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With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 3:49:27 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		*************Dog Green Beach, Australia, 07:40, october 6, 1942*******

There is the confusion of an amphibious landing evident all along the beach.

Major Hazard, 7 Worcesters: Your report, Captain?

Captain Generic: Sir, we've encountered no hostiles, just two aboriginals on the dune over there.

Major Hazard, 7 Worcesters: SPLENDID! we've routed the little yellow bastards! I'll make my headquarters under those trees over there. A splendid day, captain!

Captain Generic: Yes, sir, very fine weather...it's just..

Major Hazard, 7 Worcesters: Just what captain? Out with it son.

Captain Generic: Well, sir...it's Dog Green, sir....wasn't that supposed to be a North facing beach?

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 3:53:03 PM   
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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 3:55:09 PM   
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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 6:12:03 PM   
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I think we shot down every single Kate on the Jap raid and 5 more that never took off. We lucked out that the Vals went after some AK's.

I added them up

20 Kate sorties
19 Zero escort sorties
26 Val sorties

That might just be one Jap fleet carrier. If so, it is extraordinary they sent it back in. These guys are NOT giving up.





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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 6:45:54 PM   
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Japanese Ships
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Zuikaku
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Kirishima, Torpedo hits 2
CA Takao, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Suruyame
DD Ariake

As I recall, Soryu was alleged to have suffered a fuel explosion


Then Yesterday:

34 Vals
31 Zeroes
9 Kates lost as their carriers sunk

Zuikaku, no doubt ready for action. Ryuho...maybe? Soryu..maybe?


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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 6:55:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

OK...now what?

I think we shot down every single Kate on the Jap raid and 5 more that never took off. We lucked out that the Vals went after some AK's.

I added them up

20 Kate sorties
19 Zero escort sorties
26 Val sorties

That might just be one Jap fleet carrier. If so, it is extraordinary they sent it back in. These guys are NOT giving up.




Or 11 carriers (per the mouseover) with 5 planes per carrier :-)

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:08:52 PM   
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Or 11 carriers (per the mouseover) with 5 planes per carrier :-)



Yes..it could be an fiendishly clever LYB strategy to distribute the planes among 11 carriers to limit a knockout blow on one carrier.

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:13:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		If there really are 145 carrier planes then it has to be at least 2 fleet carriers. Of course, as there were only 43 documented Jap carrier bomber sorties detected by us last turn there is some disconnect in the "data".

I suppose the claim of 11 carriers might have been overstated.


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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:15:03 PM   
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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:15:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

Or 11 carriers (per the mouseover) with 5 planes per carrier :-)



Yes..it could be an fiendishly clever LYB strategy to distribute the planes among 11 carriers to limit a knockout blow on one carrier.


It occured to me, because that is exactly what I would do. Think of confusion it would cause among the enemy, never knowing if my carriers actually had their aircraft or not.

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:16:29 PM   
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Congratulations on your successful disembarkation of the 33rd ID onto the shores of Australia. A mere 400 mile trek over featureless aboriginal wasteland and then you'll have those sons of nippon on the run!

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:28:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

If there really are 145 carrier planes then it has to be at least 2 fleet carriers. Of course, as there were only 43 documented Jap carrier bomber sorties detected by us last turn there is some disconnect in the "data".

I suppose the claim of 11 carriers might have been overstated.




According to the mouse-over you posted it's more like 200 carrier planes! 3 carriers or 4?

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:36:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is actually about 1000 men of 2nd Div (Br) and Africa Brigade.

Just another one of those three thousand click/not click things in AE. We can turn off the unload now but I am not sure itwill do much for Major Hazard's careeer.


it seems Major Hazard is a major hazard

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:41:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any relation to those Dukes from his home country? The Dukes of Hazard?

ETA: Sometimes, Generics aren't all they're cracked up to be. Perhaps Captain Brandname would have demonstrated more autonomous thought.

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:44:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

If there really are 145 carrier planes then it has to be at least 2 fleet carriers. Of course, as there were only 43 documented Jap carrier bomber sorties detected by us last turn there is some disconnect in the "data".

I suppose the claim of 11 carriers might have been overstated.




According to the mouse-over you posted it's more like 200 carrier planes! 3 carriers or 4?


Yes..but I doubt 62 "auxillary" as well. That would have to be damaged carrier planes and seaplanes. Why would they come back at us with 30% of their air complement damaged?

I think the best assumption is 2 carriers.

It does raise the question of whether they could have more carriers active than the ones detected in the previous battle???

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:54:55 PM   
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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:55:46 PM   
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Young man in fine linen slacks: <cups hand over ear to hear phone> ...Roger that 200 Imperial Japanese Navy ship identification books for Carnavon. I've got them in inventory but I will have to charge extra for the leather bound edition...................sorry, my friend they move fast. It's...<pretends to be looking something up> $25 more per copy..................Free shipping? In a war zone. No can do............Very well, I'll have them up there by 7 AM tomorrow. I've got just the guy but you got to tell your triple A guys to lay off...........Splendid! A Pleasure doing business with you Commander.

