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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 3:11:44 PM   
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Maybe we should just scuttle the stupid thing.

I hate to give game advice in this AAR but ...
send any ship to meet S18 and re-fuel. Any AKL or Amc will do.



Unfortunately, the game engine doesn't allow any sub refuelling at sea, even from another sub or an AO.
However, they are tough, and it takes a long time to accumulate 100 system damage, so the dry sub's tow dinghy should get them to base in 22 days!

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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 3:14:35 PM   
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Maybe we should just scuttle the stupid thing.

I hate to give game advice in this AAR but ...
send any ship to meet S18 and re-fuel. Any AKL or Amc will do.




Eminently sensible and vastly superior to rowing the damn thing to Coal Harbour..except it won't work. You can't refuel subs from another ship, even an AO.

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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 3:37:30 PM   
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Maybe we should just scuttle the stupid thing.

I hate to give game advice in this AAR but ...
send any ship to meet S18 and re-fuel. Any AKL or Amc will do.




Eminently sensible and vastly superior to rowing the damn thing to Coal Harbour..except it won't work. You can't refuel subs from another ship, even an AO.

You are correct but you can have them meet at the nearest base or dot hex

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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 5:50:00 PM   
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I hate to give game advice in this AAR but ...


We only need all we can get

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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 7:28:31 PM   
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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 9:42:08 PM   
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I suggest investment in 1944 Kamikaze loss futures.
I like my steak at least 3/4" thick and medium-rare please.

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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 10:00:59 PM   
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(Side note; Did that leaflet say "poopcorn"? )

I would propose selling Atoll Derivates with possible leverage effects. The idea would be getting people to invest in Atoll estates on the cheap. They would finance some USN SeeBees to build it up to prime estate meaning you get leverage in your PI campaign. The investors would get their fully built prime estate back after the war, thereby getting their own Holiday island with an airfield and/or a pier. That's their leverage.

Do I even know what I'm talking about or even in which war? I'm so confused ...

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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 10:02:09 PM   
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I suggest investment in 1944 Kamikaze loss futures.
I like my steak at least 3/4" thick and medium-rare please.


Absolutely terrible idea. Yamashita will be working as a sushi chef in Long Beach by then. Your steak will be 1/3 inch blackened shoe leather with a fine diesel marinade.

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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 10:06:52 PM   
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No thanks Cap. Had enough of the blackened , vaguely animal tissue when I was in the military and at Scout camps with cooks who had never used a campfire.

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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 10:11:08 PM   
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RE: The Hood - 1/28/2013 11:10:52 PM   
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No thanks Cap. Had enough of the blackened , vaguely animal tissue when I was in the military and at Scout camps with cooks who had never used a campfire.


The solution to that are the Omaha Steaks marinated tri-tips. You can get 'em at Costco. There are about 3 inches thick. You could steak them to the ground about 1 km from a neutron bomb and they would be crispy on the outside but nice and red on the inside. Absorutery dericious. I once fed them to a bunch of Villanova football players and other jock types. The rule of thumb for caterers is 1/3rd pound of beef for women, 1/2 lb for men. Phhht. Not even close. Fortuantely I had about 20 lbs of pork loin or I would have had to use the Verey pistol.

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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 9:29:14 AM   
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That girl is sooo considerate of her father in law! Douglas simply adores her.

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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 2:53:40 PM   
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That girl is sooo considerate of her father in law! Douglas simply adores her.


Oh wait, you mean Arthur Jr? No, he passed in 1912(c). I think Jean means Arthur IV. On several occaisions in Manila he ate the dog's food so Jean is rightly concerned he might go for the poopcorn.


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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 2:58:53 PM   
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*******************March 12 (yeah, I know, this has been a long day) 1943(c)*****************

Mindanao: Maybe I-8 was damaged and motoring on the surface? She go boom.

