threaten... but thats the risk we have to take. I have no problem with B29's attacking HK, MAnila, Takao, but I DO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ATTACKING OUR OIL RESOURCES!!!

I do not know a lot of new A2A model (didnt touch WiTP for three years i think), but 100-200 finest george and frank pilots can distract Swagger sticks from deep space strikes, i hope, lol.

as you may see guys (pic attached) i do belive that PzB can buy several months (until the end of the 44 at least!) before he must give up from Malaya and Singapore.






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RE: Kill em all! - 10/22/2011 8:29:46 PM   
traskott


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Status: offline 		Andy pressed at Burma because he was defeated by PzB ina Carrier Battle, and this (Burma) is the only theatre where CV is not required to advance.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/22/2011 8:39:31 PM   
PaxMondo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk

I think that PzB is in very good position. ... as you may see guys (pic attached) i do belive that PzB can buy several months (until the end of the 44 at least!) before he must give up from Malaya and Singapore.


I absolutely agree.

Pzb is in great shape and Burma is a complete sideshow. Barring a mistake or a series of terrible rolls, nothing in this area is going to impact the end game.

PzB needs to keep watch on the Pacific and the PI. The only way Andy can get to the HI fast enough to avoid an allied defeat is one of those two routes. He does not have game time left to move overland from Burma.

We're getting close to where Andy should be showing up with an invasion force that will tip his hand as to how he is going to approach the HI. I don't think he has the forces any more to support 2 drives, and maybe not even enough for a real feint. He can't afford to lose any amphib op now ... he has to bring the hammer every single time. That means everything: CV's, 4E's, BB's ... all of it.

PzB just needs to upset Andy's timetable one or two more times and game over ... not necessarily even sink ships, just cause an amphib op to fail ... Andy will run out of time .... Andy's got have all of his troops prepping now for each future amphib. He won't have backup's. So, cause one amphib to fail and he will be 60 days before he can have troops prepped again ... it's like the IJ expansion in '42 now for Andy. Tight timetable and constricted ability to recover due to time.

BANZAI!!!!

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 12:48:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk

I think that PzB is in very good position. ... as you may see guys (pic attached) i do belive that PzB can buy several months (until the end of the 44 at least!) before he must give up from Malaya and Singapore.


I absolutely agree.

Pzb is in great shape and Burma is a complete sideshow. Barring a mistake or a series of terrible rolls, nothing in this area is going to impact the end game.

PzB needs to keep watch on the Pacific and the PI. The only way Andy can get to the HI fast enough to avoid an allied defeat is one of those two routes. He does not have game time left to move overland from Burma.

We're getting close to where Andy should be showing up with an invasion force that will tip his hand as to how he is going to approach the HI. I don't think he has the forces any more to support 2 drives, and maybe not even enough for a real feint. He can't afford to lose any amphib op now ... he has to bring the hammer every single time. That means everything: CV's, 4E's, BB's ... all of it.

PzB just needs to upset Andy's timetable one or two more times and game over ... not necessarily even sink ships, just cause an amphib op to fail ... Andy will run out of time .... Andy's got have all of his troops prepping now for each future amphib. He won't have backup's. So, cause one amphib to fail and he will be 60 days before he can have troops prepped again ... it's like the IJ expansion in '42 now for Andy. Tight timetable and constricted ability to recover due to time.

BANZAI!!!!


I agree completely, Its a difficult time for Japan and PxB is once again playing it superbly. Andys ue of air is a bit of a mystery to me. Allies really should have air dominance by now and the fact he used fighters on ground attack is wasteful until the skies are clear of the Japs.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 12:51:54 AM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
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From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		Thx for the input and discussions all!

Yes, no doubt we have reached our stand in Burma now! My mama always said that I shouldn't pick fights I couldn't win...so I've been trying to avoid just that!-)
We now have 3250 AV in Moulmein and 750 more in the form of 2 tank divisions are 2 days march away.

When I say green they're just out of fligh school with high 30 low 40 air combat skill.
Got 10k pilots int the pools now...need to get rid of some cause they're ruining the Empire's economy

No, not tried reduced aggressiveness settings for subs, can try but I thought it was Captains aggression rating that triggered an attack...
...and if first spotted or attacking there's no easy way out?