<hangs up phone> HEY YOSSARIAN! GET OVER HERE YOU CRAZY SOB!

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:56:50 PM   
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I've always seen people on the forum say that "auxiliary" meant torpedo-armed. I don't really know for sure.


Crap....pretend I didn't read the manual. Anyone know?

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 7:58:35 PM   
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I really thought aux was thought to be damaged planes, from all my AAR lurking.

But yeah - I guess if someone suggested they might be torpedo-armed bombers I'd want to double check that ;)


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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 8:12:18 PM   
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I've always seen people on the forum say that "auxiliary" meant torpedo-armed. I don't really know for sure.

Yeah, I've seen that too. I'm going to pretend that I don't have the manual handy to cite chapter and verse. All's I know is it ain't gonna be a bunch of float planes, dude.

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 9:00:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also Why didnt our SBD's go after the carriers? 8 hexes.


I seem to recall something about a carrier strike range limit. I am going to bet it is less than 8 hexes for Allies in 42

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 9:11:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rupert: I say, you sailor chappie, are we in the right spot? Can you take us back to the old yacht?

Matelot: Get stuffed! Skipper says I'm to land you here and here you are.

Rupert: Rather, old chap, but just where is here?

Matelot: F@(£~d if I know mate.

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 9:24:06 PM   
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Also Why didnt our SBD's go after the carriers? 8 hexes.

Your CV's have a 7 hex limit. I read somewhere else on the forum that it is hard coded. Japanese CV's have an 8 hex range.

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 9:30:06 PM   
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Also Why didnt our SBD's go after the carriers? 8 hexes.


I seem to recall something about a carrier strike range limit. I am going to bet it is less than 8 hexes for Allies in 42

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carrier strike range limit


I have read things in terms of coordiantion in 1942 over 100 aircraft, but I have not read anything on hex range. However, I might suggest that the group failed a die roll? Maybe the extra die roll for extended range and weather? That I have certainly have experinced this one with all groups flying but one who decided to play cards on the deck of the Big E ...See rule 7.2.1.6.1 under extended range and on page 162:

When flying Missions at extended range (that is further than the normal combat radius but less
than the extended combat radius), there is:

»» An increased chance of not finding the target.
»» An increased chance of withdrawal due to fuel limits.
»» Disruption caused by air to air combat is increased for aircraft
flying at extended range. Bombers carry fewer and/or smaller
bombs at extended range, and they cannot carry torpedoes at
extended range (they substitute a reduced payload of bombs).
.......

Just a thought ...

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 9:37:08 PM   
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Also Why didnt our SBD's go after the carriers? 8 hexes.


I seem to recall something about a carrier strike range limit. I am going to bet it is less than 8 hexes for Allies in 42


Yes, 1 hex less for the Allied player. Thus for Japan, 8 hex limit, for Allied 7 hex limit. There is a very small random call on getting the extreme range strikes off, but best to always assume an IJN strike may be incoming from 8 hexes.

As to the "auxiliary", I can't recall anyone claiming them to represent torpedo bombers. The manual does not define, on page 221, what is an "auxiliary" plane disclosed by a mouseover. The auxiliary total is usually far more than the total invesntory of torpedo bombers. It covers damaged airframes.

Alfred

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 9:45:25 PM   
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Rupert: I say, you sailor chappie, are we in the right spot? Can you take us back to the old yacht?

Matelot: Get stuffed! Skipper says I'm to land you here and here you are.

Rupert: Rather, old chap, but just where is here?

Matelot: F@(£~d if I know mate.


Does Rupert have a riding crop? He sounds like he should have a riding crop?

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 9:50:20 PM   
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http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Rupert

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 10:00:11 PM   
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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 10:18:48 PM   
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Voice over Tannoy

"Oye, oye (or something like that) This is the Captain speaking. Men, I struggled to find just the right message for this evening. I believe I have found it. <rustling sound.. then throat clearing> Our Father, who art in Heaven......

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RE: With 7 Worcesters - 9/23/2011 10:29:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I started Scenario 1, head to head. Stood down all carrier planes and float planes in KB. Stood down all aircraft at Pearl Harbor, then put all search planes and level bombers on 100% naval search at 6,000ft. I ran the turn, then took down the numbers from the IJ squadron displays in KB. Lastly, took a snapshot of the mouse-over from the Allied side.

The numbers from the IJ side are:

Fighters Ready: 108
Fighters Dam/Mnt: 0
Fighters Reserve: 3

Dive Bombers Ready: 135
Dive Bombers Dam/Mnt: 0
Dive Bombers Reserve: 0

Torpedo B. Ready: 144
Torpedo B. Dam/Mnt: 0
Torpedo B. Reserve: 6

Float Planes (all types) Ready: 14
Float Planes (all types) Dam/Mnt:
Float Planes (all types) Reserve: 2

Here is the Allied mouse-over. Draw what conclusions you will.





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