Sub vs Sub: SS Seawolf attacking SS I-8 at 77,92 - near Cotabato

Japanese Ships
SS I-8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Seawolf



SS Seawolf launches 4 torpedoes at 1,000 yards



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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 3:12:46 PM   
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Cagayan and environs: Massively annoying Kuma comes in from the NW, somehow manages to avoid the picket ships and subs on the likely ingress routes and catches a troop convoy before they reach Cagayan. D'oh! I think this was 21st Marine Regt but I'm not sure. I toyed with the idea of sedning them back to Cotobato to unload but decided the port was too small. The taffy was only 80 miles from Cagayan at nightfall. They were specifically told not to stop to watch the flying fish. D'oh!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Cagayan at 79,88, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kuma

Allied Ships
SC-739, Shell hits 1
SC-749, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAP John C. Calhoun, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAP John Hart, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
652 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 60 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 55 (38 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Kuma proceeds to Cagayan. This part was anticipated. She meets Oakland. Seems like we could have finsihed her here. How could Oakland NOT have radar at this point? Did I miss an upgrade? Somebody sold the vacuum tubes? Gaak.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Cagayan at 79,89, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kuma, Shell hits 6

Allied Ships
CLAA Oakland, Shell hits 1
DD Lansdowne
DD Woodworth
DD Perkins
DD Thracian



Reduced visibility due to Rain with 35% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 35% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
CL Kuma engages CLAA Oakland at 1,000 yards
CL Kuma engages DD Woodworth at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
CL Kuma engages CLAA Oakland at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...


Then Kuma turns tail and runs into one of the pickets on her egress. She also somehow manages to avoid the attention of the 30 SBD's at Cagayan. Probably the rain.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Cebu at 80,87, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kuma

Allied Ships
AM Geelong, Shell hits 4, and is sunk



Reduced visibility due to Rain



Damned annoying. Spotted her on the way in, put up defenses and she STILL managed to slip through. JJ discovered Crisco.


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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 3:19:43 PM   
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Davao: JJ not ready to give up even though we managed a 4:1. We lost that one but sufffered mostly disablement. Have to wait a couple of days and attack again with the arty.

Ground combat at Davao (79,91)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 8596 troops, 153 guns, 30 vehicles, Assault Value = 387

Defending force 3782 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 89

Allied adjusted assault: 240

Japanese adjusted defense: 58

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
288 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Guns lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
858 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 118 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)


Assaulting units:
22nd Marine Regiment
132nd Infantry Regiment
161st Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
15th Garrison Unit /1
1st Engineer Co
Sasebo 8th SNLF /1
40th JNAF AF Unit
39th JNAF AF Unit
108th JAAF AF Bn


Little burg in the mountains north of Davao.

Ground combat at Malaybalay (80,90)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1078 troops, 0 guns, 156 vehicles, Assault Value = 83

Defending force 832 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 23

Allied adjusted assault: 62

Japanese adjusted defense: 37

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Assaulting units:
1st USMC Tank Battalion

Defending units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
16th Naval Guard Unit


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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 3:27:25 PM   
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San Jose: Mean spiritedness by JJ.

Morning Air attack on San Jose , at 78,84

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23



Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 4
P-39D Airacobra x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed



Aircraft Attacking:
19 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet


Now an air attack. Crevah baaaahstards hit Denver dockside. I tried to get the captain to go to readiness 2 d ago but she is so badly damaged he refused.

Morning Air attack on San Jose , at 78,84

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 19



Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Denver, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Port attack? Who knew San Jose even had a port?

Morning Air attack on San Jose , at 78,84

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 6
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7



Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed



Port hits 1



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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 3:34:01 PM   
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Namlea (near Ambon): JJ get frisky with our ship traffic headed back to Darwin. Maybe they are coming from Kendari? What is the range on an Oscar?


Morning Air attack on TF, near Namlea at 76,108

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP Fuller



Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo


Then they come back in the afternoon and pick off an "escort" of sorts. "Whippoorwill! Whippoorwill!" That is the sound they make, just in case you lived in the big city your whole life.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Namlea at 76,108

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AM Whippoorwill, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk




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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 3:49:05 PM   
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*****************Seaplane Hangar, Papaete, March 13, 1943(c)****************


Moana: Message from Admiral King.

FAM: Read it.

Moana: It decodes, "SINK THE %$^#&&* KUMA!"

FAM: Did he really say "%$^#&&*"?

Moana: Yes, sir.

FAM: You never know with telegraph messages but I think he is angry.

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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 3:53:10 PM   
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Manado: Numerous preparatory air attacks fizzle. We barely miss a 1:1. That 17th Garrison Unit has not run out of Emperor Brand Kool Aide yet. That's the entire 45th ID plus arty and armor.


Ground combat at Manado (75,99)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 8771 troops, 230 guns, 255 vehicles, Assault Value = 364

Defending force 6147 troops, 56 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 170

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 230

Japanese adjusted defense: 281

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
566 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
494 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 70 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Assaulting units:
145th Infantry Regiment
129th Infantry Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
17th Garrison Unit
3rd JNAF AF Unit
9th JNAF Coy
44th Field AA Battalion
68th JAAF AF Bn



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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 4:02:33 PM   
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I would say that turn was long on the attrition aspect of low on the victory-conquering thingy.

