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RE: New Scotland - 4/12/2010 8:21:49 PM   
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Enola Gay is playing in the kitchen, I bet the kids are really getting on her nerves, they are mine.


From what I heard, Mrs. Tibbits was quite a patient woman, though given to the occaisional melt-down and explosion when the neighborhood kids came over and a critical mass was reached.


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The US carriers should:

1) Promptly attack the Westernmost Jap carrier group, while trying to avoid engagement with the SE group.

2) Sprint in and attack both groups, with the Ride of the Valkyries playing on the loudspeakers.

3) Move in a careful Northerly direction, hoping to attck the landing group

4) Exercise Brave Sir Robin option


Tough call, Cap'n. I like the idea behind number 3, but you're in easy striking range of at least 4 IJN fleet CVs that can react into you if detected:

1. An attack on the Western group would certainly bring the Eastern group a'runnin'. Net: your 2 USN CVs versus JJ's 4 CVs. You get one or two of his, both of yours are goners.

2. An attack on both groups would certainly bring both groups down on you. Net: your 2 USN CVs versus JJ's 4. You get one or two of his, both of yours are goners.

3. A. You are detected and attacked when the Western group moves rapidly West and engages your CVs. Eastern group on follow-up attack 1-2 days later. Net: your 2 USN CVs versus JJ's 4. You get one or two of his, both of yours are goners.

3. B. You are not detected and manage to manuever North on the Eastern side of Australia. After a rapid swing East, you engage the landing force and cause significant carnage, gnashing of JJ teeth and a sharp increase in JJ existential ennui. Good on 'ya mate. The now angry JJ CVs (both groups) give chase towards the gap between P/NG and Australia. You (50%) get away at top speed or (50%) are chased down. Hilarity and battle ensue. Net: your 2 USN CVs versus 2-4 JJ CVs. You get one or two of his, both of yours are goners.

4. Ghormley!

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RE: New Scotland - 4/12/2010 8:59:10 PM   
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The US carriers should:

1) Promptly attack the Westernmost Jap carrier group, while trying to avoid engagement with the SE group.



This one reminds me of a MacArthur complaint (from the movie):

"How do you bomb half a bridge?"

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RE: New Scotland - 4/12/2010 9:12:32 PM   
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Tough call, Cap'n. I like the idea behind number 3, but you're in easy striking range of at least 4 IJN fleet CVs that can react into you if detected:

1. An attack on the Western group would certainly bring the Eastern group a'runnin'. Net: your 2 USN CVs versus JJ's 4 CVs. You get one or two of his, both of yours are goners.

2. An attack on both groups would certainly bring both groups down on you. Net: your 2 USN CVs versus JJ's 4. You get one or two of his, both of yours are goners.

3. A. You are detected and attacked when the Western group moves rapidly West and engages your CVs. Eastern group on follow-up attack 1-2 days later. Net: your 2 USN CVs versus JJ's 4. You get one or two of his, both of yours are goners.

3. B. You are not detected and manage to manuever North on the Eastern side of Australia. After a rapid swing East, you engage the landing force and cause significant carnage, gnashing of JJ teeth and a sharp increase in JJ existential ennui. Good on 'ya mate. The now angry JJ CVs (both groups) give chase towards the gap between P/NG and Australia. You (50%) get away at top speed or (50%) are chased down. Hilarity and battle ensue. Net: your 2 USN CVs versus 2-4 JJ CVs. You get one or two of his, both of yours are goners.

4. Ghormley!


Yes, very much how I see it. Any US carrier left disabled or slowed in an intitial contest will be dead meat. The Mavis's are certain to be out, either operating from Lunga or Shortlands. If I am chased West, there is no safe Australian port, even Sydney. I suppose I could try to run the Cortes Strait toward Darwin but there may be Betties at Port Moresby. I did have the fanciful idea I might pop up North of New Scotland, jump the transports, then head Northeast, but the refueling options would be limited.

If there were a safe way to be detected and not allow the wrath of 2 carrier divisions, I could draw them SE and try to sneak in the Surface force South of Fiji.

