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Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/2/2010 7:21:40 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		Admiral English's diminished TF, now comprised of:

CA Louisville
CL Raleigh
DD Shaw
DD Downes
DD Aylwin

(USS Detroit threw a fan belt and had to return to Auckland, I forget what happened to Concord..I think she is at Auckland waiting for an Oxygen sensor or something)

was ordered to bombard the New Ullapool airfield the night of March 1/2 following the route of the DD TF the night before. On her run in, English encountered some more transports which had snuck back to New Ullapool to disgorge some more of the quite unwelcome Johnny Jap. This went most unswimmingly for the Japs as a subchaser was sunk, 4 AK's were shredded by gunfire and two more lightly damaged. In all, only 1 of the 7 transports escaped damage. Rather than chase smoking Marus all over the place, English bored in to bombard the airfield......


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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/2/2010 9:42:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		********Bridge of USS Louisville, 01:20, March 2, 1942, near New Ullapool, New Scotland********


The admiral surveys the way ahead as his force steams SSW at 25 kts., intent on doing violence to a former arid-adapted taro field. There is a full moon which ducks in and out behind the clouds. When the moon emerges again the admiral involuntarilly contracts an important sphincter muscle (well, at least it contracted.... it might have been worse, much worse). Less than a mile and half off his bow, there are two unmistakable silhouettes with huge superstructures on a crossing course. There is a ripple of orange from the lead vessel. He is taken back to his childhood when his family's Puerto Rican gardner cut off two fingers in a mowing accident.


"SANTA MARIA! MADRE DE DIOS!"


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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/2/2010 9:59:54 PM   
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chase smoking Marus


Flashback....just can't remember of what.....


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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/3/2010 1:56:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was glad I wasn't watching the combat replay. I didn't read the details until I scrolled through the results:



Night Time Surface Combat, near Koumac at 113,156, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 2
BB Fuso, Shell hits 5
CA Aoba
CA Furutaka
CL Abukuma, Shell hits 1
DD Yugure
DD Kikuzuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Kyukaze
DD Uruyuke, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
CA Louisville, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Raleigh
DD Shaw, Shell hits 3
DD Downes
DD Aylwin



Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 100% moonlight: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 7,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 7,000 yards
Yano, Hideo* crosses the 'T'

Severely outgunned and out-armored, night battle starts at 7000 yds, Jap force fires first and crosses the T on the USN, 5 to 3 ratio of DD's, superior Jap torpedoes.

It might have been ugly. Instead, Lousiville takes 3 large caliber hits but has virtually no flooding and still makes 29 kts. and the USN force makes good its escape. Louisville can pay a visit to Auckland and be back in 10 days.


<crosses himself> "Gracias a Dios!"



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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/4/2010 4:19:58 AM   
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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/4/2010 5:40:31 AM   
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There is a ripple of orange from the lead vessel. He is taken back to his childhood when his family's Puerto Rican gardner cut off two fingers in a mowing accident.


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Severely outgunned and out-armored, night battle starts at 7000 yds, Jap force fires first and crosses the T on the USN, 5 to 3 ratio of DD's, superior Jap torpedoes.

It might have been ugly. Instead, Lousiville takes 3 large caliber hits but has virtually no flooding and still makes 29 kts. and the USN force makes good its escape. Louisville can pay a visit to Auckland and be back in 10 days.


<crosses himself> "Gracias a Dios!"


Whew! For a moment there I though you were going to have a "Sam" Peckinpah scene in this film

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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/4/2010 3:56:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thegreatwent

Whew! For a moment there I though you were going to have a "Sam" Peckinpah scene in this film


Brilliant!

SCENE 42: <The orange-red color of Nagato's guns firing in slow motion triggers a flashback to his childhood, the Adm. as a young boy, watches silently <SLO-MO> as the gardener leans over the mower, placing his hand in an inopportune location. The gardener's fully pulped fingers are ejected with great velocity in a pink-red slow motion spray from the mower. Bits of bone and red pulp can be seen tumbling in a graceful parabolic arc. Cut back to the South Pacific, incoming rounds arc slowly toward the ship. Cut back to the Admiral in real time.>

Admiral English: <in unaccented Spanish> Madre de Dios!....

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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/4/2010 6:43:19 PM   
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quote:

There is a ripple of orange from the lead vessel. He is taken back to his childhood when his family's Puerto Rican gardner cut off two fingers in a mowing accident.


quote:

Severely outgunned and out-armored, night battle starts at 7000 yds, Jap force fires first and crosses the T on the USN, 5 to 3 ratio of DD's, superior Jap torpedoes.

It might have been ugly. Instead, Lousiville takes 3 large caliber hits but has virtually no flooding and still makes 29 kts. and the USN force makes good its escape. Louisville can pay a visit to Auckland and be back in 10 days.


