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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/6/2011 5:38:03 PM

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Those Vanilla Patches are dangerous. I think MJ OD'ed on them.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/6/2011 5:42:42 PM

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******************Bridge of HMS Royal Sovereign, 12:15, October 12, 1942***************

Lookout: Torpedo in the water off starboard bow! Range 800 yds!

Captain: Ring up 1 1/2 knots! Come right 15 degrees!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/6/2011 7:50:02 PM

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Hmmm Vanilla Patches - isn't that what an ex-rapper calls his new drywall repair business/reality TV show? I pretty sure it�s only intellectually dangerous...

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/6/2011 8:45:25 PM

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(in sotto voce) -ding ding ding dinga da ding ding- "Ice ice baby...."

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/6/2011 11:48:53 PM

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That is bizarre.

Do you think it might have anything to do with the HQ it's attached to?

No, it's because they're gits.

Is "gits" a four letter word?

Yes, but that's fixed in the beta.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 12:36:21 AM

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Yes, but that's fixed in the beta.

How come everyone but Admiral Lord Sprior and I seem to know this?

NOW YOU TELL US!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 12:48:10 AM

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Yes, but that's fixed in the beta.

How come everyone but Admiral Lord Sprior and I seem to know this?

NOW YOU TELL US!

Maybe you could use 'twat' instead?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 12:51:22 AM

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Brief time out from getting our arses handed to us.

So I have this 12 year old male patient who is just starting puberty and he happens to get the hives (itchy swollen skin rash that migrates). So his mom drags him to the walk-in and they give him some cream to assuage his (and her) concern.

BTW, his mom told us this story.

Well, as luck would have it, he has the hives on his groin.

His mom says "Mijo, let me poot on the cream"

Her son says, "OK mom but you have to close your eyes"

Time out. I know what you are thinking. 12 years old and his mom is going to rub cream on his unmentionables? Huh? I thought the same thing.

So junior takes a peak down into his BVD's and notes the hives have spread to his unit. His eyes get real big. He proclaims, "Oh, Mom, you are going to be SOOOOO proud of me. My pajarito has NEVER been this big."

After she stops laughing she gives him the cream. "Poot on the cream yooself, Mijo."

Here is the deal. This kid is smart. He knows how things work. He was two steps ahead of his mom.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 12:52:51 AM

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Maybe you could use 'twat' instead?

I suppose that is another patch I don't know about?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 1:26:43 AM

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Don't forget if you upgrade to the Beta you'll have to change your signature line to "Pretend I never read the release notes"

BTW greate AAR, very enjoyable and instructive way to demonstrate how to blight a war.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 2:18:16 AM

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Have you fire North Carolina's skipper yet? That ship deserves better than the cowards you've found for her. Or was the TF commander someone else last time? Although I had another thought: perhaps your commander had too high of an "honor" attribute and thought it would be bad form to attack fleeing Japanese cripples.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 4:02:48 PM

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Have you fire North Carolina's skipper yet? That ship deserves better than the cowards you've found for her.

At this point, that's the third or fourth cowardly engagement that North Carolina has been involved in. This makes a strong argument for AW1Steve's long-standing request for a "Take him out and shoot him" button on the ship's command screen.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 6:00:12 PM

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The failure of North Carolina to intervene while 2 CV's were sunk by gunfire is bad enough, but the failure to engage an already damaged (and probably with empty magazines) Hyuga when North Carolina had 75% of her main gun ammo left and was unscratched is beyond words.

Santa Maria!

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 6:18:40 PM

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Have you fire North Carolina's skipper yet? That ship deserves better than the cowards you've found for her.

At this point, that's the third or fourth cowardly engagement that North Carolina has been involved in. This makes a strong argument for AW1Steve's long-standing request for a "Take him out and shoot him" button on the ship's command screen.

Seems a little excessive.

File for a "Label the captain as a 'twat'" button on the tech support forum instead?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 6:29:06 PM

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Meanwhile we discover the death of the Allied carriers has been "wildly exaggerated" (to paraphrase Mark Twain).

Illustrious is completely unscathed. Yorktown has some system damage but can make good speed and conduct flight ops. Even Formidable has only 34% flotation damage and can make 17 kts. Formidable air groups recovered to Meekatharah and Carnavon.

JJ had massive carrier bomber losses, especially to Kates.

Even so, it is no time for another carrier battle. We have very few operational fighters left on the carriers. We need to get out what we can and come back with Yorktown, Wasp and Illustrious in about two weeks.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 6:37:19 PM

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Have you fire North Carolina's skipper yet? That ship deserves better than the cowards you've found for her.

At this point, that's the third or fourth cowardly engagement that North Carolina has been involved in. This makes a strong argument for AW1Steve's long-standing request for a "Take him out and shoot him" button on the ship's command screen.

Seems a little excessive.

File for a "Label the captain as a 'twat'" button on the tech support forum instead?

Gentlemen, I must protest. I see the Captain of the North Carolina is to be deprived of procedural fairness (previously known as natural justice). Don't you realise that were he to instruct Messrs Dewey,Chatham etc, he could be successful in an action and be awarded substantial damages.

Alfred

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 6:46:50 PM

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Meanwhile we discover the death of the Allied carriers has been "wildly exaggerated" (to paraphrase Mark Twain).

Great! And the Royal Sovereign? Did it not eat two extra torpedoes and sink?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 6:49:02 PM

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Have you fire North Carolina's skipper yet? That ship deserves better than the cowards you've found for her.