I am now leaning toward option 5....Fly off an SBD squadron to New Edinburgh, then head back to Oz to pick up one of the spare USN SBD squadrons, allow the landing, hoping to stall them on the landing beach, then use the carriers to bring in reinforcements after the Japs retire for refueling.

The thought of not having any US carriers left in the Pacific is too horrible to contemplate.

Sometimes Ghormley-types are right.


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RE: New Scotland - 4/12/2010 9:16:47 PM   
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The US carriers should:

1) Promptly attack the Westernmost Jap carrier group, while trying to avoid engagement with the SE group.



This one reminds me of a MacArthur complaint (from the movie):

"How do you bomb half a bridge?"


I nearly ordered an attack on the Western group this turn when they were reported to be 4 battleships and six tankers

The last remaining Dodo bird told me not to.

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RE: New Scotland - 4/12/2010 9:33:49 PM   
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RE: New Scotland - 4/13/2010 12:04:42 AM   
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1) Promptly attack the Westernmost Jap carrier group, while trying to avoid engagement with the SE group.

2) Sprint in and attack both groups, with the Ride of the Valkyries playing on the loudspeakers.

3) Move in a careful Northerly direction, hoping to attck the landing group


If you dp any of these perhaps you should be playing "In the Hall of the Mountain King" instead.

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RE: New Scotland - 4/13/2010 12:34:28 AM   
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1) Promptly attack the Westernmost Jap carrier group, while trying to avoid engagement with the SE group.

2) Sprint in and attack both groups, with the Ride of the Valkyries playing on the loudspeakers.

3) Move in a careful Northerly direction, hoping to attck the landing group


If you dp any of these perhaps you should be playing "In the Hall of the Mountain King" instead.



Yes...I keep telling myself to cut down on the androgen shots.

I am decided...the USN carriers will slink away as I believe they are, as of yet, undiscovered. Uncertainty of their position is at least as much of a desirable thing as is killing Japs. The Marine aviation at New Edinburgh will have to go it alone for a bit.

I do have this question. Suppose I fly in a Navy SBD squadron and they take air frame losses. Can I then disband a Marine SBD squadron INTO the Navy squadron.

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RE: New Scotland - 4/13/2010 2:52:34 AM   
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Why am I having Bilbo vs Smaug flashbacks.....


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RE: New Scotland - 4/13/2010 3:55:18 PM   
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As an employee of Westernallies (tm) am I allowed to take part?



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Intelligence - 4/13/2010 4:18:58 PM   
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Aide: Sir, we have a flash message from Noumea, in the clear.

Intelligence Chief: What do you just say Commander?

Aide: We have a flash message from....ummm...New Edinburgh?

Intelligence Chief: That is better. We need to set the example, you see. I want the code words used all the time. That is the point. So, let me have the message, Commander.

Aide: It reads, "Air raid, many enemy carrier planes New Edinburgh, over."

Intelligence Chief: Well, of course they are going to be OVER New Edinburgh, they are airplanes, what does the chap expect them to do, taxi up on the highway and open up with machine guns?

Aide: Sir, I think it was intended to convey the end of the message.

Intelligence Chief: Well then, perhaps he should more clear about it then, eh? After all, we are in the intelligence business, aren't we Commander?

Aide: Yes, sir, that is what I have heard.

Intelligence Chief: Well, as for New Edinburgh, this can hardly be unexpected. They might just be softening up the airfield and still plan to land at...oh...damnit....what is that other one called...you know..at the North end of New Scotland?

Aide: New Ullapool, sir?

Intelligence Chief: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it! Well, put that in the summary and send it up to CINCPAC. I am glad to hear they are using the approved code words.

Aide: Yes, sir, about that, a number of us were wondering.

Intelligence Chief: Yes, yes <looks up from papers slightly annoyed> Out with it son.

Aide: Well, sir, the Japs will know, of course, when their attack on New Edinburgh was going in.

Intelligence Chief: Yes?

Aide: And the broadcast was in the clear and contemporaneous with the attack?

Intelligence Chief: Yes? Of course.

Aide: And the Japs will surely have English translators.