<crosses himself> "Gracias a Dios!"


Whew! For a moment there I though you were going to have a "Sam" Peckinpah scene in this film

I say! What a jolly good day! Jolly, jolly good! Anyone for tennis? Here, Nigel-catch!

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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/4/2010 8:53:35 PM   
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That was a lucky result though.

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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/4/2010 10:56:32 PM   
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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/5/2010 2:11:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm ... I was thinking in lines that this would be the Pulp Fiction style of AAR. Lots of humor and loose ends that come together in the end.

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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/5/2010 2:39:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Grollub

Hmmm ... I was thinking in lines that this would be the Pulp Fiction style of AAR. Lots of humor and loose ends that come together in the end.


Sounds like Larry David too. Maybe "Curb Your Enthusiasm for War in the Pacific"

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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/5/2010 2:46:29 AM   
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Damn! Once again. it's so much better to be lucky than good!


This is true, but the problem with luck as a strategy is it tends to be somehwat...what's the word....unpredictable.

More to follow.

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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/5/2010 3:31:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, I figure Nagato and Fuso have expended their ammunition, right?

And I had craftily sent a fresh cruiser group to the SW corner of New Scotland for a naval bombardment of the airfield, which was evidently packed with aircraft. They bombard the airfield, the sprint back to New Edinburgh...what could go wrong?

The first part went well. There were no Jap surface forces and the airfield was dealt a serious smackdown. The combat report said 16 Zeroes destroyed (plus a number of Vals and Mavis). The intel report said 34 Zeroes destroyed on the ground . The airfield should be down for a few days (it doesn't take much to smooth out the dirt and remove the shredded taro plants).

Dutifully, the AI route finder then picked a route through the reefs down the East side of the island and ran into Fuso, Nagato, Aoba, Furutaka and escorts again...this time in daylight. Both forces must have been low on ammo. The Jap cruisers did most of the intial firing although Fuso and Nagato did participate. I don't think any torpedoes were exchanged. It was a pure daylight gunnery battle. The USN lost.

New Orleans and Mineapolis were wrecked and subsequently sunk. Aoba was moderately damaged. Lampson was hit by Jap carrier bombers and sunk. The remainder of the US force should be OK. USN SBD's did attack the Jap BB's, landing one non-penetrating bomb hit on Nagato and losing 2 planes. B-17's attacked New Ullapool, losing one after coming up against 24 Zeroes on CAP. I dont know where all these Zereos are coming from...probably the carriers.

USN Crusiers and HMAS Australia are one their way from Sydney. This is one Hell of a scrap.

An Aviation Regt arrived at New Edinburgh to bolster the ground suppot.




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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/5/2010 4:04:07 AM   
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RE: Maximum Pucker Factor - 6/5/2010 2:50:07 PM   
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Capitalism, baby.. - 6/5/2010 3:53:02 PM   
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Adm. Kimmel:...look, I don't care how you do it, but we need more SBD's. We have already stripped two carriers of their complement and they keep calling for more at Noum...err..I mean New Edinburgh. There is no greater need in the Pacific...Hell...there is no greater need ANYWHERE! JUST GET ME SOME GOD DAMNED SBD'S, GOD DAMNIT!

Aide: What about resources, sir?

Adm. Kimmel: Resources? What the Hell are you talking about son?

Aide: <looks into the anteroom where a lawyer sits awaiting to meet the Admiral. The aide whispers> m-o-n-e-y sir.

Adm. Kimmel: Oh, that. How about the Arizona memorial fund?

Aide: We used that already, sir, on the Kriegsmarine torpedo importation program. <still whispering>

Adm. Kimmel: <now whispering too> How about the money for the civilian contractors at Wake..you know..the whatchamacallit account?

Aide: Escrow account, sir?

Adm. Kimmel: Yes, that one. God knows they aren't going to be needing it very soon.

Aide: I'll look into it, sir.

Adm. Kimmel: Good. Get me some results, son. And try to scare up some F4F's too. And tell that lawyer to come in here when you leave.

Aide: Yes, sir! <exits..the lawyer enters the office and closes the door>

Lawyer: Good morning, Admiral. Thomas Thomas Dewey, esquire, at your service sir. <offers his hand>

Adm. Kimmel: Good morning, son. Did you say "Thomas Thomas"?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Yes, sir. You see, I already had a cousin named Thomas, Thomas Edmund. There would have been a big fight.

Adm. Kimmel: I see, well why don't you just leave out your middle name? It is quite confusing. I wasn't sure if you had some kind of impediment.

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: I did, sir.