George fighters is a bit better than Frank me thinks but it really depends on pilot quality.
In yesterday's fight we lost 50 KIA and 50 MIA - today we barely lost 2-3. Fighting over enemy turf is devastating for pilot losses.

Nice screen Pauk-San!
Today we lost 2 Mavis search planes to the Allied fleet moving towards Palmyra, obviously we got carriers and incoming bogeys!
It could be a decoy but I can't quite see that Andy is ready for a major adventure anywere else either.
Question is whether it's worth sending KB to Line Islands well into 1944. Let Andy spill his guts trying to reduce the place?

With 8000 AV in theatre I hope to be able to stall Allies throughout 1944, but most likely we'll be forced to give ground over time.

Also, I thought we have a house rule but Andy says we don't. The only reason why fighting stops in Burma during monsoon is the 50% reduction in supply flow.
So if he's able to keep supplies flowing (of which I have no doubt) the war will just grind on...

Ok, today's turn!
We have to investigate this turn, I've been talking to Andy and we have ageed to send the turn to Michael for analysis.

Scenario: Andy ordered an all out sweep of Pisanlouke with 400 fighters from Rangoon and follow up by heavy bombing mission.
Result: All Allied fighters stayed home and didn't sweep (Rangoon shrouded in, but bombers still flew).
- The 160 bombers and 30 escort fighters from Rangoon - Pegu area hit Pisanlouke, but we defended with 200 Franks and George's.
The CAP had 30+ min warning time and I expected massacre.

What happened? Another battle like the carrier battle were we flew through Andy's CAP.
After gunning down some bombers and escorts the bombers suddenly slipped through and nuked Pisanlouke.
The 160 bombers caused 100 / 97 damage.

While losses were rather light, we lost some 20 transports and 20 fighters, I was very disheartened by the fact that 200 crack fighters
can't stop 160 meds and 4Es from closing a major base complex. This isn't real!!

Also: when I tried railing the air units our of Pisanlouke they refused...I had a unit of only damaged transports and this unit was allowed to rail out.
What has happened here, always been able to rail air units out of a base We need to look into this as well.

Andy has promised not to bomb Pisanlouke again next turn so I don't have to withdraw all units for 60 days to avoid them being destroyed.
This is fair play from Andy! but as mentioned, something is cheesy here....


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 07, 44

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 159
Ki-84a Frank x 43

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Blenheim VD x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 5
PV-1 Ventura x 6
B-17E Fortress x 11
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 23
B-24J Liberator x 23
B-25C Mitchell x 9
B-25D1 Mitchell x 24
B-25H Mitchell x 11
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40N5 Warhawk x 13
P-40N26 Warhawk x 8
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 25
PV-1 Ventura x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 40 damaged
N1K1-J George: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 9 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed on ground
L3Y2 Tina: 9 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-56 Thalia: 5 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 2 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
PV-1 Ventura: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40N26 Warhawk: 4 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 68
Airbase supply hits 18
Runway hits 188

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-25H Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
S-901 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 10 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
11 planes vectored on to bombers
S-301 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 16 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
15 planes vectored on to bombers
281 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 18 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
16 planes vectored on to bombers
S-602 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 15 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
19 planes vectored on to bombers
11th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 26 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
23 planes vectored on to bombers
S-320 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 19 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
17 planes vectored on to bombers
S-324 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 17 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
23 planes vectored on to bombers
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Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 154
Ki-84a Frank x 40

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Hirano S. in a N1K1-J George makes head on attack ... forces B-24J Liberator out of formation
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Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 152
Ki-84a Frank x 38

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 3
B-17F Fortress x 6
B-24J Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 132
Ki-84a Frank x 34

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Air Combat over Pisanlouke





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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 1:01:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thx Rob, we're just going with the flow now! Andy does have air superiority as his 4Es can level any base he wish.
The use of Hurries as low level fighter bombers is perhaps ok if he got lots of other fighters units to perform A2A?


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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 1:13:28 AM   
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Got 10k pilots int the pools now...need to get rid of some cause they're ruining the Empire's economy

I thought only pilots in the "schools" cost HI. Once they graduate and in the pool, do they still cost? Not sure on this one ...


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ORIGINAL: PzB
George fighters is a bit better than Frank me thinks but it really depends on pilot quality.