Intelligence Chief: Yes, can't fault them for that.

Aide: And the code word was used in the open broadcast?

Intelligence Chief: Yes, as per my instructions. Can't very well have them saying you know what in an open broadcast. That is the whole point of code words. We want to confuse the little yellow bastards, most of them are like trained organ grinder monkeys, anyway. What is your point?

Aide: Well sir, won't the Japs be able to deduce that New Edinburgh is really..well..you know what. After all, they will have a map somewhere that says you know what.

Intelligence Chief: Hmmm....<looks lost, eyes searching the ceiling to his left> Deduce, you say?

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RE: New Scotland - 4/13/2010 4:19:35 PM   
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I do have this question. Suppose I fly in a Navy SBD squadron and they take air frame losses. Can I then disband a Marine SBD squadron INTO the Navy squadron.

Ah, brevity. Thy name is "no".

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RE: New Scotland - 4/13/2010 4:21:59 PM   
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I do have this question. Suppose I fly in a Navy SBD squadron and they take air frame losses. Can I then disband a Marine SBD squadron INTO the Navy squadron.

Ah, brevity. Thy name is "no".


Just as well, they would probably get in endless bar fights.

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RE: New Scotland - 4/13/2010 4:33:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I sent in (to New Edinburgh) an inappropriately enthusiastic group of Army P-39 pilots (and their planes with drop tanks) from Suva.*

The Wildcats performed well against the Zeroes so they will stay on CAP. At least 8 F4F's will require Bondo for all the bullet holes so the CAP will be smaller this turn. Can't be helped.

The P-39's can escort the SBD's if the Jap transports come within range.

The carriers are neaded back to the SW....Brave, brave, Sir Robin...


* Thanks to the individual that suggested the drop tank ferry hop for P-39's from Suva. Apparently P-40B's don't come with a drop tanks as the option was unavailable.

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They're here... - 4/14/2010 5:49:53 PM   
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Intelligence Officer: <Running down the hall in a dishevled uniform and he smells bad too..you know, the no shower for 36 hrs in a humid envirnment thing. The guy is nearly manic with excitement like his wife had twins or something and he hasn't had time to think about how the hell he is going to pay for college or, even worse, the weddings if they are both girls> ITS NEW ULLAPOOL! ITS NEW ULLAPOOL!......<he disappers around the corner>

Guard1: Is that some kind of Hawaiian thing I dont know about?

Guard2: Nah, Druid is my guess..with a liberal dose of torpedo juice.

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Why are they late? - 4/14/2010 6:16:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Japs have started landing at New Ullapool (Koumac) with 3 Naval Guard units and an independant company (the Sasebo Bicycle-borne Kabuki Theater to be precise).

A US Army infantry regt and the 3rd Marine Defence Bn. are on the road from New Edinburgh but are still 92 miles out. They are taking forever.

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RE: Why are they late? - 4/14/2010 6:21:54 PM   
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GI #1: Hey Sarge, can we stop for a picnic. Look! A black sand beach. Look how beautiful it is.

Sarge: No damnit! You guys will have my ass in the fire.

GI #2: Ok, come on, Sarge. Let's get a squad picture over by the bridge..........


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RE: Why are they late? - 4/14/2010 6:22:54 PM   
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RE: Why are they late? - 4/14/2010 6:28:29 PM   
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The boys are staging a production of New South Pacific with music and lyric by Pvt. I. Lefkowitz. It was so bad, the Col. decided to break camp early.




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RE: Why are they late? - 4/14/2010 8:20:05 PM   
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RE: Why are they late? - 4/14/2010 8:21:58 PM   
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RE: Why are they late? - 4/14/2010 8:27:16 PM   
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Brigade Headquarters Lautem:










Is that an X-band radar antenna on the right?

PS...let's hope the Japs don't bring incendiaries when they come to Lautem.