Adm. Kimmel: But you just told me your middle name was "Thomas", did you not?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Yes, sir, that is my SECOND middle name, sir. My first middle name is George, sir, after the Admiral.

Adm. Kimmel: Ahh, splendid. How about I call you George, then?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Sorry, sir. That won't work. You see, EVERY male on my father's side has George as a middle name. My grandfather was acutally George George Dewey.

Adm. Kimmel: Ah, so he only had ONE middle name, then? How original.

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Not really, sir. his real middle name was Thomas. He just didn't use it. I am sort of named after him.

Adm. Kimmel: Why didn't he use Thomas, then. I'm not sure I understand. Where there a passel of Thomas's at the time?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: No, I think he just really liked George, sir.

Adm. Kimmel: <pinches nose> Well, what say I just call you "T. T."?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: That is my cat's name, sir.

Adm. Kimmel: Will the cat be on the legal, team?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: No sir, I wasn't contmeplating that sir.

Adm. Kimmel: Splendid! T. T. it is then. Now, what have you to help in my defence before the Pearl Harbor Commission, T. T.?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Ah, yes sir. <opens briefcase> I was thinking the issue of "House Rules" is quite a strong argument. I was lead to believe that no ships at Pearl could put to sea and no air units could be reconfigured.

Adm. Kimmel: Yes, that's true. Nothing East of Wake.

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Wonderful, sir. Now, in addition, I would like to see if there are any mitigating circumstances.

Adm. Kimmel: Mitigating circumstances?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Yes, sir. For example, were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Adm. Kimmel: Dropped on my head?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Yes sir, it's the whole brain-damaged defence.

Adm. Kimmel: How would I know if I had brain damage?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: That's the whole beauty of it, sir. Nobody really knows. Perhaps your mother would know, sir.

Adm. Kimmel: But I graduated the Naval Academy. What if one of the officers on the panel graduated lower than me in the class ranking and you make the argument that I have brain damage? How do you think that is going to work out?

T. T. Dewey, Esq.: Hmmm, excellent point sir. Let's move on to traumatic experiences. Did you suffer any traumatic childhood experiencs?

Adm. Kimmel: Hmmmm. Well, there was that time Uncle Thomas George "Stumpy" Dewey chopped off a couple of fingers in the combine....


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Quid pro quo - 6/5/2010 6:02:40 PM   
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A Chief Petty Officer reads his mail. The letter bears the letterhead of "Dewey, Cheatham & Howe, LLC". He reads on:

"My client porposes to exchange newly renovated, low milage, fully warranted, SB2U-(MM)Vindicator MM's for the used SBD's in VS-41. These fine aircraft now include enameled ash trays and drink holders for pilot and crew and brand new floor mats which can be customized with your squadron logo for group morale. That's not all, either! If you act now, we will include a 1/4 share in the master-planned Guantanamo Bay Golf and Casino Resort......"

The CPO strokes his chin pensively....

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Intelligence - 6/5/2010 6:17:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		*****Intelligence Briefing, Office of the CNO, Pentagon, D-ring, March 5, 1942*********

Aide: Admiral, I have some good news and some bad news.

Adm King: Good news first.

Aide: It looks like Soryu sunk after that torpedo hit off Guadalcanal back in mid February. We have lost all ELINT from her.

Adm King: Why, that's splendid! And the bad?

Aide: Well, sir, do you remember that report about the sinking of Akagi......

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Cumulative Figures - 6/5/2010 9:33:39 PM   
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A question - 6/5/2010 9:37:17 PM   
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For example, if the Dutch draw B-25C's, does it limit the USAAF?


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RE: A question - 6/5/2010 9:53:47 PM   
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Are the availability of the same airframe among Allied air forces of different nationalities interchangable?

For example, if the Dutch draw B-25C's, does it limit the USAAF?




Not interchangeable, but some Dutch planes are used by other nations, the B-25C is one of those I think.

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RE: Cumulative Figures - 6/6/2010 3:32:31 AM   
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The operational losses for the Zero seem high. Is this characteristic of AE or is it liberal use of LRCAP and long range missions?





Not characteristic in my experience. Notice, though, that those are "Ground" losses. Did you trash an airfield or overrun a base before a squadron could pull out?

EDIT: Today's Zero losses, I mean.

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RE: Intelligence - 6/6/2010 4:49:28 PM   
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*****Intelligence Briefing, Office of the CNO, Pentagon, D-ring, March 5, 1942*********

Aide: Admiral, I have some good news and some bad news.

Adm King: Good news first.

Aide: It looks like Soryu sunk after that torpedo hit off Guadalcanal back in mid February. We have lost all ELINT from her.

Adm King: Why, that's splendid! And the bad?

Aide: Well, sir, do you remember that report about the sinking of Akagi......