At this point, that's the third or fourth cowardly engagement that North Carolina has been involved in. This makes a strong argument for AW1Steve's long-standing request for a "Take him out and shoot him" button on the ship's command screen.

Seems a little excessive.

File for a "Label the captain as a 'twat'" button on the tech support forum instead?

More buttons=more better. I didn't say you HAD to take him out and shoot him, but having the option would make a lot of would-be supreme commanders like the game system a lot more.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 6:59:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Grollub

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: House Stark

Have you fire North Carolina's skipper yet? That ship deserves better than the cowards you've found for her.

At this point, that's the third or fourth cowardly engagement that North Carolina has been involved in. This makes a strong argument for AW1Steve's long-standing request for a "Take him out and shoot him" button on the ship's command screen.

Seems a little excessive.

File for a "Label the captain as a 'twat'" button on the tech support forum instead?

Gentlemen, I must protest. I see the Captain of the North Carolina is to be deprived of procedural fairness (previously known as natural justice). Don't you realise that were he to instruct Messrs Dewey,Chatham etc, he could be successful in an action and be awarded substantial damages.

Alfred

I'm wondering if M&M Enterprises has a mobile "flying" courts martial unit that they can move around from place to place where this battlefield justice must be meted. It'd be easy enough to fit it for various and sundry Allied troops.

Perhaps a character voice actor could preside-someone with comfort in numerous regional accents. If it's a Limey on trial, wear one of those powder wig thingies and appropriate vestments. An Aussie: Lots of "Oi! Look 'ere, mate! I'll do the lot of you for that treason thing then!" and breaks in the action for beer service in the courtroom. American? Tearful breakdowns from the witness stand with full disclosure of adolescent / childhood traumas that warped the defendant's character. Punctuate that with an occasional yelling matches ("YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!") between the respective counsels and televised coverage and you've got winner there!

Final episode of the season? Brave and virtuous soliloquy of the convicted (close up on his oral hygeine) with the actual execution by firing squad-uniformed by sponsors. The whole kit and kaboodle sponsored by Crelm tootpaste.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 7:28:41 PM

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Gentlemen, I must protest. I see the Captain of the North Carolina is to be deprived of procedural fairness (previously known as natural justice). Don't you realise that were he to instruct Messrs Dewey,Chatham etc, he could be successful in an action and be awarded substantial damages.

Alfred

Wouldn't the US Navy have to AGREE to the action first, under the principle of Sovereign Immunity?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 7:30:42 PM

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As for Royal Sovereign...it appears the princple of Sovereign Immunity did NOT apply to her.

The funny thing about Formidable is the Admiralty wants her back (hehe).

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 7:30:50 PM

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Isn't DCH's time all taken up right now with the delaying the sonar upgrades to save the left-handed sea-spiral or something?

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 7:35:31 PM

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Gentlemen, I must protest. I see the Captain of the North Carolina is to be deprived of procedural fairness (previously known as natural justice). Don't you realise that were he to instruct Messrs Dewey,Chatham etc, he could be successful in an action and be awarded substantial damages.

Alfred

Wouldn't the US Navy have to AGREE to the action first, under the principle of Sovereign Immunity?

Aha, but then you would have the reviewable point as to whether "Sovereign Immunity" applies to the US Navy. Which in turn would require a thorough examination of what is "Sovereign Immunity". In the meantime, the aforementioned skipper would still be drawing his full remuneration.

Yep, I reckon we would probably get to see two A-bombs dropped on Japan before that legal dance were to be concluded.

Alfred

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/7/2011 9:50:08 PM

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There is also this exculpatory fact. Captain of North Carolina was not TF commander in the little incident with Hyuga.

He could claim, "I vas yust following ze orders"

Then he would have Sovereign Immunity AND the Nuremburg Defence. Throw in the maltreatment by his alcoholic step-father when he was 8 and the Captain could end up owning Subic Bay and Pearl Harbor.

The best solution is a negotiated retirement, a modest pension and probably the witness protection program.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 5:26:21 AM

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Air losses from the 12th

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 5:36:26 AM

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Ship losses from the 12th. Kirishima was reported hit by one aerial torpedo but it seems more likely to have been an already damaged Hyuga. I am not convinced the BB was sunk.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 5:45:35 AM

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"Kab" Calloway is in command of the North Carolina taffy. He may need the witness protection program too.

In fairness, the DD's in the force are virtually out of ammo.

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 5:50:25 AM

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Here he is during happier days (Christmas Jubilee, Coronado Officer's Club, 1938)

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 6:17:32 AM

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"Kab" Calloway is in command of the North Carolina taffy. He may need the witness protection program too.

In fairness, the DD's in the force are virtually out of ammo.

Good thing you didn't not commence any action against the North Carolina skipper.

Section 6.3.5 of the manual comments on what causes a TF to retreat from combat. They retreat when a single ship in the TF is down to less than 1/3 of normal main gun ammo left. Almost certainly, one of the DDs is the culprit.

Alfred

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RE: Allied TF Behaviour - 10/8/2011 11:01:36 AM

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I'm wondering if M&M Enterprises has a mobile "flying" courts martial unit that they can move around from place to place where this battlefield justice must be meted. It'd be easy enough to fit it for various and sundry Allied troops.

For comedy relief I think you'd get better ratings if the English prosecutor was John Cleese, of course then instead of a flying court martial unit it'd become a bit of a circus. Perhaps instead of M&M you could use MP instead.

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