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New Ullapool - 4/14/2010 9:51:41 PM   
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*******New Ullapool (Koumac), NW New Scotalnd, 07:30, Feb. 6, 1942******


Lt. Col. Blanchard, CO, FF Detach, New Caledonia: <a small group of officers survey an awesome sight from a forrested hillside. Offshore, less than 6,000 yds away, the menancing shape......wait...that sounds hackneyed doesn't it...try frightful visage....well no...sounds pompous....ok..how about really big battleship Haruna...yes lets go with that....the really big battleship Haruna trains her guns shorward. There is a ripple of fire and some seconds later (I would put a number down but then somebody will start a discussion about muzzle velocity and powder performance as a function of humidity...and..yada yada yada...plus I dont really know how long it would take exactly). Anyway, some seconds later a taro field 300 yds to the South erupts in showers of dirt and shockwaves and sound. See, here is the deal. The Japs really didnt do any recon so they may think the Taro field is an airstrip...or, I suppose...they might just really hate Taro. Anyway, its gone. All of it, but the Allied defenders are unharmed save for some staining of britches and the like.>

Mon Dieux! Ze surrender documents. Are zey prepared?

Lt. Gen Rowe, Royal New Zealand Army, Acting CO of all Allied Forces, Northern New Scotland: Steady on there Colonel. That is a bit rash isn't it?


*Edited before somebody busts my chops for improperly using the possesive pronoun "their".

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RE: New Ullapool - 4/14/2010 10:24:19 PM   
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This is really completely childish and rife with baseless and potentially offensive generalizations and I really shouldn't...but....why stop now? After all, its the internet, right?


*******New Ullapool (Koumac), NW New Scotalnd, 07:30, Feb. 6, 1942******


Lt. Col. Blanchard, CO, FF Detach, New Caledonia: <a small group of officers survey an awesome sight from a forrested hillside. Offshore, less than 6,000 yds away, the menancing shape......wait...that sounds hackneyed doesn't it...try frightful visage....well no...sounds pompous....ok..how about really big battleship Haruna...yes lets go with that....the really big battleship Haruna trains her guns shorward. There is a ripple of fire and some seconds later (I would put a number down but then somebody will start a discussion about muzzle velocity and powder performance as a function of humidity...and..yada yada yada...plus I dont really know how long it would take exactly). Anyway, some seconds later a taro field 300 yds to the South erupts in showers of dirt and shockwaves and sound. See, here is the deal. The Japs really didnt do any recon so they may think the Taro field is an airstrip...or, I suppose...they might just really hate Taro. Anyway, its gone. All of it, but the Allied defenders are unharmed save for some staining of britches and the like.>

Mon Dieux! Ze surrender documents. Are zey prepared?

Lt. Gen Rowe, Royal New Zealand Army, Acting CO of all Allied Forces, Northern New Scotland: Steady on there Colonel. That is a bit rash isn't it?


*Edited before somebody busts my chops for improperly using the possesive pronoun "their".

The climate in those two pictures looks way too arid to grow Taro.

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RE: New Ullapool - 4/14/2010 11:17:00 PM   
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RE: New Ullapool - 4/14/2010 11:30:16 PM   
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The climate in those two pictures looks way too arid to grow Taro.

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Class...please pay attention...and NO TEXTING either! In fact, if I even hear one cell phone I am going to make you all jump inthe swimming pool and do laps with your shoes on.

The dry place was Lautem, in East Timor.

THIS is New Scotland




* Typist misspelled "Scotland". edited to correct that.

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RE: New Ullapool - 4/15/2010 2:20:17 AM   
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Query, Mandrake....in the first pic above, there is a vegative object sprawled at the foot of the bridge. Is that a trefid?

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RE: New Ullapool - 4/15/2010 3:46:51 AM   
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RE: New Ullapool - 4/15/2010 6:23:52 AM   
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RE: New Ullapool - 4/15/2010 2:40:11 PM   
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It's not sprawled. It's walking.


That is first generation genetically modified Taro root. It was hoped it would be able to handle the drier conditions of New Scotland. Unfortunately, the transfer of a few water regulatory genes from the Baktrian camel had certain unintended consequences.


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RE: New Ullapool - 4/15/2010 4:19:16 PM   
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drier conditions of New Scotland.


Then it must be "New". The original is very damp, if not positively moist.

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