I blame the AE die roll troll.

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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 4:08:33 PM   
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Did Sister Graciella sit on a ferret?



Look, you are already on thin ice because you are a low-born immoral smoker and then you go and insult Sister Graciela because of her size. You are probably going to Hell for that but if you say 500 Hail Marys I will talk to Father Emmanoulides and see if he can do anything.

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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 4:14:18 PM   
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When our electronic medical record thingy breaks down at work they send us an email (powered by the same server network) to tell us it's not working.

Sort of like the postal service sending a letter.....


"We think your mail carrier may be throwing the mail in the creek. If you don't get this please call the USPS"

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RE: The Hood - 1/29/2013 4:24:38 PM   
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Tiny, lean, young (oh Hell she's cute, there I said it, you happy?) Mexican mom: <in Spanish> Aj, doctor, she no eat.

FAM: <I show her the growth curve, the baby looks just like mom, the dad's 5 4, I do the mid parental height estimate, discuss genetics, review population variation, I purposely do not mention the Mayans because she is from the Mexican upper class and it would piss her off...I am getting nowhere...finally, in desperation>

Look, Senora, when she grows up I'm sure she will be just as fat as you.

Tiny, lean, young (oh Hell she's cute, there I said it, you happy?) Mexican mom: <starts laughing hysterically>


It worked! But, never EVER try this on someone who is plump if you favor your nose being in the middle of your face.

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RE: The Hood - 1/30/2013 5:32:29 AM   
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Cagayan and environs: Massively annoying Kuma comes in from the NW, somehow manages to avoid the picket ships and subs on the likely ingress routes and catches a troop convoy before they reach Cagayan.


"Neutral observer here say BANZAI! BANZAI! BANZAI!

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RE: The Hood - 1/30/2013 5:35:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

Did Sister Graciella sit on a ferret?



Look, you are already on thin ice because you are a low-born immoral smoker and then you go and insult Sister Graciela because of her size. You are probably going to Hell for that but if you say 500 Hail Marys I will talk to Father Emmanoulides and see if he can do anything.


No! Send him to the cornfield! It's been a coon's age since you've sent someone to the cornfield(s)!

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Sink the *&#&%@^ Kuma - 1/30/2013 5:57:16 PM   
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Restrained admiration for a well-played attack by the Shinto Boys is permitted. Open rooting for the Little Yellow Baaahstards is a Cornfield offense.


That transport sunk by Kuma in fact carried troops of 11th Marine Def Bn. I would say about 1/3rd of Bn lost, 1/3rd of Bn disabled (aboard the other ship in the convoy) and 1/3rd ready to fight. 21st Marine got ashore at Cagayan safely.

It looks like 1 of the 3 regiments at Davao needs a rest. The other two can mount a regular attack today.

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RE: Sink the *&#&%@^ Kuma - 1/30/2013 6:33:15 PM   
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Restrained admiration for a well-played attack by the Shinto Boys is permitted


I say sir, well played. <polite applause>

Done.

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RE: The Hood - 1/30/2013 8:09:26 PM   
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After much tedious intelligence work, the likey route of Kuma is discovered.




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RE: The Hood - 1/30/2013 8:21:55 PM   
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So I'm at the hospital yesterday writing an electronic note at a thin client station by a window (by ra way, their system is so vastly superior to the POS we use in the office it's like QE II vs Pinta).

It's raining outside and I can see down to a smoking area outside the building. There is a little table with a sun shade but it's not doing it because the problem is not the sun. There are patients (all women) down their in their hospital gowns shivering in soggy blankets trying to take a couple of drags on their cigaretters. Most of them are holding their cigarettes with their IV board hands so they can hold the blanket with the other. It is REALLY pitiful.

It looks like a friggin' gulag. The boys at Club Gitmo are treated better. We have definitely gone off the deep end on persecution of smokers.


Just catching up on the AAR, saw this and can add another story:

So a guy I know is trying to give up smoking, and has started using the 'electronic cigarettes' - all the familiarity of smoking, including fake smoke, but none of the nasty stuff. He is really trying to quit but guess what, the Health & Safety crowd and Whitehall Mandarins have a policy for these -

he is only allowed to use them standing outside in the designated smoking shelter area - with all the real smokers

HM Government logic and bureacracy at it's best

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