Gun power has a quality of its own ... and George has those lovely 4x20mm. Some will say its a game engine thing, but pilots that I know say the more gun up front the better ... so I think the engine has gotten this aspect spot on (WTG Elf!!!)



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ORIGINAL: PzB
In yesterday's fight we lost 50 KIA and 50 MIA - today we barely lost 2-3. Fighting over enemy turf is devastating for pilot losses.

Yep, and it will be in your favor for the balance of the game ... defense mostly with a little offense ...


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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 11:06:46 AM   
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Thx for the input and discussions all!

No, not tried reduced aggressiveness settings for subs, can try but I thought it was Captains aggression rating that triggered an attack...
...and if first spotted or attacking there's no easy way out?


Thx to you and Andy for giving us a great AAR to discuss in first place! It's much like reading the daily newspaper...

I never played with threat tolerance for sub TFs so far, just never had the idea before you mentioned the picket duty. Will have to, if they still sight but disengage before detection or engagement, they would again be valuable assets late war. For surface combat TFs I usually play with the tolerance settings to make up for the low leader aggressiveness ratings, or to dampen the spitfires a bit. For example putting Tanaka in a surface combat TF and raising threat tolerance beyond normal can be suicidal, as I recently learned all over again. He found more than one Allied SCTF, and engaged relentless despite all main batteries and torpedo stations having run dry. Almost cost me Musashi and 2 CA, the little bugger.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 11:15:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB
George fighters is a bit better than Frank me thinks but it really depends on pilot quality.

Gun power has a quality of its own ... and George has those lovely 4x20mm. Some will say its a game engine thing, but pilots that I know say the more gun up front the better ... so I think the engine has gotten this aspect spot on (WTG Elf!!!)


Not sure about that... N1K might/should be better against bombers for sure but Ki-84 is so much faster it should definitely be better than N1K against fighters at least until the service rate 2 N1K2-J which PzB doesnt have yet. We here probably see difference in pilot quality and air unit leader stats plus PzB might deploy those 2 fighters differently.

As you can see Ki-84 has only marginally lower MVR while it climbs somewhat better and is considerably faster. Speed advantage is +29, which similar to what Ki-44 enjoys over Ki-43-IIb(+35mph) and Zero M5(+25mph)...




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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 3:03:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
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ORIGINAL: PzB
George fighters is a bit better than Frank me thinks but it really depends on pilot quality.

Gun power has a quality of its own ... and George has those lovely 4x20mm. Some will say its a game engine thing, but pilots that I know say the more gun up front the better ... so I think the engine has gotten this aspect spot on (WTG Elf!!!)


Not sure about that... N1K might/should be better against bombers for sure but Ki-84 is so much faster it should definitely be better than N1K against fighters at least until the service rate 2 N1K2-J which PzB doesnt have yet. We here probably see difference in pilot quality and air unit leader stats plus PzB might deploy those 2 fighters differently.

As you can see Ki-84 has only marginally lower MVR while it climbs somewhat better and is considerably faster. Speed advantage is +29, which similar to what Ki-44 enjoys over Ki-43-IIb(+35mph) and Zero M5(+25mph)...




Yep, read all the stats and know them. BUT, in the game (and IRL) firepower is a HUGE thing.

PzB's experience is exactly the same as mine. Now the REALLY good thing: Frank is IJA and George in IJN so you will get both and be able to fly both in combat. You can then draw your own opinion. Watch the replays carefully. What you see is when a George gets a shot, the target is hurt bad at a minimum. Each George attack removes on allied a/c (either a kill or a withdrawal due to damage) improving the overall odds each time. Its a big deal in the replays. You won't see that happen with any other plane, except some of the Hurri's.

PS: If the Frank had a 4x20mm version ... JFB dream machine.


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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 3:30:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The 10k pilots show a monthly cost of 50k HI...so most likely they're still in the pools or still counted as in training!?
Will try subs with low threat tolerance and see what happens!