It appears that intelligence, much like statistics has a random and sizable +/- margin or error.

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RE: Intelligence - 6/6/2010 5:29:47 PM   
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4th March 1942
My Dear Winston,

My confidential secretary popped his head around the office door and said your PPS has hinted you might appreciate a CM from me so here the bally thing is. I know you get official reports from the Army and Navy wallahs, there’s even rumours of Crabs being out here but buggered if I’ve seen any apart from a few old crates lumbering over the port here causing no end of ruckus when the ack-ack opens fire on them. My afternoon tiffin has been spoiled more times than I can tell you because of it.

As you probably know we’ve been batting on something of a sticky wicket recently. Singers and Honkers are both gone and it looks like the yanks won’t last many more weeks in the Philippines. Our main concern here is what they’re going to do with all the land forces released from those campaigns. They even took poor Medan with an entire Division. The Dutch lost 17,000 troops although they assure that Soerabaya is heavily fortified and well supplied. We shall see.

Further to the east Lautem has an entire Brigade of British troops along with some stragglers from the Philippines. Ambon is heavily fortified and supplied too; we are hoping that they will act as a breakwater to the Japanese advance toward North West Australia.

Speaking of Australia the entire continent is desperately short of ship fuel, and planes come to that. Recently a large convoy docked at Perth which will help ease the supply situation there. Two more convoys are expected at Perth in the next fortnight which will mean we can resume the build up of a fleet base there and the building of an airfield complex at some place called Katherine. Darwin seems to be connected to the rest of the continent by a single track road that is crumbling under the weight of supplies being transported along it. Sea convoys seem to be the only realistic way of moving large amounts of supply in. We are currently repositioning some of out tankers to put them on the Cape Town/Perth route

The Warspite is at Darwin, she is the only capital unit we have left in the area, Prince of Wales and Repulse are currently at Melbourne awaiting room at Sydney Harbour, we shall soon have to turf some units out of there to make room. What on eart possessed you to offer Tom Thumb the plum job of Force Z? I know he did sterling work at the Admiralty, but really. I’m sorry to say I had to replace him but after that Force Z really got things done. I’m sure you heard about the invasion forces they massacred? Given the IJN’s losses of merchant ships it does make one wonder about how they will survive given their reliance on imports and hence their Merchant Marine.

Meanwhile looking out of my office across the harbour here I can see you have sent us some of the old ‘R’-Class battleships. They will stay here as a last resort against an IJA descent on Ceylon or India.

Thank you for the two first-class Australian Divisions. When I can be sure of their safety they will be transported to Australia to form the hardened tip of the spear that will be thrust into the soft under-belly of the Dutch East Indies.

Burma is a total write-off, we are currenly building up the defence of the India/Burma border at Imphal and Kohima. Kohima is a pleasant little hill-station, I remember playing tennis there with the district commissioner’s wife a few years ago. I hope they don’t bugger up the place too much.

That’s it for now Winston old chap.

I remain yours, etc, etc


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Last Stand at Malacanang - 6/6/2010 8:23:37 PM   
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Lt.: Col, that is the last of the ammo and the enemy come again!

Col. Joshua Chamberlain IV: <standing upright> Very well, Lt., we shall charge. FIX BAYONETS! I want the Left side of the line now in defilade to charge forward, pivoting to their right at this point! We shall show those Alabama boys a thing or two.

Soldier: <to another soldier as they fix bayonets> did he just say Alabama?

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Orkney Lesser Billed Grebe - 6/7/2010 12:46:08 AM   
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Aide: ....Sir, it's the Orkney SPCA again, they are complaining about oil fouling of the Orkney Lesser Billed Grebe. We are pretty sure it's the old R-class battleships. Metal fatigue or something.

Admiral of the Fleet Sir Dudley Pound: Bloody SPCA. They should have limited themselves to carriage horses. Just get rid of them.

Aide: <looks shocked> Get rid of them, sir? The SPCA, sir?

Admiral of the Fleet Sir Dudley Pound: Not a bad idea, really, but no, I mean the R class.

Aide: Sir, do you mean scuttle them, sir? Won't that release more oil?

Admiral of the Fleet Sir Dudley Pound: No, no, no, no, NO! I don't mean get rid of them LITERALLY. Don't be so bloody concrete, man. Send them somewhere. The Caribbean perhaps..hold on...the Eastern Fleet. They are always on about being short on everything and I am quite sure there shant be any SPCA gadflys in Ceylon. They can put them to use escorting the quite uesless Hermes about. <starts giggling to himself>

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RE: Orkney Lesser Billed Grebe - 6/7/2010 12:48:57 AM   
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RE: Orkney Lesser Billed Grebe - 6/7/2010 3:46:57 AM   
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