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ORIGINAL: Doggie
Iran qnd Nazi Germany
This article is packed with factual errors.
The author is either a sloppy researcher and a bad journalist or he had a bad day.
1)The Mufti of Jerusalem did not raise three Waffen SS Muslim divisions (not one, in fact).
Around late 1942 Himmler was thrilled by the idea that muslim soldiers may be excellent soldiers, SS soldiers in particular, as their religion would make them fight without fear (11 virgins blehbleh u know the drill).
This did not materialize before 1943, though.
The unit that was formed in 1943 was then called "13. SS-Freiwilligen Gebirgs-Division Kroatien" (13th SS-Volunteer Mountain-Division Croatia), later renamed to 13. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS "Handschar" (and later referred to as "croatian No. 1", as shortcut). It was called "Croatia" in order not to piss off the Croatian Allies, who had some concerns reg. a pure Muslim Division and a unit designation carrying the words "Muslim" or "Muselmanische Division". The Croatian Ustasha regime regarded the Muslims in Croatia as full citizens, though, and agreed to the creation of the unit, incorporating Bosnian and Croation muslims, some (not so reliable) sources say there were volunteers from Iran, not sure. Only half of the division were volunteers, though, and ~3000 of the 25,000 men were Croatian christians. Most of the NCOs and all COs were Germans or of German descent, the grunts were Bosnian muslims. Some of the unit's officers received higher commendations (ie. Knight's Cross).
In 1943, the Mufti went to Sarajevo and Mostar, to 1) talk the local clerics into supporting the Nazis, and 2) to give his blessing to the new unit. The Germans raised the unit, not the Mufti. When the Muslims "just" heard that the unit may have to fight Russians, mass desertions occured, before that they were ordered to fight Yugoslavian partisans exclusively.
The author makes it sound as if the unit had been raised around 1941, at least before the invasion of Iran.
2) The "Anglo-Iranian" Oil Co. may have delivered refined products (fuel) before the war (the author states there were deliveries to Austria and Czech), but they surely didn't deliver fuel after WW2 broke out. Here, the author makes it sound as if there had been deliveries until 1941.
Quite interestingly, what the author doesn't mention is that quite some support came from US companies who delivered either material or supplies to Germany not only until December 1941, but some delivered even all through the war. Sweden delivered ores until a point (late 1944?) where the Germans didn't scare them anymore.
US examples would be IBM (through a shady daughter company-deal) delivering typewriters and mechanical calculators - to enhance the German war machine's paperwork -, Ford produced trucks for the German "Blitzkrieg", and - although the American management of the German Ford branch had been removed by the Nazis, the profit (or at least vital parts) went to Ford America, at least until 1944. Roosevelt knew about these commercial ties afaik, but I can't remember whether he protested and tried to do anything about it or not.
There are more errors, but I'm too lazy to type em.
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Huh??? Say what???
The Americans and the British built Iran's entire infrasteructure for them.
Actually, the Americans and GERMANS built the Trans-Iranian railway, a project influenced by the Russian Trans-Siberian railway project. The Brits built a road network, as it was needed for the refineries.
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Every port, every refinery, every school and every hospital was built by evil western capitalists.
Sorry, but that's utter bs.
The Schah (senior) started the industrialization and railroad construction in the country, and he sought to keep the balance between Russian interests and Western (British) interests. Western powers/companies didn't build the "entire" infrastructure.
If countries then pay either for influence or for an adequate environment for the oil industry, then that's a simple deal, not a present.
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Without British Petroleum, the Iranians would be living in mud huts and fighting sea gulls over dead fish.
Actually, they had the technology to pump the oil, but not to refine it, so they could have still sold the crude oil to other states, if the Brits would have closed the refinery.
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The evil capitalists have paid for every dime of Iranian oil, plus the costs of exploration, drilling, refining, storage, port facilities, and shipping.
But you might want to add that the Brits obtained a raw material (crude oil) for a ridiculously low amount, they then refined it, and the net profit went into their pockets. The Brits later offered the Saudis a 50/50 deal, but kept denying the same deal to Iran even until 1951, which made Iran nationalize the oil industry the same year.
Look up "BEIC" (British East Indian Company), Imperial Tobacco (not the one that was founded 1996), and the UK company that handled natural rubber production and trade. The Brits had their hands in territories and projects all over the world. If you do some research, you'll figure that their involvement was usually not a good (=beneficial) thing for the local people (who owned the respective territories), as the Brits were usually exploiting ppl and country, sometimes even ruthlessly (eg. Africa).
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Every sheckel
You're from Israel? 
Don't trust the propaganda. 
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the billions Iran rakes in from it's oil industry has been handed to them while they sat on their dead asses and whined about it.
That wasn't the case, as I outlined above.
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That doesn't mean I am pro-Iranian or anything, but facts are facts.
The Schah was rather a Nazi fan than anything else, but the invasion of Iran was against international laws, and even though it was a logical step commenced by the Allies, international habits are that aggressors have to pay compensations for damages or losses that occured, or are you suggesting that strong/winning parties can't be held responsible for their actions?
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