If our fighters get "the dive" they're superior to their opponents no matter whether they're a Frank or a George.
Also, if they get into range of bombers they get 1 shot...so yes, heavy fire power is very important! The 4x30mm of the Me-262 + 12 rockets would be perfect!-)

Have anyone here tested the SAM fighter in number on KB carriers?
Should eat Hellcats for breakfast... Guess US carrier fighters will be upgrading to Bearcats in late 45 though.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 08, 44

Air Combat

Allies loose 10+ ac to flak over Moulmein each day and the bombers really doesn't make much of an impact.
Since we have plenty supplies, dozens of units, adequate support and lots of AA guns it's a solid stand.
- Tomorrow 2 tank divisions move in, bringing our total AV to 4000. That should be enough!

Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Blenheim VD x 3
Liberator GR.III x 4
Spitfire VIII x 12
PV-1 Ventura x 6
A-20G Havoc x 85
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 6
B-24D1 Liberator x 14
B-24J Liberator x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 23
B-25H Mitchell x 11
P-40N5 Warhawk x 38
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 38
PV-1 Ventura x 9

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 1 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 2 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 11 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 1 destroyed by flak
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 3 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 33
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 1

Also attacking 11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 48th Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 3rd Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 1st Provisional Base Force, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-36 Mustang x 12
P-40N5 Warhawk x 21
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 12
PV-1 Ventura x 17

Allied aircraft losses
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 10 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
PV-1 Ventura: 10 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 1st JAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 1st Provisional Base Force ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 1st Provisional Base Force ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 11th Division, at 55,55 (Moulmein)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 25
P-40N5 Warhawk x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 16 damaged
Vengeance I: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Vengeance I releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
2 x Vengeance I releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
7 x Vengeance I releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Vengeance I releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Vengeance I releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Vengeance I releasing from 4000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 69th Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 69th Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 52,54
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 11

Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 2

No Japanese losses
No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Edward D. Baker, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DE Burden R. Hastings, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK David F. Barry, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
No.896 Sqn FAA with Martlet IV (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000
Raid is overhead
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Ground Combat

I've clung to Terapo for as long as possible, now the end is in sight but the place has dubious value after the fall of Buna and PM.
But, we fight for everything to delay delay delay the Allies!

Ground combat at Terapo (96,127)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1867 troops, 0 guns, 269 vehicles, Assault Value = 146
Defending force 1252 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 50

Allied adjusted assault: 65
Japanese adjusted defense: 11

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 4)
Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
369 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st Army Tank Regiment

Defending units:
5th Indpt SNLF Coy
15th/C Div /6
35th Const Co
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Burma - Central Pacific

Our naval bombers from Port Blair have finally found a range that keeps them outside of leaky CAP from Rangoon.
2 liberty ships and a DE were destroyed today.

The enemy flotilla is drawing closer to Palmyra, 10 hexes now.
Sent a patrol boat close but no naval air attacks. Could be a feint...




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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 4:13:20 PM   
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Yep, read all the stats and know them. BUT, in the game (and IRL) firepower is a HUGE thing.

PzB's experience is exactly the same as mine. Now the REALLY good thing: Frank is IJA and George in IJN so you will get both and be able to fly both in combat. You can then draw your own opinion. Watch the replays carefully. What you see is when a George gets a shot, the target is hurt bad at a minimum. Each George attack removes on allied a/c (either a kill or a withdrawal due to damage) improving the overall odds each time. Its a big deal in the replays. You won't see that happen with any other plane, except some of the Hurri's.

PS: If the Frank had a 4x20mm version ... JFB dream machine.




I dont want to hijack this thread but one more comment... While it could be argued that the air battles in witpae are much bloodier than they were IRL, I still think we see way too many "damaged" and ops losses in relation to shot-downs.

There isnt a place on any WW2 fighter plane where one can place and detonate a 20mm or bigger shell(or say, a pressure or frag grenade) and not risk to mortally damage the airframe and put shrapnels everywhere that pierce the cockpit, fuel tanks, engine cooling system etc. For example Luftwaffe even downgraded Fw 190 from 4 x 20mm + 2 x 13mm by 2 cannons to the Fw 190 D-9 which was supposed to be used as air superiority fighter. One connecting burst would kill or disable anything already so the extra 20mms in wings would be just more weight and slow down the very important the rate of roll.

Same as the USAAF and USN didn't exactly feel an immediate need to upgrade from 50 cals to 3 to 4 times more powerful cannons, when 50 cals worked well enough against 90%+ fighter targets(then there were of course the logistics and the fact that US made cannons were crap and jammed all the time but still ).

Now against bombers its a different thing and as mentioned the fighters attacking bomber formations only got one chance so firepower was very important when the firing times were short to inflict maximum damage.

Not saying the game is wrong, this is just my opinion, and there for sure are more things as to why N1K is at least seemingly better than the Ki-84 in the game. If the battles were purely sweeps vs. CAP we might see slightly different results.

That 4-cannon Ki-84b... unfortunately the Ki-84a doesn't upgrade to it so its not worth the R&D, perhaps not even building at all as the Ki-84r can be accelerated to or almost the same arrival date.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 6:19:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you look at the Ace board the top of the list got 12 George and 8 Frank pilots.
That's kinda typical...

Allied fighters are very durable so heavy armament is needed to bring them down right away.
Guess I would swap some speed and manouver for more heavy guns in AE

The Allied fleet is moving closer to Line Island, but it's slow going.
Carriers and heavy escorts spotted, seems like it's the real McCoy!

- Should we let Andy have the Line Islands if he can defeat the garrisons?
Not sure it's worth committing KB with so little LBA support.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 09, 44

Surface Combat

Pest controll at Buna...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Buna at 99,129, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Isuzu
DD Shikinami
DD Oboro
DD Mutsuki
DD Asakaze
DD Hayate

Allied Ships
PT-246
PT-261, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-298
PT-350, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-450
PT-451, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Buna at 99,129, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Isuzu
DD Shikinami
DD Oboro
DD Mutsuki
DD Asakaze
DD Hayate

Allied Ships
PT-66
PT-68, Shell hits 1
PT-75, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-77
PT-115
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Sub Attacks

This midget has been luring at Rangoon for weeks; the heavily damaged liberty ship hit by our Frances bombers yesterday is finished with 2 hits!

Submarine attack near Rangoon at 54,53

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-28

Allied Ships
xAK Edward D. Baker, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

xAK Edward D. Baker is sighted by SSX Ha-28
SSX Ha-28 launches 2 torpedoes
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 46,58
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 20

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 4 destroyed

CAP engaged:
S-601 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
203rd Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (6 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Blenheim VD x 3
Liberator GR.III x 5
Spitfire VIII x 8
DB-7B x 1
PV-1 Ventura x 6
Spitfire VIII x 9
A-20G Havoc x 52
A-36 Mustang x 6
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-24D Liberator x 5
B-24D1 Liberator x 14
B-24J Liberator x 24
B-25C Mitchell x 10
B-25D1 Mitchell x 13
B-25H Mitchell x 9
P-40N5 Warhawk x 26
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 38
PV-1 Ventura x 8

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 1 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 2 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 10 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 17
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 1st Provisional Base Force ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 1st Provisional Base Force ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking Moulmein ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Merauke (89,124)
Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2809 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 129
Defending force 12338 troops, 197 guns, 179 vehicles, Assault Value = 391

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th South Seas Gsn
16th Naval Guard Unit
2nd Ind.Mixed Rgt /1
2nd Raiding Rgt /1
13th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
53rd (Sep) Infantry Regiment
4th Australian Division
10 RAAF Base Force
10th RAAF M/W Sqn
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Ground combat at Terapo (96,127)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1859 troops, 0 guns, 269 vehicles, Assault Value = 146
Defending force 817 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Allied adjusted assault: 59
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 59 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Terapo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
636 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 3

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st Army Tank Regiment

Defending units:
15th/C Div /6
35th Const Co
5th Indpt SNLF Coy
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Line Islands




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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 7:05:22 PM   
ny59giants


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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 8:21:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not really, risk of getting hurt by mines, PT boats and LBA is much to big to make it feasible...
What can a few cruisers achieve but get themselves sunk!?

Ok, this was a revealing turn!

The full buglieness of the Allied fleet near the Line Islands is revealed!
560 carrier ac hit Palmyra and 75 B-29 Superforts from Pearl followed up - the wars first deployment of these beasts.

Allied ac hit dozens of bases in Burma and New Guinea area as well.

How many CVs and CVEs should we expect Andy to field by now?
Guess we're looking at 25+ CVEs, 8 CVLs and ca 10 fleet carriers?


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 10, 44

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 20
F4U-1A Corsair x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 198
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 110

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 33
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 80
TBM-1C Avenger x 88

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 10
TBM-1C Avenger x 24

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 6

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 66

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 24
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 9

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Line Islands

First Matsu class destroyer type has arrived, cheap to build and relatively efficient but with a reduced top speed of 27 knots.
Ideal escort vessels...

We got ca 60k troops in Line Islands: 930 AV on Xmas and 570 spread out on the other atolls.
Far from enough fighters and bombers to take on the gigantic Allied fleet so we go for mines, subs, PT boats and night naval bombers to begin with.
There is also 2 light cruisers and a single destroyer at Xmas; the Island chains fleet...been there for years!-)

PS! Read in a newspaper today that they found the remains of a German tourist at Noku Hiva (teeth).
They think the cannibals ate him..guess they're fond of sauerkraut



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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 10:19:36 PM   
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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 10:38:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The whole Line Islands adventure, was purely to delay Australia routes. Since OZ already supported two invasions, and Allies are advancing through New Guinea, no reason to hold Line Islands anymore. Although knowing where Allied CVs are, opens interesting opportunity for KB. Maybe strike on PH, if you have it in the area?

But seriously, PM, or Rangoon/Akyab seems interesting...

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

We now have 3250 AV in Moulmein and 750 more in the form of 2 tank divisions are 2 days march away.

I am guessing we will see repeat of that situation. Now half of the army will cross the river on SE of Moulmein. By sending your Armored Divisions there you tied your fast reserves, you should get infantry there and put fast units on right flank.

How much forces are there around Mandalay? Although attack there seems tempting, you can at least send your bombers against lightly defended bases in open, to destroy supply.



I still think, that after Line Islands Andy will try Kuriles. He needs base to station B-29 in range of HI, and provide fighter support for sweeps. Although safer route will be to isolate Truk by invasions N-NE, and support from New Guinea.
Next possible land-supported targets will be Ambon, and Sumatra, so prepare yourself for those .

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/23/2011 11:21:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
Ok, this was a revealing turn!

The full buglieness of the Allied fleet near the Line Islands is revealed!
560 carrier ac hit Palmyra and 75 B-29 Superforts from Pearl followed up - the wars first deployment of these beasts.

How many CVs and CVEs should we expect Andy to field by now?
Guess we're looking at 25+ CVEs, 8 CVLs and ca 10 fleet carriers?


I guess no one will want to give you definite advise on this one... and be the fool that suggested your way into disaster. Your instincts will hopefully guide you to the right decision anyway...

The CVx numbers seem sound, plus minus 2 in each category would be my guesstimate. Note that you spotted not only Hellcats, but also Corsairs -- perhaps from the CVE? For sure the pure number alone ain't telling the whole story at this date, not only because the 4EB "airbase and ships-in-port" killer B-29 is participating. The big question to me seems to be Andy pilot quality, especially the fighter jockeys -- after the big defeats at the line islands and at SRA it may be that they are now very numerous, but hardly exceed 60-70 in skill?

Whatever Andy put together this time, he must think that it is more than enough to risk a battle with KB and to defeat large island garrisons. So a CV battle would seem quite a risk. Of course the thought of inflicting another blowing defeat here is very attractive, especially since that could this time mean the end of the war. But if it becomes a draw, or even defeat, one will have to ask for what reason the battle was fought at all. And the others have said it, the Line Islands have somewhat lost their important strategic value by now as Japanese offensive capabilities, and the threat the islands thus pose as a staging area, are diminishing slowly. Strategy has switched from holding all gains to delaying the advance. Since you have little LBA there compared to a fight staged on the Marinas or elsewhere, plus you have a veeeery long distance to the HI for any damaged ship to travel, the cards seem to be speak against putting KB at stake now. However, I would hold it close by in case Andy commits another fubar, or suffers another "really bad luck" day. That would be my thinking. But don't let yourself be misguided by that.

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RE: Kill em all! - 10/24/2011 1:08:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: inqistor

The whole Line Islands adventure, was purely to delay Australia routes.

Good point. So not necessarily a Pacific thrust, he could just be shortening his supply lines to OZ for the DEI movement ...

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